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dtsnms
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 Posted: 12/16/04 12:32 pm ::: Rolling Stone lists the 500 Greatest Songs of All Time |
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Pretty cool list, with some silly choices, big omissions, and great choices too!
Any list that doesn't start with Satisfaction at #1 I have to question to begin with.
Only 3 Bruce Springsteen songs?
Highest ranked "current" song is Hey Ya! at #180
Highest ranked rap song is The Message at #51
My biggest omission: Because the Night by Patti Smith. One of my all time favorites doesn't even make the Top 500?
Thought people might be interested!
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| Posted: 12/16/04 1:13 pm ::: |
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| Only one of the top 35 songs is less than 25 years old. Rolling Stone is as out of touch an irrelevant as its namesake band.
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| Posted: 12/16/04 1:25 pm ::: |
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I think the list is horrible.
Other than "Respect" I didn't think much of the choices.
Outkast has a song called, "Liberation" that is incredible. They put "Hey Ya" on the list instead.
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| Posted: 12/16/04 1:26 pm ::: |
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| So Pilight what should go in and what should come out?
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| Posted: 12/16/04 9:04 pm ::: |
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| pilight wrote: |
| Only one of the top 35 songs is less than 25 years old. Rolling Stone is as out of touch an irrelevant as its namesake band. |
Now, exactly what are you saying here Pilight? No riddles, and cryptic messages please, just spit it out, the bottom line and be sure and tell us what should be on the list.
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| Posted: 12/16/04 9:33 pm ::: |
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The flip side is just as bad. None of the greatest songs of "All Time" came before 1948? "In The Mood" and "This Land Is Your Land" get bumped for the Eagles and Archie Bell & the Drells?
As for new stuff, the Old 97's, ...And You Will Know Us By The Trail Of the Dead, Elastica, The Offspring, The Strokes, Mission of Burma, Fugazi, and many others could replace pap like "I Want To Know What Love Is". Heck, there are many Foreigner songs better than that. They only have one Beastie Boys song, Sabotage, and it's not even their best.
Anyway, the list was what I expected, a 60's homage with lip service paid to anything more recent. Beach Boys over Metallica 7-1? Get Real!.
Bottom line, any such list with more Pink Floyd than R.E.M. can't be taken seriously.
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| Posted: 12/16/04 9:49 pm ::: |
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| I believe guys tend to overlook the newer stuff so they look cool, but in 10 years revisionism will kick in and they'll see that what we have today is just as good. I haven't seen the list yet, but I will probably judge it based on how many Liz Phair, Oasis and 10,000 Maniacs songs they have in it...
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| Posted: 12/17/04 8:32 am ::: |
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Even within the 60's they didn't get it right. No "Sixty Minute Man", no "39-21-46", no "Duke of Earl", no "For Your Love", no "Devil With a Blue Dress On", nothing by The Tams?
In the 70's, there's no "YMCA", no "Love Comes In Spurts", no "Rockaway Beach", no "Ms. Grace", no "Pretty Vacant", nothing by the Runaways?
In the 80's, there's no "I Cant' Go For That", no "Rumors", no "King of Rock", no "Funkytown", no "Kids in America", no "That's When I Reach for My Revolver", no "Don't Believe the Hype", nothing by Duran Duran?
In the 90's there's no "The Score", no "Question", no "Verses from the Abstract", no "Life is Sweet", no "Self Esteem", no "Waterfalls", nothing by Pearl Jam?
And what about Jandek?
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| Posted: 12/26/04 2:57 am ::: |
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Cool -first time I've ever looked at this section -and thar's music threads.
Granted, I'm an old stick in the mud - I gave up on new music about two years after the advent of MTV - still believe the video age -which made what one looked like more importnat than what one sounded like -killed music - but I'd like to see that list.
Dang pilight, I've never heard 90 percent of the songs you claim the list is missing. Still, such lists are accurately useless.
If it contains any songs by Pink Floyd, Foriegner or th Eagles then it holds no credibility w/ me. Generic classic rock is so boring. Granted Floyd isn't really generic- Dark Side of the Moon having it's place - just not my thing i reckon.
A few songs I'd consider musts on such lists:
So What -Miles Davis
Crazy -Patsy Cline
I Fall to Pieces - Patsy Cline
Sir Duke -Stevie Wonder
Love Lies Bleeding -Elton John
I'm Sorry - Brenda Lee
Consant Craving -k.d. lang
Who's That Lady?- Isley Brothers
Don't be Cruel -Elvis Presley
Moody's Mood for Love - James Moody
Loving You - Minnie Riperton
Someone please tell me these were included.
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| Posted: 12/28/04 4:29 pm ::: |
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| ProfessorChaos06 wrote: |
A few songs I'd consider musts on such lists:
So What -Miles Davis
Crazy -Patsy Cline
I Fall to Pieces - Patsy Cline
Sir Duke -Stevie Wonder
Love Lies Bleeding -Elton John
I'm Sorry - Brenda Lee
Consant Craving -k.d. lang
Who's That Lady?- Isley Brothers
Don't be Cruel -Elvis Presley
Moody's Mood for Love - James Moody
Loving You - Minnie Riperton
Someone please tell me these were included. |
Here's the whole list:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/6596661/500songs
Elvis and both Patsy Clines are on, the rest not.
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| Posted: 12/28/04 4:49 pm ::: |
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That Lady is on too.
Pilight you commented on how old the songs are; I don't know when you consider the earliest they include is 1948, about 25% are from 1990 forward. That's not too bad a ratio.
Some of the ones you listed, like Duran Duran (!) I'd leave off my list too. But there is no excuse for King of Rock to be missing, I agree there.
More obvious omissions to the list for me:
American Pie and Because the Night as I said,
You Shook Me All Night Long,
Let's Dance (Bowie),
Turn Turn Turn,
Enjoy the Silence
Hurricane (Dylan)
Reasons (EW & F)
White Lines
Urgent
ABC
Never Can Say Goodbye
Funeral for a Friend/Love Lies Bleeding
Trampled Underfoot
Whatever Gets You Through the Night (Lennon)
Buffalo Soldier
Rain on the Scarecrow
ROCK in the USA
Perfect Kiss
Bombs Over Baghdad
Tear the Roof Off the Sucker
Let's Go Crazy
People Want to Be Free (Rascals)
Fall on Me (REM)
King of Rock (Run DMC)
Shoop
I Want to Take You Higher (Sly)
Evil Ways
Smooth
Jungleland (Springsteen)
Tonight's the Night (Rod Stewart)
I Will Follow (U2)
Beautiful Day
I Will Always Love You
Just to scratch the surface!
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| Posted: 12/28/04 5:28 pm ::: |
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| Posted: 12/28/04 5:31 pm ::: |
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Save it for Later Slovy!
THey were fun, but best of all time? See my note about Duran Duran.
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| Posted: 12/28/04 5:34 pm ::: |
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| dtsnms wrote: |
Save it for Later Slovy!
THey were fun, but best of all time? See my note about Duran Duran. |
How about Brian Ferry?
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| Posted: 12/28/04 5:37 pm ::: |
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Did Love is the Drug make the list?
You're really dating yourself, dude. The youngsters here are going to come back at us "old timers" I did put on my omissions list Depeche Mode and Patti Smith. Is that close enough?
I also forgot The Look of Love by ABC. Changed the way I looked at dance music, not just whicky whicky whicky stuff!
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| Posted: 12/28/04 5:39 pm ::: |
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| dtsnms wrote: |
Did Love is the Drug make the list?
You're really dating yourself, dude. The youngsters here are going to come back at us "old timers" I did put on my omissions list Depeche Mode and Patti Smith. Is that close enough?
I also forgot The Look of Love by ABC. Changed the way I looked at dance music, not just whicky whicky whicky stuff! |
I was thinking of "More Than This"
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| Posted: 12/28/04 5:40 pm ::: |
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| so-so. Not one of my all time faves.
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| Posted: 12/28/04 5:45 pm ::: |
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Dancing Queen only at #171? Pffffft.
Nice to see Sinead O'Connor's Nothing Compares 2 U there.
I never get overly worked up over these type of lists as naturally, they are very subjective. I do get irritated when they take themselves way too seriously though.
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| Posted: 12/28/04 5:45 pm ::: |
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| dtsnms wrote: |
| so-so. Not one of my all time faves. |
I don't really like the majority of the songs on the list. I would have put "Respect" at #1
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| Posted: 12/28/04 5:46 pm ::: |
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| Rolling Stone has always been the textbook definition of taking themselves way too seriously!
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| Posted: 12/28/04 5:57 pm ::: |
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| dtsnms wrote: |
| Rolling Stone has always been the textbook definition of taking themselves way too seriously! |
Yeah, "Like a Rolling Stone" was #1 and a song by The Rolling Stones is #2.
OK, OK, We get the message already! lol!
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| Posted: 12/28/04 11:58 pm ::: |
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Question, is this a list of best "English language" songs or we just don't exist?
Ok, you don't need to answer...I forgot we outside the US are aliens...
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| Posted: 12/29/04 12:01 am ::: |
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Wha...the first Creedence song appears at #155???
Or is it just too late now and I missed it?
And it's not even their best song!
As DeMya would probably say, "f&*# that list!!!"
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| Posted: 12/29/04 12:08 am ::: |
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A few other observations:
"Like a Prayer" is not Madonna's best song either. She has some great songs that didn't make the Hit Parade ("Love Tried to Welcome Me" and "Forbidden Love" are two good examples);
"One" could be U2's best song and it should be way up there, but I am totally attached to "With or Without You";
Where the heck is "Wonderwall"??? And "Coffee and TV"???
If I remember some more, I'll get back to ya lol...
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