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 Posted: 07/12/08 8:26 am ::: The refs must improve |
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| Four ladies sitting behind us that have been season ticket holders for many years did not come to the last game and tell us that they will not renew. They may not be the only ones. |
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| Posted: 07/12/08 8:55 am ::: |
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| A simple search of the boxscore would reveal that the ref is Kurt Walker. If you are going to write this type of letter, at least get the ref's name right. I am not getting into whether there is credibility to the other details, since I was unable to see the game. But if you are trying to get the league president's attention, the surest way to lose her attentiveness is not even know the name of the ref whose credibility you are attacking.
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| Posted: 07/12/08 9:33 am ::: |
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| Actually complaining about the officiating in and if itself will probably get you ignored.
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| Posted: 07/12/08 12:46 pm ::: |
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Unfortunately, Donna O's solution to bad officiating wasn't any better. People complained about the officials and now they just call the game tighter.
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Haha, it does seem like they're calling games tighter this season. Last year I never really had too much of an issue with the officiating, I mean there's always going to be a bad call here or there but they're humans like we are, they make mistakes. And sometimes the fans are wrong, I've seen on numerous occasions at games or on tv when the crowd has boo'd a called when it actually was the right call._________________ www.myspace.com/dtp_3
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| Posted: 07/12/08 2:27 pm ::: |
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| I've considered not renewing my season ticket over the officiating.
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| Posted: 07/12/08 2:56 pm ::: |
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As fed up as I have been with the officiating this year, and I've been fed up, it's not worth not renewing my tickets. The officiating could never make me consider not renewing_________________
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| Posted: 07/12/08 3:12 pm ::: |
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If the incompetence of the Liberty's front office doesn't make me give up my liberty tickets, nothing will.
I guess I can understand people giving up season tickets because of officiating -- barely.
How about giving up tickets because your team loses? Or because you have a player that commits more turnovers than assists? Or because your team, as a whole, leads the league in turnovers?
But officiating?
I'm sure people can point to a call that cost them the game, but the question I'd ask is, was it the correct call? (which, of course, engenders all sorts of questions and discussions of right and wrong and "if it's on one end of the court then it's on the other end...etc. etc.)
And how many times has a player cost a team the game, be it by a stupid foul, inopportune turnover, general chucking up of stupid shots or any other such thing?
It's all part the game.
I'd hope that the officiating might catch up to the game -- but considering current circumstances, I doubt it will. While more and more women play basketball (which in turn, have pushed the game further), there just isn't the volume of interest to becoming an official.
Why? broken record, here: money, time, disrespect...
Oh, and as for the 3-seconds, it's quite possible that the focus changed because 1) a team complained, 2) Dee and/or the observer noticed.
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| Posted: 07/12/08 3:57 pm ::: |
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I disagree 100%.
The players must improve their attitude. I still cannot stand seeing players yap about calls every damn time down court. It was never like that 7-8 years ago. For whatever reason players just think they have the right to complain about every call nowadays.
The game nowadays is not only playing ball, but the constant battle with the reffs.
I vote to give the reffs ultimate power and make a rule that the players cannot talk to the refss AT ALL during play. AT ALL.
Before the game, and after the game are the only times a player can talk/react to the reffs. If they do it during play its an automatic tech.
/rant over.
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| Posted: 07/12/08 4:06 pm ::: |
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I disagree 100%.
The players must improve their attitude. I still cannot stand seeing players yap about calls every damn time down court. It was never like that 7-8 years ago. For whatever reason players just think they have the right to complain about every call nowadays.
The game nowadays is not only playing ball, but the constant battle with the reffs.
I vote to give the reffs ultimate power and make a rule that the players cannot talk to the refss AT ALL during play. AT ALL.
Before the game, and after the game are the only times a player can talk/react to the reffs. If they do it during play its an automatic tech.
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A rule like this could cause the Detroit Shock to fold.
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| Posted: 07/12/08 4:48 pm ::: |
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Not every time a player is talking to a ref the player is complaining, the player could be saying hey watch this or that since you missed it last time or I've seen some players ask refs okay in this situation what am I supposed to do.
I do hate when players feel they're fouled on offensive end and instead of getting back stay and yack at refs and then their player is the one that scores on fastbreak or whatever, shut up and get back on defense...._________________ www.myspace.com/dtp_3
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| Posted: 07/12/08 4:58 pm ::: |
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I disagree 100%.
The players must improve their attitude. I still cannot stand seeing players yap about calls every damn time down court. It was never like that 7-8 years ago. For whatever reason players just think they have the right to complain about every call nowadays.
The game nowadays is not only playing ball, but the constant battle with the reffs.
I vote to give the reffs ultimate power and make a rule that the players cannot talk to the refss AT ALL during play.
Before the game, and after the game are the only times a player can talk/react to the reffs. If they do it during play its an automatic tech.
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That is taking it to the extreme, the last thing the refs need is ultimate power it already goes to their head. Yes I agree some players comeplain too much, but for some it's kind of their job.
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| Posted: 07/12/08 10:15 pm ::: |
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| JACKOWACKO wrote: |
I vote to give the reffs ultimate power and make a rule that the players cannot talk to the refss AT ALL during play. AT ALL.
Before the game, and after the game are the only times a player can talk/react to the reffs. If they do it during play its an automatic tech.
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That is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing that has ever been said on this board. During the course of any game, sometimes players need clarification about something. To completely disallow adults to ask a question during a basketball game is insane, and will probably cause more of our own players to decide to go overseas and to hell with this league. You can't risk that.
The players need to give them a little more slack. I will agree with that part. If you fouled, live with it. Don't bitch for bitching's sake. That makes your argument when you don't foul and there's a call even more silly. |
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| Posted: 07/12/08 10:44 pm ::: |
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| Posted: 07/18/08 6:37 pm ::: |
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| RedEqualsLuck wrote: |
It's all part the game.
I'd hope that the officiating might catch up to the game -- but considering current circumstances, I doubt it will. While more and more women play basketball (which in turn, have pushed the game further), there just isn't the volume of interest to becoming an official.
Why? broken record, here: money, time, disrespect...
Oh, and as for the 3-seconds, it's quite possible that the focus changed because 1) a team complained, 2) Dee and/or the observer noticed.
There is actually a process for feedback that's listened to -- coaches complain and send tape. It's reviewed. Sometimes they have a legit complaint. Lots of times they don't.... |
I agree that bad officiating is just part of the game.
Basketball is extremely hard to officiate because there is so much going on during any given moment. Refs are human, humans are inherently inconsistent.
I sometimes wonder if people think there are better refs out there just sitting around looking for work... they're certainly not in the NBA:
A ref considered to be one of the best in the league threw out Tim Duncan because he was apparently laughing from the bench...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu1Wz5JQEz8
And at least one was gambling on games...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvkKdXLwt0U&feature=related
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| Posted: 07/18/08 6:57 pm ::: |
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It's all part the game.
I'd hope that the officiating might catch up to the game -- but considering current circumstances, I doubt it will. While more and more women play basketball (which in turn, have pushed the game further), there just isn't the volume of interest to becoming an official.
Why? broken record, here: money, time, disrespect...
Oh, and as for the 3-seconds, it's quite possible that the focus changed because 1) a team complained, 2) Dee and/or the observer noticed.
There is actually a process for feedback that's listened to -- coaches complain and send tape. It's reviewed. Sometimes they have a legit complaint. Lots of times they don't.... |
I agree that bad officiating is just part of the game.
Basketball is extremely hard to officiate because there is so much going on during any given moment. Refs are human, humans are inherently inconsistent.
I sometimes wonder if people think there are better refs out there just sitting around looking for work... they're certainly not in the NBA:
A ref considered to be one of the best in the league threw out Tim Duncan because he was apparently laughing from the bench...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu1Wz5JQEz8
And at least one was gambling on games...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvkKdXLwt0U&feature=related
Bad officiating is something that fans and players should probably just learn to accept. |
I'm sure a lot of us have accepted that there are going to be bad calls, it's unavoidable. However, when a game is officiated as horribly as the Phoenix-Los Angeles game was yesterday, that's going miles beyond the line. Something needs to be done. When the league starts calling phantom fouls like the one on Penny Taylor last year (where she was called for a foul when she was nowhere near the incident), or the constant hacks Lauren Jackson/Diana Taurasi/etc suffer without calls, it's getting ridiculous.
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| Posted: 07/18/08 7:39 pm ::: |
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yea exactly, and I have a problem with the no calls as much as the called calls.
I'm sick of watching people being beaten up, and nothing being called, but the slightest touch (or no touch) is a foul...
Like last night with LA vs. Phx...the whistle was like, blowing at random times....like whenever they felt like it. And then the players don't know what they can or can't do.
At some point, it becomes unwatchable, so no..I don't blame those people.
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