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PostPosted: 07/07/08 4:24 am    ::: Cooper Comment Reply Reply with quote

This has got to be one of the worst comments I have heard during a televised game from a coach. Michael Cooper Sparks vs Merc

When asked by the announcer what needed to be done to avoid the 4th quater beating of the last 4 Sparks games, Cooper responded "get Derrick Fisher out of his fancy suit and bring him in." Fisher was doing the co announcing at the time.

Even as a joke this is just wrong. ITs the WNBA Cooper, not the NBA. We dont need their "help". Maybe if he coached instead of sitting there with his smug ass look they wouldnt slump in the fourth quater. What an interesting concept Exclamation



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PostPosted: 07/07/08 5:51 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

i think you are taking it a little too far with this one, if any former wnba player was doing guest announcing he would probably say they say thing again....chillllllll


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PostPosted: 07/07/08 6:09 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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i think you are taking it a little too far with this one, if any former wnba player was doing guest announcing he would probably say they say thing again....chillllllll


You really think that? I think Suemar is more on the mark with this one. I just can't see him saying that if Stacy Dales would just put down her microphone and get out on the court, the Sparks could get through the fourth quarter without falling apart.

Memo to Coop: Engage brain before putting mouth in gear. If that was meant to be funny, newsflash, it wasn't.



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PostPosted: 07/07/08 8:59 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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MH122 wrote:
i think you are taking it a little too far with this one, if any former wnba player was doing guest announcing he would probably say they say thing again....chillllllll


You really think that? I think Suemar is more on the mark with this one. I just can't see him saying that if Stacy Dales would just put down her microphone and get out on the court, the Sparks could get through the fourth quarter without falling apart.

Memo to Coop: Engage brain before putting mouth in gear. If that was meant to be funny, newsflash, it wasn't.


come on now, you really think he was serious? i'd understand if he said "i need derrick fisher out there to show them how real basketball is played". everybody is making a big deal out of nothin...if for example the sparks were low on players and rebecca lobo interviewed him and asked him what would he do and he said jokingly somethin like "you think you can suit up" i wouldn't take offense to it, because i've heard coaches make jokes like that before to former players in the broadcasting industry..if you are offended by this then you must also be offended by the fact that several old/current lakers practice with the sparks


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PostPosted: 07/07/08 9:29 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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everybody is making a big deal out of nothin

Yep.
Some people must just be a little sensitive since Fisher is a guard and we've heard a lot about LA's alleged guard issues.
So there's an NBA player sitting over there and coach jokes that he could use them on the floor. Geez, hang the guy for that, right? Just awful! Laughing



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PostPosted: 07/07/08 9:42 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think he was probably just kidding with Derek Fisher, if he was in hearing distance.

However, it's a women's league and had he thought about things like this and what the proper reply would be, he should have chosen a female player to mention.

I don't think he should have said it at all personally. It's insulting to his players.



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PostPosted: 07/07/08 10:26 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This is the kind of garbage you get when your league gives all of the NBA has-beens summer coaching jobs. Unbelievable!


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PostPosted: 07/07/08 10:34 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It would be easier to take this as a joke if he didn't already indicate how he feels about his point guards to the press. Man, enough already Coop. You have made your points. You are coaching two franchise players and a third player having an all-star season. Two players are Olympians and a third is rumored to be one. There's a lot of coaches around the league who would love to coach this roster even with the guard problems. The "woe-is-us" attitude is definitely not called for.

Separate from that, there's also a professionalism that is required from a coach. You've already called out your point guards once to the press. And, agree or disagree with that, I think a coach is within his or her professional rights to do so. But to do this on top of that crosses the line of professionalism in my opinion.


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PostPosted: 07/07/08 10:46 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I still say he's mad and bored.

Bored to be coaching in the WNBA.

Mad no one will hire him in the NBA.

Sucks to be him.



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PostPosted: 07/07/08 11:09 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I don't see what's the big deal, it was a joke, he was being sarcastic, get over it! People are so sensitive these days, can't say anything anymore.



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PostPosted: 07/07/08 11:09 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This (the angst) must be a woman thang. It wasn't any big deal. Obviously Coop respects the women's game or he wouldn't be in it.

PS - I wouldn't have made that comment regarding Stacey Dales, either. She was a good basketball player. I predict she'll be a great sports commentator - maybe a great TV personality in general.



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PostPosted: 07/07/08 11:16 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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This (the angst) must be a woman thang. It wasn't any big deal. Obviously Coop respects the women's game or he wouldn't be in it.

PS - I wouldn't have made that comment regarding Stacey Dales, either. She was a good basketball player. I predict she'll be a great sports commentator - maybe a great TV personality in general.


Hey watch it, I'm a woman and I don't see what the big deal is either. Wink

I understand what the OP is saying, but I honestly don't think Cooper meant much by it. And, judging by his gift of speaking before he thinks often, I really think it was harmless.

I do agree that he'd rather be in the NBA. Cooper get over it. This is your life. You should be happy anyone wants you coaching at all.



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PostPosted: 07/07/08 11:33 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think the point is that this comment would never have been said in reverse without a sense of mockery. If this was an NBA game and Becky Hammon was sitting on the sideline (or commentating) such a comment would be made to ridicule female players.

The way I read it, he was saying "These women can't handle this game. We need a man to show them how it's done." Just my take.


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PostPosted: 07/07/08 11:34 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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This (the angst) must be a woman thang. It wasn't any big deal. Obviously Coop respects the women's game or he wouldn't be in it.

PS - I wouldn't have made that comment regarding Stacey Dales, either. She was a good basketball player. I predict she'll be a great sports commentator - maybe a great TV personality in general.


Uh oh....



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PostPosted: 07/07/08 11:52 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It was a joke imo, I've heard it said before by NBA guys that certain NBA teams could use certain WNBA players over the years.. Please don't ask me who said it, and which players because I honestly can't remember right now. That's why I used the word "Certain".. Laughing



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PostPosted: 07/07/08 12:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

mabell3368 wrote:


Memo to Coop: Engage brain before putting mouth in gear. If that was meant to be funny, newsflash, it wasn't.


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I watched the game and heard his comment...I'm a guy, and even though I wouldn't have said that, I don't think he meant any harm by it. I think it was a comment that totally dodged the question more than anything, and he was trying to be funny at the same time.

Yes the Sparks have a point guard problem, but it hasn't been their only problem in their 4th quarter collapses. Guarding someone hard and not running the offense have been their biggest problems in the 4th quarter in my opinion.

They all stand around on offense in the 4th quarter and that's not just the point guard's fault - its all of their faults, which have resulted in turnovers. You have to move! Even teams that lack good point guards find ways to get their best players the ball when its crunch time.

I'd like to see Marie Ferdinand-Harris become more of a factor like she was against Seattle.

Bottom line is if they played defense the way they played it in the second Indiana game and the Seattle game, they would be 15-3 instead of 11-6. Nothing against Phoenix (1st home game), Washington, and New York, but the Sparks had double figure leads in all those games and should've put those games away at home.

That being said, they already have won more games this year than they did all of last year...so I'll chill.


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It was a dumb comment, but man, are you guys taking this way too seriously. Rolling Eyes



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PostPosted: 07/07/08 12:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If you think that comment was something, you ought to see Coop and Bill Laimbeer go after each other verbally. Coop has his own wierd sense of humor and he doesn't hold back where the Bad Boy is concerned. Laughing



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PostPosted: 07/07/08 1:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Sheesh Laughing Actually my main thought at the time was the fact that his comment, even if meant jokingly, was disrespectful of his players.
Avoiding the question with the joke? Maybe. Not having a good answer or a valid coaches solution to the "problem" of the 4th quater slump? Most likely. I think what hit me though was the fact that his comments sounded negative and its those types of comments about the play in the W that the league really doesnt need. Especially from the coach of what most people who do not follow the W percieve to be the "best" of the league.
It wasnt so much a male thing, although I do get tired of the NBA good ole boy give them a job thing.
About his guard issues. Poor poor pitiful Cooper. How many does he need? I have some great Reyes Point Blue cheese to go with his tons of whine.



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PostPosted: 07/07/08 1:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I still say he's mad and bored.

Bored to be coaching in the WNBA.

Mad no one will hire him in the NBA.

Sucks to be him.


Exactly. People have been saying this since the beginning of the season. His petulance is contributing to the Sparks' mediocre results. We know your guards suck, Coop, but what other team has three members of Team USA on it? Make it work or stop cashing your paychecks.

As for the comment, it sounded like a joke. I don't think he meant any harm by it.



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Overreact much anyone?



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I still say he's mad and bored.

Bored to be coaching in the WNBA.

Mad no one will hire him in the NBA.

Sucks to be him.


LA should have never rehired him. How can rehire someone who left the job during the season just to take an assistant coach job during the NBA offseason?

I'm glad he was a miserable failure as the Denver Nuggets head coach.


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People really need to let stuff go, like seriously. Only problem I have with him is that he left in the middle of the season (I think), that was whack but other than that it was a business decision I understand that.

Trying to go off on him for this little joke or whatever is bull too, just let it go people he didn't mean anything by it. It wasn't disrespectful to players and if it was start coming to play during the fourth quarters and that little problem will be solved.

He's the same person and coach he was before, live with it.



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People really need to let stuff go, like seriously. Only problem I have with him is that he left in the middle of the season (I think), that was whack but other than that it was a business decision I understand that.

Trying to go off on him for this little joke or whatever is bull too, just let it go people he didn't mean anything by it. It wasn't disrespectful to players and if it was start coming to play during the fourth quarters and that little problem will be solved.

He's the same person and coach he was before, live with it.


You feel the need to defend Mr. Cooper? How valiant!


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I find it interesting that in general most posters that think it's no big deal are men and those that think it's offensive are women. Huh. Now who would have thunk it.
Confused
and as always it's the time tested "don't you think you're overreacting" patronizing BS.

Think you could give it a damn rest, much?



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I find it interesting that in general most posters that think it's no big deal are men and those that think it's offensive are women. Huh. Now who would have thunk it.


I find it far more interesting that you know the genders of most of the posters in this thread.



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PostPosted: 07/07/08 5:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

As a female, I have no problem with the comment at all, but as an Asian American, I do take offense to someone having the handle "jap". To divide it neatly down a gender line would be interesting I think but hardly definitive.

We women have enough enemies as it is without having to invent ones like Michael Cooper.


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R U DUN wrote:
I find it interesting that in general most posters that think it's no big deal are men and those that think it's offensive are women. Huh. Now who would have thunk it.


I find it far more interesting that you know the genders of most of the posters in this thread.


Gee, been here a few years now, swapped PM's with some, some make comments like "I'm a guy" etc....I don't claim to know all, but many are very familiar. Or it could be that I really am a rocket scientist, and have extraordinary mental powers.
I find it interesting that you find it interesting.
But I have no clue why.



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Gee, been here a few years now, swapped PM's with some, some make comments like "I'm a guy" etc....I don't claim to know all, but many are very familiar. Or it could be that I really am a rocket scientist, and have extraordinary mental powers.
I find it interesting that you find it interesting.
But I have no clue why.


Or maybe you made a blanket statement you can't support.



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People really need to let stuff go, like seriously. Only problem I have with him is that he left in the middle of the season (I think), that was whack but other than that it was a business decision I understand that.
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Today is the 4 year anniversary of Cooper quitting on the Sparks while the team had a solid 11-6 record.
He left the team on July 7, 2004 to become an assistant coach with the Nuggets. A business decision? Why couldn't he finish the season since the NBA season doesn't start till October?


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PostPosted: 07/07/08 5:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I love the hypocrisy on this board. If a WNBA coach makes a comment about an NBA player, it is derogatory. If an NBA coach makes a comment about a WNBA player, that coach "gets it."
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DTP wrote:
People really need to let stuff go, like seriously. Only problem I have with him is that he left in the middle of the season (I think), that was whack but other than that it was a business decision I understand that.
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Today is the 4 year anniversary of Cooper quitting on the Sparks while the team had a solid 11-6 record.
He left the team on July 7, 2004 to become an assistant coach with the Nuggets. A business decision? Why couldn't he finish the season since the NBA season doesn't start till October?


I agree, I think it was wrong of him to leave in the middle of the season but whatever, I don't know the details of what was going on at the time, maybe he had to. But whenever you have a chance to move up in your career you take it, this is a job and at the end of the day you have to do what's best for you and your family.



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We women have enough enemies as it is without having to invent ones like Michael Cooper.


Hey! Whoa! Wait a minute here.
Invent ones?

I never implied an "enemy" action nor "invented" anything. I admit to maybe being overly sensitive to possibly sexist remarks. That comes from a long history (my personal experience) of when women question something or object they have frequently been dismissed with that type of comment.
I have an almost "flinch" reaction to such. In the same way that I react when something is flying toward my nose, since it's beeen broken five times. I commented on a pattern I saw. Did not point fingers at individuals, and for the record believe that, again, most posters here are very cool enlightened peeps. That's why it surprised me.
If I have personally offended anyone you have my humble apologies.

Aside from that, I kinda resent, my interpretation, that my viewpoint isn't respected. I did not ask that anyone agree with me. I made an observation. Respect me and I'll respect you.
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R U DUN wrote:
Gee, been here a few years now, swapped PM's with some, some make comments like "I'm a guy" etc....I don't claim to know all, but many are very familiar. Or it could be that I really am a rocket scientist, and have extraordinary mental powers.
I find it interesting that you find it interesting.
But I have no clue why.


Or maybe you made a blanket statement you can't support.


Read the thread from the beginning to where you made this comment. It supports itself.



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R U DUN wrote:
bballfan2005 wrote:
R U DUN wrote:
I find it interesting that in general most posters that think it's no big deal are men and those that think it's offensive are women. Huh. Now who would have thunk it.


I find it far more interesting that you know the genders of most of the posters in this thread.


Gee, been here a few years now, swapped PM's with some, some make comments like "I'm a guy" etc....I don't claim to know all, but many are very familiar. Or it could be that I really am a rocket scientist, and have extraordinary mental powers.
I find it interesting that you find it interesting.
But I have no clue why.


All due respect, R U, but from what *I* know of the posters in this thread, you're only batting .500 or so in proper identification, and that puts too many holes in the blanket.



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Read the thread from the beginning to where you made this comment. It supports itself.


No it doesn't.



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Read the thread from the beginning to where you made this comment. It supports itself.


No it doesn't.


I respectully disagree. Your view is just as valid. Can we agree that we don't agree and let it go, I'm not interested in trying to covert anyone to my view.?



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Queenie wrote:
R U DUN wrote:
bballfan2005 wrote:
R U DUN wrote:
I find it interesting that in general most posters that think it's no big deal are men and those that think it's offensive are women. Huh. Now who would have thunk it.


I find it far more interesting that you know the genders of most of the posters in this thread.


Gee, been here a few years now, swapped PM's with some, some make comments like "I'm a guy" etc....I don't claim to know all, but many are very familiar. Or it could be that I really am a rocket scientist, and have extraordinary mental powers.
I find it interesting that you find it interesting.
But I have no clue why.


All due respect, R U, but from what *I* know of the posters in this thread, you're only batting .500 or so in proper identification, and that puts too many holes in the blanket.


It's possible. I didn't count it out. Hard to miss the posts that contain I'm a guy or I'm a female, so I'm going to assume I'm okay on those. Some others I'm sure of too. Got nothing but respect for most posters here, including you Queenie. Don't want to start to start a big rucus.
On the other hand...oh nevermind.
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Read the thread from the beginning to where you made this comment. It supports itself.


No it doesn't.


Unrelated to topic.

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PostPosted: 07/07/08 6:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

sometimes ppl tend to look more into somethin that was said when they shouldn't...this is michael cooper we are talking about not the "zen master" phil jackson


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PostPosted: 07/07/08 6:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I find the comment hilarious because a week ago (after all the "we need a point guard" drama) I was thinking the Sparks will have to ask Fish to suit up.

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PostPosted: 07/07/08 6:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

R U DUN wrote:
Unrelated to topic.

That is one of the coolest avi's I've ever seen here.


Thanks! Orange][Krush made it for me a couple of weeks ago.

BTW, I meant no harm in our exchange. I don't think taking offense v. dismissal is as cut and dry as a gender difference, but I'll concede that gender can play a role in how Coop's statement is interpreted.



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PostPosted: 07/07/08 8:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

R U DUN wrote:
bballfan2005 wrote:
R U DUN wrote:
I find it interesting that in general most posters that think it's no big deal are men and those that think it's offensive are women. Huh. Now who would have thunk it.


I find it far more interesting that you know the genders of most of the posters in this thread.


Gee, been here a few years now, swapped PM's with some, some make comments like "I'm a guy" etc....I don't claim to know all, but many are very familiar. Or it could be that I really am a rocket scientist, and have extraordinary mental powers.
I find it interesting that you find it interesting.
But I have no clue why.


Hey, can you use the those extraordinary mental powers to help figure out why Brian Agler keeps signing posts and forwards! Cool


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PostPosted: 07/07/08 8:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

cooper is just plain a dope who can't keep his trap shut. i suppose the sharks felt like they didn't have much of a choice after the coaches they went thru after coop. - bibby and jellybean bryant... but regardless without LLL last year you can see where the team ended up. in the cellar...but it wasn't all bad since they got their hot little hands on Parker...it ain't the coach...and god knows they've gone thru nba players...

they are trying to recreate some of the lost magic by bringing back DeNasty...i can't think of another W coach who is so dayum whiney...

we can always hope he'll get mad and leave again. put potter in charge...



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PostPosted: 07/07/08 9:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

hooper1 wrote:
R U DUN wrote:
bballfan2005 wrote:
R U DUN wrote:
I find it interesting that in general most posters that think it's no big deal are men and those that think it's offensive are women. Huh. Now who would have thunk it.


I find it far more interesting that you know the genders of most of the posters in this thread.


Gee, been here a few years now, swapped PM's with some, some make comments like "I'm a guy" etc....I don't claim to know all, but many are very familiar. Or it could be that I really am a rocket scientist, and have extraordinary mental powers.
I find it interesting that you find it interesting.
But I have no clue why.


Hey, can you use the those extraordinary mental powers to help figure out why Brian Agler keeps signing posts and forwards! Cool


I have lent it my best effort, only to conclude that some mysteries are meant to remain unknowable.
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I'm not sure he even knows.

I keep having a vision of some spoiled child whose parents have said that he must sign a point guard. He gets all red in the face, drums his heels on the floor howling "NOOOO! You can't make me!". Not a pretty picture.



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PostPosted: 07/07/08 10:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

DTP wrote:
Futurama wrote:
DTP wrote:
People really need to let stuff go, like seriously. Only problem I have with him is that he left in the middle of the season (I think), that was whack but other than that it was a business decision I understand that.
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Today is the 4 year anniversary of Cooper quitting on the Sparks while the team had a solid 11-6 record.
He left the team on July 7, 2004 to become an assistant coach with the Nuggets. A business decision? Why couldn't he finish the season since the NBA season doesn't start till October?


I agree, I think it was wrong of him to leave in the middle of the season but whatever, I don't know the details of what was going on at the time, maybe he had to. But whenever you have a chance to move up in your career you take it, this is a job and at the end of the day you have to do what's best for you and your family.


Cooper quit the Sparks July 7, 2004 to join the Nuggets
Rudy T is hired by the Lakers July 10, 2004 to replace Phil Jax.

Sounds like he knew he didn't get the NBA job he wanted and cried and decided to punish the organization by qutting mid-season.


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PostPosted: 07/07/08 10:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Do you think maybe Cooper meant it as a joke because Fisher is a POINT GUARD..and the lack of point guard has really hurt them.



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PostPosted: 07/07/08 11:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

mercfan3 wrote:
Do you think maybe Cooper meant it as a joke because Fisher is a POINT GUARD..and the lack of point guard has really hurt them.

Actually I think that if Kobe had been sitting there instead of Derek, Cooper would have made exactly the same sort of comment.
Some people just like to invent reasons to feel offended.



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PostPosted: 07/07/08 11:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Luuuc wrote:
mercfan3 wrote:
Do you think maybe Cooper meant it as a joke because Fisher is a POINT GUARD..and the lack of point guard has really hurt them.

Actually I think that if Kobe had been sitting there instead of Derek, Cooper would have made exactly the same sort of comment.
Some people just like to invent reasons to feel offended.


Well listen, if Kobe wants to suit up and play on a WNBA team, I'd have a hard time believing he wouldn't help... Wink



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