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 Posted: 06/29/08 7:27 am ::: Wiggins impressing new crowd |
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| Posted: 06/29/08 9:07 pm ::: |
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| "She's doing things to be the face of the team," Zierden said. "Seimone is more laid-back, but Candice doesn't mind being in that role." |
She's reminding me of Coop.
But Harding is already ball hogging and the ball is not running through Wiggins enough IMO.
Just my opinion, I bet one or the other ends up having to go sooner or later.
He said they were more than one piece away from a championship which is why they went with Wiggins rather than a post player. After seeing how some are playing better than expected, I think they are in the hunt and hope he has that attitude, though of course I would want them to lose to San Antonio.  |
Boy, I am a STH for the Lynx, and I am not seeing that at all. I've LH share the ball more than she did last year. I disagree that one or the other has to go. Wiggins will be on this team as long she wants to be.
Regarding SA, does Hammon work the ball through Sophia enough? I would see Hammon dominating the ball more than LH. |
You obviously have seen them playing together more than me.
What I saw most recently yesterday was Harding getting to the basket but not looking for her teammates. Too often for my taste, as a Wiggins fan. I hope I am wrong but it looks like Harding is trying to be the star, which is what I was afraid of in the first place when this team was already clicking with Wiggins running it. I hope they are just making the adjustments and that you are correct.
As far as San Antonio, they play team ball.
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| Posted: 06/29/08 9:19 pm ::: |
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| "She's doing things to be the face of the team," Zierden said. "Seimone is more laid-back, but Candice doesn't mind being in that role." |
She's reminding me of Coop.
But Harding is already ball hogging and the ball is not running through Wiggins enough IMO.
Just my opinion, I bet one or the other ends up having to go sooner or later.
He said they were more than one piece away from a championship which is why they went with Wiggins rather than a post player. After seeing how some are playing better than expected, I think they are in the hunt and hope he has that attitude, though of course I would want them to lose to San Antonio. |
Boy, I am a STH for the Lynx, and I am not seeing that at all. I've LH share the ball more than she did last year. I disagree that one or the other has to go. Wiggins will be on this team as long she wants to be.
Regarding SA, does Hammon work the ball through Sophia enough? I would see Hammon dominating the ball more than LH. |
You obviously have seen them playing together more than me.
What I saw most recently yesterday was Harding getting to the basket but not looking for her teammates. Too often for my taste, as a Wiggins fan. I hope I am wrong but it looks like Harding is trying to be the star, which is what I was afraid of in the first place when this team was already clicking with Wiggins running it. I hope they are just making the adjustments and that you are correct.
As far as San Antonio, they play team ball. |
What you saw, in the game, was a team that was not used to playing with Seimone. I saw LH passing the ball around the perimeter as a point guard should. She does attack the basket at times, which a point guard does. I don't know what more a person should want. Hammon scores, why shouldn't Lindsey?
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| Posted: 06/29/08 9:37 pm ::: |
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| "She's doing things to be the face of the team," Zierden said. "Seimone is more laid-back, but Candice doesn't mind being in that role." |
She's reminding me of Coop.
But Harding is already ball hogging and the ball is not running through Wiggins enough IMO.
Just my opinion, I bet one or the other ends up having to go sooner or later.
He said they were more than one piece away from a championship which is why they went with Wiggins rather than a post player. After seeing how some are playing better than expected, I think they are in the hunt and hope he has that attitude, though of course I would want them to lose to San Antonio. |
Boy, I am a STH for the Lynx, and I am not seeing that at all. I've LH share the ball more than she did last year. I disagree that one or the other has to go. Wiggins will be on this team as long she wants to be.
Regarding SA, does Hammon work the ball through Sophia enough? I would see Hammon dominating the ball more than LH. |
You obviously have seen them playing together more than me.
What I saw most recently yesterday was Harding getting to the basket but not looking for her teammates. Too often for my taste, as a Wiggins fan. I hope I am wrong but it looks like Harding is trying to be the star, which is what I was afraid of in the first place when this team was already clicking with Wiggins running it. I hope they are just making the adjustments and that you are correct.
As far as San Antonio, they play team ball. |
It could be just that Harding isn't used to her teammates yet, so better to get a shot at the basket then turn it over..(which has been a Lynx problem as of late)
But I hope there's not situation there...cause a Harding, Candice, Seimone backcourt is one to rival the Miller, Taurasi, Pondexter backcourt..and that's saying something. (Still not as good though  )
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| Posted: 06/29/08 10:00 pm ::: |
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| Boy, I am a STH for the Lynx, and I am not seeing that at all. I've LH share the ball more than she did last year. I disagree that one or the other has to go. Wiggins will be on this team as long she wants to be. ... |
What I saw most recently yesterday was Harding getting to the basket but not looking for her teammates. Too often for my taste, as a Wiggins fan. I hope I am wrong but it looks like Harding is trying to be the star, which is what I was afraid of in the first place when this team was already clicking with Wiggins running it. I hope they are just making the adjustments and that you are correct. |
What you saw, in the game, was a team that was not used to playing with Seimone. I saw LH passing the ball around the perimeter as a point guard should. She does attack the basket at times, which a point guard does. I don't know what more a person should want. ... |
Have to say I'd describe LH play just as CB said. And that was from day 1 for me. She is not nor ever will be top dog on this team. We need her to run the offense, get it & keep it moving. Less mapping out her next drive to the basket and trying to be one of the lead scoring options & more getting her teammates involved. Would help too if she'd stop being in such a rush & slow down sometimes.
From watching this gm on TV, mannman the ball wasn't moving around near enough IMO. The people doing the gm even meantioned it. I don't know if it's plays being called from the bench or the fact that we seem to run a junk/free for all offense (= no offesive style) but when LH is in the gm I don't see many plays being run if any. We got too much 1 on 1 play going on the last few wks (not just LH) That's not going to serve this team well at all.
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| Posted: 06/29/08 10:26 pm ::: |
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| Boy, I am a STH for the Lynx, and I am not seeing that at all. I've LH share the ball more than she did last year. I disagree that one or the other has to go. Wiggins will be on this team as long she wants to be. ... |
What I saw most recently yesterday was Harding getting to the basket but not looking for her teammates. Too often for my taste, as a Wiggins fan. I hope I am wrong but it looks like Harding is trying to be the star, which is what I was afraid of in the first place when this team was already clicking with Wiggins running it. I hope they are just making the adjustments and that you are correct. |
What you saw, in the game, was a team that was not used to playing with Seimone. I saw LH passing the ball around the perimeter as a point guard should. She does attack the basket at times, which a point guard does. I don't know what more a person should want. ... |
Have to say I'd describe LH play just as CB said. And that was from day 1 for me. She is not nor ever will be top dog on this team. We need her to run the offense, get it & keep it moving. Less mapping out her next drive to the basket and trying to be one of the lead scoring options & more getting her teammates involved. Would help too if she'd stop being in such a rush & slow down sometimes.
From watching this gm on TV, mannman the ball wasn't moving around near enough IMO. The people doing the gm even meantioned it. I don't know if it's plays being called from the bench or the fact that we seem to run a junk/free for all offense (= no offesive style) but when LH is in the gm I don't see many plays being run if any. We got too much 1 on 1 play going on the last few wks (not just LH) That's not going to serve this team well at all. |
Re: "stop being in such a rush & slow down sometimes", I watched the same game you did, and saw LH dribble up the court in a controlled manner many times, doing what a point guard often does, and pass to her teammates, either on the perimeter or the entry pass to the post. Is your issue that she drives to the basket? Sometimes point guards do that. I have seen her dish off as well, during the drive. Maybe you are just looking for Lindsey to do things wrong?
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| Posted: 06/30/08 12:15 am ::: |
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| ... Is your issue that she drives to the basket? |
No my issue is what she does 70+% of the time when she drives to the basket. She's pretty predictable.
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| ...Maybe you are just looking for Lindsey to do things wrong? |
No that's too easy. I'm looking for her do more of what the team needs her to do. I 'd like to see our PGs work to set up others first & call their own numbers later. That goes for all the PGs.
This team too often of late, has been relying too much on 1 on 1 play. Ice of late & LH have been allowed to call their own numbers a bit more then I'd like. If the offense isn't moving it's too easy to do. I don't know if its stuff that Z is calling from the sideline or if he leaves some up to the PGs but the team is better when the players & the ball are moving. Combo coach & PG responsibility. That's what I'm looking for.
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| Posted: 06/30/08 7:19 am ::: |
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| ... Is your issue that she drives to the basket? |
No my issue is what she does 70+% of the time when she drives to the basket. She's pretty predictable.
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| ...Maybe you are just looking for Lindsey to do things wrong? |
No that's too easy. I'm looking for her do more of what the team needs her to do. I 'd like to see our PGs work to set up others first & call their own numbers later. That goes for all the PGs.
This team too often of late, has been relying too much on 1 on 1 play. Ice of late & LH have been allowed to call their own numbers a bit more then I'd like. If the offense isn't moving it's too easy to do. I don't know if its stuff that Z is calling from the sideline or if he leaves some up to the PGs but the team is better when the players & the ball are moving. Combo coach & PG responsibility. That's what I'm looking for. |
My dear friend, I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. While I don't necessarily disagree that the offense is not functioning as well as it did in the beginning of the season, it is the joined responsibility of players and coaches to adjust to the change in defenses. Frankly, I don't see the offense operate any worse with LH at PG, as with NQ or CW. We have won the last two of three. It does seem that you aren't taking into account the responsibility of the other players on the floor, though.
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mannman, the 4th quarter of the Detroit overtime loss is also included in what my opinion has been based on.
That Harding can drive is a good thing, but whether she is doing it for her own glory or because that was the option needed at the time is another.
A great point guard is looking to get her teammates involved first and foremost and if Wiggins isn't getting the touches she was, the Lynx have weakened one of their best weapons.
Let's see if Harding is humble and thinks "team win" first and not the spotlight for a team that was doing great without her to start with.
I do agree that an Augustus, Wiggins, Harding trio could be awesome, but the point guard controls the ball and has to make sure the machine is running strong.
Please don't try to make it a Hammon-Harding comparison. Becky is a star in this league and Harding wet behind the ears coming off injury but showing good signs IF she puts the team first and is not competing with Wiggins in an unhealthy way for the team.
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At this past SASS-Lynx game, I didn't see anything that would lead me to believe Harding was competing against Wiggins. I was actually pretty impressed with Harding, athough I didn't realize at the game that she shot 4-13. But she still lead the team with 5 assists. And Wiggins really turned it on in the 4th with some impressive drives to the basket_________________
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| Hey, I'm sure if Wiggins feels like she's not getting the ball enough, she'll speak up. Wiggins and Harding are purportedly old friends from back in the day, ya? And I'm sure it's continued with both being involved in USA basketball. |
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mannman, the 4th quarter of the Detroit overtime loss is also included in what my opinion has been based on.
That Harding can drive is a good thing, but whether she is doing it for her own glory or because that was the option needed at the time is another.
A great point guard is looking to get her teammates involved first and foremost and if Wiggins isn't getting the touches she was, the Lynx have weakened one of their best weapons.
Let's see if Harding is humble and thinks "team win" first and not the spotlight for a team that was doing great without her to start with.
I do agree that an Augustus, Wiggins, Harding trio could be awesome, but the point guard controls the ball and has to make sure the machine is running strong.
Please don't try to make it a Hammon-Harding comparison. Becky is a star in this league and Harding wet behind the ears coming off injury but showing good signs IF she puts the team first and is not competing with Wiggins in an unhealthy way for the team. |
Hey, if we are talking point guards, then Hammons is fair game in my book. The reality of the situation is that you do not know what LH's motivations are, or really any information that it is anything other than the best interests of her team.
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Hey, if we are talking point guards, then Hammons is fair game in my book. The reality of the situation is that you do not know what LH's motivations are, or really any information that it is anything other than the best interests of her team. |
I'll just say Hardings wanted out of Minnesota, anywhere but Minnesota.
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Hey, if we are talking point guards, then Hammons is fair game in my book. The reality of the situation is that you do not know what LH's motivations are, or really any information that it is anything other than the best interests of her team. |
I'll just say Hardings wanted out of Minnesota, anywhere but Minnesota. |
Hardly. Now you're just reaching. She expressed an interest to play in her hometown of Houston, which is understandable. Harding has been fairly involved in the MN community. |
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| Hardly. Now you're just reaching. She expressed an interest to play in her hometown of Houston, which is understandable. Harding has been fairly involved in the MN community. |
Yeah, but... there are contractual obligations there. Maybe she'll be somewhat relieved of those duties now that Candice is here.
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Hey, if we are talking point guards, then Hammons is fair game in my book. The reality of the situation is that you do not know what LH's motivations are, or really any information that it is anything other than the best interests of her team. |
I'll just say Hardings wanted out of Minnesota, anywhere but Minnesota. |
Hardly. Now you're just reaching. She expressed an interest to play in her hometown of Houston, which is understandable. Harding has been fairly involved in the MN community. |
kage, Harding wanted out of Minnesota before the season started for sure.
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Hey, if we are talking point guards, then Hammons is fair game in my book. The reality of the situation is that you do not know what LH's motivations are, or really any information that it is anything other than the best interests of her team. |
I'll just say Hardings wanted out of Minnesota, anywhere but Minnesota. |
Hardly. Now you're just reaching. She expressed an interest to play in her hometown of Houston, which is understandable. Harding has been fairly involved in the MN community. |
kage, Harding wanted out of Minnesota before the season started for sure. |
Why do you say this?
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Hey, if we are talking point guards, then Hammons is fair game in my book. The reality of the situation is that you do not know what LH's motivations are, or really any information that it is anything other than the best interests of her team. |
I'll just say Hardings wanted out of Minnesota, anywhere but Minnesota. |
Hardly. Now you're just reaching. She expressed an interest to play in her hometown of Houston, which is understandable. Harding has been fairly involved in the MN community. |
kage, Harding wanted out of Minnesota before the season started for sure. |
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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/5367071.html
I'm trying to find the aricle where Harding says she likes Minnesota but she loves Houston.
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Wanting to play for your hometown team and wanting to play anywhere but where you are right now are two different things.
Not sure if it makes a difference at this point.
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Wanting to play for your hometown team and wanting to play anywhere but where you are right now are two different things.
Not sure if it makes a difference at this point. |
Yes they sure are. Thanks for the article links but my info came later than when the trade was trying to be worked out.
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