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| Newsweek was just the latest to report the incident [s?]. It was in the Washington Post & the NY Times, I believe, some time ago.
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jammerbirdi
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| Posted: 05/16/05 1:51 pm ::: |
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The military sources changed their stories (or said they could not confirm the accuracy of the information that THEY had supplied) after they got heat from their higher ups in the Pentagon. We ARE talking about the military here. A WIDE RANGE of detainees who have been released from Gitmo and OTHER prisons with NO charges have told these same stories. The information being made public drew a shitstorm from Muslims and now Newsweek is being played, at times almost willingly it seems, as the evil media scapegoat who once again didn't get its facts straight. It's another field day for conservatives as the liberal media has egg on its face and blood on its hands and for what? For simply reporting what by all accounts (except the now official US government account) is the true and accurate story.
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| Posted: 05/16/05 2:11 pm ::: |
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| jammerbirdi wrote: |
| The military sources changed their stories (or said they could not confirm the accuracy of the information that THEY had supplied) after they got heat from their higher ups in the Pentagon. |
which is why newsweek appears to be expressing regret but not publishing a formal correction . . .
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sbjules
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| Posted: 05/16/05 2:57 pm ::: |
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Here's a link to a BBC story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4551149.stm
I've been reading stories for months in the Los Angeles Times about the lawyers for prisoners at Guatanamo talking about interrogation methods including abuse of the Koran and later the FBI memos that complained about the methods which included the abuse of the Koran. I did hear on the radio that other papers including the Washington Post & the New York Times had also reported on these methods. The nuance of the Newsweek story might be wrong, but I highly doubt it. There have been too many reports for too long & not just from released prisoners & their attorneys but from our own FBI.
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sambista
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this is the specific report in question:
"The report, in the issue dated May 9, said U.S. military investigators had found that American interrogators at the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, had flushed a copy of the Koran, the sacred Muslim text, down a toilet. A week later, when newspapers in Afghanistan and Pakistan picked up the item, it sparked anti-American demonstrations in the Afghan city of Jalalabad in which four protesters were killed and more than 60 injured. About a dozen more protesters were killed in the following days when the demonstrations spread across Afghanistan and to Pakistan and other countries."
i'm not sure i'd trust secondhand references - radio broadcasts and such. but if you're saying this koran "flushing" incident was reported in the new york times before may 9, can you please cite or point to a published story? because i can't find such a story in the archives.
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| Posted: 05/17/05 10:23 am ::: |
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Here's a link that tells some of the history of previous reports:
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=6058
and this is an excerpt from the Los Angeles story of this morning:
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Prisoner advocates and the media have been reporting for more than two years about the alleged abuse of prisoners. A new book by a former translator at the prison renews the accusations, including an account of how one female interrogator allegedly wiped her red-stained hands on a prisoner and told him it was her menstrual blood.
A lawyer who helps represent a dozen detainees at Guantanamo Bay said Monday that on two separate occasions two prisoners told her that guards and interrogators desecrated the Koran. She spoke on condition of anonymity because high-level talks were underway with the State Department to win the release of her clients.
The lawyer acknowledged that she did not see damaged copies of the Islamic holy book. But she said she did not believe the prisoners could have collaborated on the story, because they told her the stories in separate interviews and they were not housed together.
There was no way to independently verify the lawyer's statements.
Although the military has found "no credible allegations of willful Koran desecration," said Whitman, the Pentagon spokesman, it continues to investigate conditions at the prison that holds 520 detainees.
Newsweek's retraction dealt with "one detail" of its brief article: that the allegations had been corroborated by military investigators for the U.S. Southern Command, Whitaker said Monday night on PBS' "News Hour." He added that the magazine was "not in a position to know" whether the accusations about desecration of the Koran were true. |
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| Posted: 05/25/05 11:39 pm ::: |
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| jammerbirdi wrote: |
The military sources changed their stories (or said they could not confirm the accuracy of the information that THEY had supplied) after they got heat from their higher ups in the Pentagon. We ARE talking about the military here. A WIDE RANGE of detainees who have been released from Gitmo and OTHER prisons with NO charges have told these same stories. The information being made public drew a shitstorm from Muslims and now Newsweek is being played, at times almost willingly it seems, as the evil media scapegoat who once again didn't get its facts straight. It's another field day for conservatives as the liberal media has egg on its face and blood on its hands and for what? For simply reporting what by all accounts (except the now official US government account) is the true and accurate story.
Christ even Orwell didn't think it up like this. |
And the front page of the Washington Post tells the story.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/_________________ Every woman who has ever been presented with a career/sex quid pro quo in the entertainment industry should come forward and simply say, “Me, too.” - jammer The New York Times 10/10/17 |
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