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PostPosted: 03/15/07 12:20 pm    ::: GM 101....PART 1 Reply Reply with quote

Series of debates to ponder.....
PART 1....You are the GM of the WNBA Colorado Mogulettes. You love your team, (except the name), as you just lost in the WNBA Finals the prior year. A good mix of vets, youngsters, All-Stars and potentials. Unfortunately, to keep the team together, you have to max out the salary cap and can only have the minimum 11 players this coming year. There are 12 players currently under contract, of which 11 have been identified by staff to be the ones. In addition, you have draft picks #s 10, 17, 36.
Last year, you watched Boston's 3rd rounder, Sally Scrubbucket, blow out her knee in a preseason game and they were stuck with her, having to cut a good prospect.
In addition, 3 maybe 4 of your vets are going deep into European finals, and will be 7-10 days late for camp.
Q...Who and how many do you invite to camp?


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PostPosted: 03/15/07 12:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm all for bringing in bodies. Even if they don't make the roster you can see if they're worth calling in the event of an injury later in the year, or signing the next year if there's an opening, or seeing what their strengths and weaknesses are in the event they sign with another team.



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PostPosted: 03/15/07 2:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If Boston's GM had any sense, he would have cut Scrubbucket during training camp when she was arrested for driving under the influence, illegal posession of a firearm, and resisting arrest.

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PostPosted: 03/15/07 3:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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If Boston's GM had any sense, he would have cut Scrubbucket during training camp when she was arrested for driving under the influence, illegal posession of a firearm, and resisting arrest.

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Slovy...he said WNBA, not MNBA...



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PostPosted: 03/15/07 3:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Easy,

1) how many of those are guaranteed contracts?

2) buyout a contract - allow the player to join another organization for more playing time.

3) trade a player to a team that needs to meet the minimum salary cap requirement

4) no good players are available in this year's draft.... I trade all of those 3 picks, for 2nd round pick for next year (towards non-playoff team) to allow them get more picks.


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PostPosted: 03/15/07 3:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

if no trade is done, use the draft picks as practice players for your veterans --- release them early, to give them a chance for other teams to pick them up.

if a player gets hurt, you can use the injury exception - however, that goes into next year's salary cap.


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PostPosted: 03/15/07 3:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

gownbago wrote:
if no trade is done, use the draft picks as practice players for your veterans --- release them early, to give them a chance for other teams to pick them up.

if a player gets hurt, you can use the injury exception - however, that goes into next year's salary cap.


Is Detroit eligible for the Sparks Cap?


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PostPosted: 03/15/07 3:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The WNBA has no injury exception. Only when less than 10 players are available.
If you are happy with the existing 11 players, how can you risk bringing Nancy Notalent to camp. They won't make the team, and if they are hurt, last years #12 gets cut....cap casualty.


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PostPosted: 03/15/07 4:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

SFO wrote:
The WNBA has no injury exception. Only when less than 10 players are available.
If you are happy with the existing 11 players, how can you risk bringing Nancy Notalent to camp. They won't make the team, and if they are hurt, last years #12 gets cut....cap casualty.


SFO, this is where you normally would call SS of the MFO and make a trade... Smile

Since he isn't around, see what else you can get from DH and SASS.


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PostPosted: 03/15/07 4:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

If you are a WNBA junkie, the scenario that I wrote is quite a quandry, (whoa..big word). Many of you throw out such incredible crap about your GMs and what they should do. YOU don't have any responsibility. Here is a real decision your GM must make.
Do you take the risk?


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PostPosted: 03/15/07 4:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It is hard to evaluate without knowing the specific salaries. How many max players are there? How many players are still in their rookie deails (under the current CBA)?


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PostPosted: 03/15/07 4:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

You missed the point. The coaching staff already has their 11 players that they want returning from last year. That eats up all cap room. Sheri Stiff is the odd player out... in their opinion. You have 3 draft picks and 3-4 players showing up late for camp. What is your decision on invitees?


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PostPosted: 03/15/07 4:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

SFO wrote:
You missed the point. The coaching staff already has their 11 players that they want returning from last year. That eats up all cap room. Sheri Stiff is the odd player out... in their opinion. You have 3 draft picks and 3-4 players showing up late for camp. What is your decision on invitees?


No guaranteed contracts for the draftees shouldn't be a problem. Bring in the players at those positions where you will have late arrivals.

Are all 11 players under guaranteed contracts in your scenario, or are they just the 11 decided upon players?


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PostPosted: 03/15/07 4:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So your vote is to bring in all 3 draft picks that your coaches don't want, and you are willing to take the risk of injury to them at the expense of the 11 returning?


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PostPosted: 03/15/07 4:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Remember. If a rookie is injured, their contract is guaranteed until they are healthy.


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PostPosted: 03/15/07 4:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Trade all of your draft picks for next years picks (to teams willing to do so)

Hire players* for ten day contracts to have enough bodies until players return from overseas.

*Players who have W experience but are having trouble making a roster.


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PostPosted: 03/15/07 4:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ten day contracts are not permissible that early in season. cant be done..


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PostPosted: 03/15/07 4:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

No such thing as 10 day until July 3. Training camp contract or nothing.


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PostPosted: 03/15/07 4:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

SFO wrote:
No such thing as 10 day until July 3. Training camp contract or nothing.


Oh well.

How about unpaid "interns"?

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PostPosted: 03/15/07 4:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Some teams use men to play against. I do not. Guys trying to one the women leads to injuries.....i.e...Innis


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PostPosted: 03/15/07 4:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

SFO wrote:
So your vote is to bring in all 3 draft picks that your coaches don't want, and you are willing to take the risk of injury to them at the expense of the 11 returning?


Yes. The risk is minimal, and at most it's one player (the 11th player, deep on the bench). Since you're only planning on 11 anyway, additional injuries would make you eligible for the injury exception since it would put you under 10 players.



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PostPosted: 03/15/07 4:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

to meet this requirement - a trade has to be done.... only 11 will fit the cap....

this was connecticut situation a few years ago ---- the deal with why Sales couldn't earn the max (when she was holding out)

Conn had $72,000 left (rest of contracts were guaranteed)

Veteran minimum was $42,000
Rookie Salary was $30,000

Thats all they could do

even though they had two veterans that were good for the team at $42,000 each - they couldnt keep both veterans, as they would been over the camp.... so they cut one of the veterans, and kept the rookie.

Trade has to be done -- even the "rights to a player" I would trade the player to get the rights of certain people, maybe like Laura Macchi who wouldnt count against the cap.


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PostPosted: 03/15/07 4:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

gownbago wrote:
to meet this requirement - a trade has to be done.... only 11 will fit the cap....

this was connecticut situation a few years ago ---- the deal with why Sales couldn't earn the max (when she was holding out)

Conn had $72,000 left (rest of contracts were guaranteed)

Veteran minimum was $42,000
Rookie Salary was $30,000

Thats all they could do

even though they had two veterans that were good for the team at $42,000 each - they couldnt keep both veterans, as they would been over the camp.... so they cut one of the veterans, and kept the rookie.

Trade has to be done -- even the "rights to a player" I would trade the player to get the rights of certain people, maybe like Laura Macchi who wouldnt count against the cap.


Draft Picks don't count against the cap until the regular season starts!


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PostPosted: 03/15/07 4:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

What you are saying pilight, is that you would risk a former #12, who is the 11th player, who the coaches like, to bring in #36 to camp.


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PostPosted: 03/15/07 5:08 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

*ringing* Jamin's office


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PostPosted: 03/15/07 5:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

SFO wrote:
What you are saying pilight, is that you would risk a former #12, who is the 11th player, who the coaches like, to bring in #36 to camp.


I would, but I can understand why someone might not. The quality of the injured player is irrelevant, since they're going to be hurt to the point that they can't play anyway. It's a low risk proposition. Absent a preexisting condition the chances of an injury that serious occurring are pretty slim.



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PostPosted: 03/15/07 5:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

SFO wrote:
What you are saying pilight, is that you would risk a former #12, who is the 11th player, who the coaches like, to bring in #36 to camp.


Draft the rights to an international player who you know has zero intention of coming over this summer and who may develop into a player.


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PostPosted: 03/15/07 7:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

What will be intresting is who SFO will protect from his roster during expansion in 08...


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PostPosted: 03/15/07 8:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

loveofthegame wrote:
What will be intresting is who SFO will protect from his roster during expansion in 08...


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PostPosted: 03/15/07 10:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

SFO wrote:
Sheri Stiff is the odd player out...


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PostPosted: 03/16/07 11:50 am    ::: Re: GM 101....PART 1 Reply Reply with quote

SFO wrote:
Series of debates to ponder.....
PART 1....You are the GM of the WNBA Colorado Mogulettes. You love your team, (except the name), as you just lost in the WNBA Finals the prior year. A good mix of vets, youngsters, All-Stars and potentials. Unfortunately, to keep the team together, you have to max out the salary cap and can only have the minimum 11 players this coming year. There are 12 players currently under contract, of which 11 have been identified by staff to be the ones. In addition, you have draft picks #s 10, 17, 36.
Last year, you watched Boston's 3rd rounder, Sally Scrubbucket, blow out her knee in a preseason game and they were stuck with her, having to cut a good prospect.
In addition, 3 maybe 4 of your vets are going deep into European finals, and will be 7-10 days late for camp.
Q...Who and how many do you invite to camp?



Sometimes life happens. There are no guarentee's. You roll the dice with what you have and want. Sign a few players to training camp contracts that you want to look at as possibles to sign IF someone does not show or goes down with injury later in the season.

I say go with the 11 you want and have. Let the players, who are still playing in Europe, know that you have expectations of them. If they do not fulfill these expectations, there will be consequences (I see your SAT word and raise you).

Trade the draft picks to teams who you think are going to preform below expectations or who have a history of not meeting expectations, for future draft picks in years that you think you are going to want to use your draft picks. Let some other team develop the talent and then trade for the good ones several years down the road.

Do not forget to have a conversation with yourself about watching the salary cap in the future when signing the bench players.

Much to the ire (I reraise your SAT word) of my fellow fans here in CT, I have long said the Mike T is best at finding the talent but Bill L is best at stealing it. In a really preverse way I lean towards the stealing of talent. Let someone else deal with the ajustment issues, and the personal growth issues. Find the players who are dedicated to the sport and not the idea of being a player. Let someone else teach them the basics of playing at the professional level while you teach them the focus it takes to win.

And before my fellow Sun fans flay (care to continue to match vocabularies me?) with their STH party gift of an ice cream scoop from 2004, I have to remind people that my beloved Sun hasn't won the big one yet while Darth Bill has twice. Evil or Very Mad



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