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PostPosted: 04/27/06 12:19 pm    ::: WNBA All-Decade Team Reply Reply with quote

My WNBA All-Decade Team + Other Nominees (from WNBA.com List)
1st Team
G Cynthia Cooper (1)
G Sheryl Swoopes (3)
F Yolanda Griffith (4)
F Lauren Jackson (5)
C Lisa Leslie (2)

2nd Team
G Diana Taurasi (10)
G Katie Smith (7)
F Tina Thompson (8 )
F Chamique Holdsclaw (6)
C Natalie Williams (9)

(All-Time Rank)

Others (in order)
11. Tamika Catchings
12. Sue Bird
13. Jennifer Gillom
14. Dawn Staley
15. Swin Cash
16. Taj McWilliams-Frankiln
17. Nykesha Sales
18. Ticha Penichero
19. Janeth Arcain
20. Teresa Weatherspoon
21. DeLisha Milton-Jones
22. Andrea Stinson
23. Rebecca Lobo
24. Vickie Johnson
25. Shannon Johnson
26. Ruthie Bolton
27. Tamecka Dixon
28. Deanna Nolan
29. Mwadi Mabika
30. Becky Hammon

http://www.wnba.com/history/alldecade_nomineephotos.html


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PostPosted: 04/27/06 12:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Wow...lots of memories.

Here are my 10:

Cooper
Swoopes
Thompson
Leslie
T-Spoon
Arcain
Gillom
Staley
Griffith
Katie Smith

The young 'uns can wait until next time. I'm stickin' by Grandmama! Stinson got bumped by Griffith.



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PostPosted: 04/27/06 12:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

How I would rank the top 30:

Cooper
Swoopes
Leslie
L. Jackson
Katie Smith
Yolanda Griffith
Tina Thompson
Holdsclaw
Gillom
Catchings
Taurasi
N. Williams
Bird
Arcain
Milton-Jones
Staley
Sales
McWilliams-Frankiln
Stinson
Cash
Lobo
V. Johnson
S. Johnson
Hammon
Mabika
Bolton
Dixon


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PostPosted: 04/27/06 2:00 pm    ::: Re: WNBA All-Decade Team Reply Reply with quote

Ticha Penichiero*Cynthia Coooper*Sheryl Swoopes*Yolanda Griffith*Lisa Leslie

Teresa Weatherspoon*Katie Smith*Tina Thompson*Natalie Williams*Lauren Jackson


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PostPosted: 04/27/06 3:36 pm    ::: Re: WNBA All-Decade Team Reply Reply with quote

MT_Swoopes wrote:
Ticha Penichiero*Cynthia Coooper*Sheryl Swoopes*Yolanda Griffith*Lisa Leslie

Teresa Weatherspoon*Katie Smith*Tina Thompson*Natalie Williams*Lauren Jackson



I agree with yours but NATALIE WILLIAMS?


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PostPosted: 04/27/06 3:41 pm    ::: Re: WNBA All-Decade Team Reply Reply with quote

mikey87 wrote:
MT_Swoopes wrote:
Ticha Penichiero*Cynthia Coooper*Sheryl Swoopes*Yolanda Griffith*Lisa Leslie

Teresa Weatherspoon*Katie Smith*Tina Thompson*Natalie Williams*Lauren Jackson



I agree with yours but NATALIE WILLIAMS?


Absolutely Nat Williams. She is the all-time leading rebounder in women's professional basketball. That alone should do it.


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PostPosted: 04/27/06 3:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So here is an interesting point of interpretation: should ABL numbers matter to the WNBA all-decade team?

If not, Nat is out. If so, Nat is in.

I am trying to avoid making it a 1st and 2nd team thing as I don't feel okay with putting Tina on the second team of a list like this. So here is my ten.

1. Sheryl Swoopes
2. Lisa Leslie
3. Cynthia Cooper
4. Tina Thompson
5. Lauren Jackson
6. Yolanda Griffith
7. Chamique Holdsclaw
8. Natalie Williams
9. Katie Smith
10. Ticha Penichiero

If ABL numbers are not counted, I drop Nat Williams and add one of TSpoon, Sales, Taj, and Catchings, all very hard to keep off of this list. Ticha gets the nod largely in part because of her dominance in the assist column for so long combined with the fact that she won a championship.

Keesha being an All-Star for basically 8 years in a row is amazing. Catch's impact in half the decade is awesome, but just not enough yet. Taj has just been so consistently good aside from the pregnancy year, but just not good enough. TSpoon's "the shot", defense, assists, and early impact as well as name recognition is awesome, but while Ticha had a title to trump her lack of offense, TSpoon unfortunately doesn't.



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PostPosted: 04/27/06 4:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

You just can't leave Weatherspoon out. You. Just. Can't.
And she won't be left out. Bet the farm on that one.
I am with MT on every single pick.



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PostPosted: 04/27/06 4:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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You just can't leave Weatherspoon out. You. Just. Can't.
And she won't be left out. Bet the farm on that one.
I am with MT on every single pick.


No Claw?



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PostPosted: 04/27/06 4:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

BTW, if ABL numbers don't count, Spoon leapfrogs Smith and Williams, but Smith stays on the list at the bottom, Williams drops out.



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PostPosted: 04/27/06 4:34 pm    ::: Re: WNBA All-Decade Team Reply Reply with quote

MT_Swoopes wrote:
Ticha Penichiero*Cynthia Coooper*Sheryl Swoopes*Yolanda Griffith*Lisa Leslie

Teresa Weatherspoon*Katie Smith*Tina Thompson*Natalie Williams*Lauren Jackson


But no Holdsclaw? Top 4 in the history of the league in both scoring and rebounding?


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PostPosted: 04/27/06 4:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Alepp03 wrote:
BCBG25 wrote:
You just can't leave Weatherspoon out. You. Just. Can't.
And she won't be left out. Bet the farm on that one.
I am with MT on every single pick.


No Claw?


I overlooked Natalie Williams' name. Right on, Alepp. Coleslaw over Natalie. Sorry Charlie.



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PostPosted: 04/27/06 4:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I was gonna say, you better not overlook when I actually give big ups to the Claw! It doesn't happen often.


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PostPosted: 04/27/06 4:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Mine

Copper
Swoopes
Jackson
Griffith
Katie Smith
Thompson
Leslie
Taurasi
Weatherspoon
Staley

HONORABLE MENTION
McWilliams-Franklin
Catchings
Natalie Williams
Gillom
Penichiero

I picked Weatherspoon & Staley because they're well known names, As good as Catchings & Holdslcaw are, I don't think either deserve to be on the list. A tough decision overall. Whoever makes the final list well deserves it. Can you imagine the tough decision when the league reaches 50 and we'll have to chose the top 50 players of the past 50 years. YIKES!!


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PostPosted: 04/27/06 6:17 pm    ::: Re: WNBA All-Decade Team Reply Reply with quote

CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
But no Holdsclaw? Top 4 in the history of the league in both scoring and rebounding?


That's true. It's tough for me, 'cause in her prime Natalie Williams has had the best in the world moments. Hell, she's the best defensive rebounder I've ever seen. I'm not against selecting Mique.


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PostPosted: 04/27/06 6:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

only gripe is that lobo shouldnt be in the top 30...lobo??? she only played 2 years in effect...then was hurt 2 more and on the end of the bench for 2 more. the top 10 is fine Smile



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PostPosted: 04/27/06 6:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Trotting it out again

My 10th Anniversary All-WNBA team
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PostPosted: 04/27/06 6:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I agree with yours but NATALIE WILLIAMS?


Have you ever looked at he stats? Points, boards, blocks? She was one of the very few post players who could play a lick of defense and she could always seem to shut down Tina Thompson and Lisa Leslie on a regular basis. She would still be plaiing another 2-3 seasons if she didn't have all those acl injuries.



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PostPosted: 04/27/06 7:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

BCBG25 wrote:
You just can't leave Weatherspoon out. You. Just. Can't.
And she won't be left out. Bet the farm on that one.
I am with MT on every single pick.


Exclamation

Shouldn't even be a question. Ticha and Spoon make it over any other point guards on the list. It's the all-decade team. Move on and pick the next 8 players. I mean, come on...Spoon had the city on lock while she was here. That alone should be enough.

How can you not have the top 2 assist leaders on the list? Then look at rebounds (from the point guard position at that), steals, defense, minutes played, playoff performance and leadership and tell me you can seriously make a case for anyone above them.

Point guard is the easiest position on the list to pick.



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PostPosted: 04/27/06 7:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Are we doing this by position? Or is it just the 10 best players? Katie Smith makes it over Ticha Penicheiro, hands down.


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PostPosted: 04/27/06 7:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Even without going by positions, Ticha still makes my list.

My thing is, no point guard should make the all-decade team ahead of her or Spoon regardless. I'm not saying pick 2 at every position...just that those 2 are the only point guards I'd have on the all-decade team.

But if we could pick 12 instead of 10, I'd consider Dawn.



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PostPosted: 04/27/06 7:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Hmm...I wouldn't have two point guards on my list:

These 8 are my locks:
Cooper
Swoopes
Leslie
Jackson
Griffith
Thompson
Holdsclaw
Smith

Then I would have to consider Jen Gillom, Natalie Williams, and Nykesha Sales. Weatherspoon or Ticha? Hmm... I would have Teresa over Ticha, so that eliminates Penicheiro.


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PostPosted: 04/27/06 7:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Well you know who I'd give it to. Laughing

Plus the Liberty never had Yo to lean on. And I know, we could have...don't go there. Hurts my heart.



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PostPosted: 04/27/06 7:50 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

timber wrote:
Well you know who I'd give it to. Laughing

Plus the Liberty never had Yo to lean on. And I know, we could have...don't go there. Hurts my heart.


No, but you had VJ, Kym, and Sue early on...


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CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
timber wrote:
Well you know who I'd give it to. Laughing

Plus the Liberty never had Yo to lean on. And I know, we could have...don't go there. Hurts my heart.


No, but you had VJ, Kym, and Sue early on...


As much as I love them, ain't none of 'em Yo. Not one.

Now had we been blessed with Spoon, Kym and Sue in their younger years to run with VJ, we'd have been set with a couple of rings and then we could make a comparison.



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PostPosted: 04/27/06 8:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

My picks in no order:

Swoopes
Leslie
Jackson
Griffith
Cooper
Thompson
Smith
Holdsclaw
Penicheiro
Sales

I tried to refrain from picking younger players because I think that in order to be on an All-Decade team a player should have played at least half of the decade, in my opinion, although I made an exception for Jackson because, well, because I'm not completely stupid!! Very Happy


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PostPosted: 04/27/06 8:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Where's the love for Sales? I haven't seen her mentioned that much besides Cam and whoever said she's been an All-Star basically forever... She is CONSISTENT.


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ryan2528 wrote:
Where's the love for Sales? I haven't seen her mentioned that much besides Cam and whoever said she's been an All-Star basically forever... She is CONSISTENT.


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timber wrote:
Now had we been blessed with Spoon, Kym and Sue in their younger years to run with VJ, we'd have been set with a couple of rings and then we could make a comparison.


Don't pull that age stuff with me. Laughing We had Timms and Gillom. Gillom wasn't called Grandmama for the cookies she was baking.


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PostPosted: 04/27/06 8:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

mandih23 wrote:


I tried to refrain from picking younger players because I think that in order to be on an All-Decade team a player should have played at least half of the decade, in my opinion, although I made an exception for Jackson because, well, because I'm not completely stupid!! Very Happy


I agree with that. And I especially don't like it when people count Taurasi in, she's played two years and while she's carried her team, hasn't carried them far enough to even the playoffs. Not to take anything away from Taurasi, great player, but she's one of the ones I just don't think should be on the team.



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lilswin2003 wrote:
mandih23 wrote:


I tried to refrain from picking younger players because I think that in order to be on an All-Decade team a player should have played at least half of the decade, in my opinion, although I made an exception for Jackson because, well, because I'm not completely stupid!! Very Happy


I agree with that. And I especially don't like it when people count Taurasi in, she's played two years and while she's carried her team, hasn't carried them far enough to even the playoffs. Not to take anything away from Taurasi, great player, but she's one of the ones I just don't think should be on the team.


Right, although I am a fan of Taurasi, I think that she should not be on the All-Decade team, I can see her on the nominations of 30 but not on the actual team, not yet. Although even on the nominations I can think of others who I feel should have been there.


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although I made an exception for Jackson because, well, because I'm not completely stupid!! Very Happy


I think LJ's played five seasons (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005). That's half a decade right there! I'd say that she's more than qualified to be on that list. Wink



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bballfan2005 wrote:
mandih23 wrote:
although I made an exception for Jackson because, well, because I'm not completely stupid!! Very Happy


I think LJ's played five seasons (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005). That's half a decade right there! I'd say that she's more than qualified to be on that list. Wink


Ok,ok... maybe I am completely stupid- obviously I can't count!! lol Very Happy


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Anyone who votes for Bird & Taurasi needs to realize who started this league and why it's still around.

As for leaving Natalie Williams out, I'd take her over Holdsclaw just because Chamique isn't the all around player Nat was. Natalie was a dominant defensive post as well as a TEAM leader, not an individual "me, me, me" player like Mique'-depression problems or not.



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Natalie was a dominant defensive post as well as a TEAM leader, not an individual "me, me, me" player like Mique'-depression problems or not.



That would explain why Williams's teams did so much better in the playoffs than The Claw's. Rolling Eyes



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[quote="CamrnCrz1974"][quote="timber"]Now had we been blessed with Spoon, Kym and Sue in their younger years to run with VJ, we'd have been set with a couple of rings and then we could make a comparison.[/quote]

Don't pull that age stuff with me. :lol: We had Timms and Gillom. Gillom wasn't called Grandmama for the cookies she was baking.[/quote]



Didn't you also have Cheryl Miller and Nancy Lieberman for a season too?


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So here is a question:

Why is everyone so quick to include LJ over Catchings.

Over their careers, they have very similar scoring and rebounding numbers. LJ's team has had more success - two No. 1 draft picks and real coach will do that for you - but Catchings is much better at defense and has much better assist numbers.

Why is LJ rated so much higher than Catchings.


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Why is LJ rated so much higher than Catchings.



She's got a ring and an MVP.



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pilight wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
Why is LJ rated so much higher than Catchings.



She's got a ring and an MVP.


And couldn't beat out Jackie Stiles for rookie of the year. So what?


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PUmatty wrote:
pilight wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
Why is LJ rated so much higher than Catchings.



She's got a ring and an MVP.


And couldn't beat out Jackie Stiles for rookie of the year. So what?


Most people think MVP is a bigger deal than ROY.



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pilight wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
pilight wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
Why is LJ rated so much higher than Catchings.



She's got a ring and an MVP.


And couldn't beat out Jackie Stiles for rookie of the year. So what?


Most people think MVP is a bigger deal than ROY.


It's true, but it also points to consistency.

Like I have said earlier, this is a decade-long award, not a season award. Over the course of their careers, there is very little little difference in scoring (1 point) or rebounding (.1 rebound). Other facets of the game, there is a huge difference, but ones that pretty much even out.

Not saying LJ isn't deserving, but don't see her being obviously more deserving as plenty here are saying.


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Catchings VS. Jackson

The new AB/DT debate??? Wink

In terms of totals, Lauren has scored more points, played in more seasons, has an MVP, a championship, a significantly higher field goal percentage, especially as of late, more blocks, and more general success.

Tamika has higher rebounds per game, more assists, more steals, a DPOY award, a ROY award, more turnovers, and more 3 pointers.

I mean, I think there's at very least a really strong case for Lauren being better than Tamika, and it is definitely one I am buying into. Jackson has had a better career over 5 years than Tamika.


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PUmatty wrote:
pilight wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
pilight wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
Why is LJ rated so much higher than Catchings.



She's got a ring and an MVP.


And couldn't beat out Jackie Stiles for rookie of the year. So what?


Most people think MVP is a bigger deal than ROY.


It's true, but it also points to consistency.

Like I have said earlier, this is a decade-long award, not a season award. Over the course of their careers, there is very little little difference in scoring (1 point) or rebounding (.1 rebound). Other facets of the game, there is a huge difference, but ones that pretty much even out.

Not saying LJ isn't deserving, but don't see her being obviously more deserving as plenty here are saying.


LJ could have won the ROY, but she had a higher bar to leap coming in than did Stiles. Stiles was a college standout, but LJ was billed as the greatest player in the world...she was expected to come to the worst team in the league and make them a contender...not merely add 4 wins while averaging 15p/6r/2b per game. As far as consistency...what does winning the ROY have to do with consistency?


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PUmatty wrote:
pilight wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
Why is LJ rated so much higher than Catchings.



She's got a ring and an MVP.


And couldn't beat out Jackie Stiles for rookie of the year. So what?


Catch and LJ lost out to Stiles. So, that is a push.

I love Catch too. I have since she played Robin to Mique's Batman during her freshman year at UT. I just think it's really hard to put her over a player who is the main reason her team won a WNBA championship and has virtually been an MVP or MVP runner-up almost every season she has been in the league. She only finished behind two women who go by the names of Leslie and Swoopes over the past two years.


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This is some of the players in the WNBA favorite choices...Pretty good company

http://www.wnba.com/history/players_alldecade06.html


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cometsdrivefor5 wrote:
This is some of the players in the WNBA favorite choices...Pretty good company

http://www.wnba.com/history/players_alldecade06.html


Becky! No T-SPoon???? Shocked What up with that?


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dtsnms wrote:
cometsdrivefor5 wrote:
This is some of the players in the WNBA favorite choices...Pretty good company

http://www.wnba.com/history/players_alldecade06.html


Becky! No T-SPoon???? Shocked What up with that?


I know. She was pretty much on everyone else's list, but the consensus was clear. The big four and WNBA originals (Cooper, Leslie, Weatherspoon & Swoopes) are to be there. They left their mark over the last ten years (post and regular season).


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PostPosted: 04/28/06 12:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

barryi22 wrote:
Didn't you also have Cheryl Miller and Nancy Lieberman for a season too?


Cheryl was the coach. She wasn't playing.


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PostPosted: 04/28/06 12:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

MT_Swoopes wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
pilight wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
Why is LJ rated so much higher than Catchings.



She's got a ring and an MVP.


And couldn't beat out Jackie Stiles for rookie of the year. So what?


Catch and LJ lost out to Stiles. So, that is a push.

I love Catch too. I have since she played Robin to Mique's Batman during her freshman year at UT. I just think it's really hard to put her over a player who is the main reason her team won a WNBA championship and has virtually been an MVP or MVP runner-up almost every season she has been in the league. She only finished behind two women who go by the names of Leslie and Swoopes over the past two years.


Catch did not lose at to Stiles. She won ROY. She has been the main reason the Fever have won all the games they have. She has also virtually been an MVP or runner-up almost every season she has been been in the league. Seattle getting another #1 pick helped win their title.

Catch has done more to promote the league (on her own) than Jackson. Point, set and match to Tamika!



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PostPosted: 04/28/06 1:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ILuvCatch wrote:
Catch did not lose at to Stiles. She won ROY. She has been the main reason the Fever have won all the games they have. She has also virtually been an MVP or runner-up almost every season she has been been in the league. Seattle getting another #1 pick helped win their title.

Catch has done more to promote the league (on her own) than Jackson. Point, set and match to Tamika!


My fault. Tamika was injured during the year she was drafted. We'll just have to wait to see who's named to the team this summer. Then it will be point, set and match.


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