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Who got the better end of this trade?
Los Angeles
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Washington
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Helps both teams equally
13%
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Hurts both teams equally
2%
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Doesn't help or hurt either team
4%
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PostPosted: 03/01/06 7:28 pm    ::: Mystics-Sparks trade Reply Reply with quote

Mystics get: Nikki Teasley, #8 pick in the draft

Sparks get: Temeka Johnson, Murriel Page, #5 pick in the draft



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PostPosted: 03/01/06 9:03 pm    ::: Re: Mystics-Sparks trade Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Mystics get: Nikki Teasley, #8 pick in the draft

Sparks get: Temeka Johnson, Murriel Page, #5 pick in the draft


Once again, LA gets the better end of the deal Confused



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who would the sparks take at #5?



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I don't know that Nikki is worth all that. I hate to see Tameka go.



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PostPosted: 03/02/06 8:44 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Wasnt Teasley hurt quite a bit? I didnt want to to see TJ go either but if helps with chemistry issues then Im all for it. The Styx could have gotten more though. Freeing up the Page money should be a good thing.



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PostPosted: 03/02/06 8:52 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

i hate this trade...little bit was the future of the mystics and murriel is the heart!


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PostPosted: 03/02/06 8:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Am I the only one seeing Page as a core piece of this trade? Isn't she like Mique's best friend? If anything, they are taking her to make Mique happy, salary-wise, it doesn't make sense.



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PostPosted: 03/02/06 9:11 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Am I the only one seeing Page as a core piece of this trade? Isn't she like Mique's best friend? If anything, they are taking her to make Mique happy, salary-wise, it doesn't make sense.


I'm not sure about core piece or not, but I posted yesterday that I thought the fact that she and Mique are friends may be another benefit for the Sparks as well.


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PostPosted: 03/02/06 9:13 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

gopher5 wrote:
BCBG25 wrote:
Am I the only one seeing Page as a core piece of this trade? Isn't she like Mique's best friend? If anything, they are taking her to make Mique happy, salary-wise, it doesn't make sense.


I'm not sure about core piece or not, but I posted yesterday that I thought the fact that she and Mique are friends may be another benefit for the Sparks as well.


Is Holdsclaw such high-maintenance that she has to have her friends around her to play?


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PostPosted: 03/02/06 9:24 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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gopher5 wrote:
BCBG25 wrote:
Am I the only one seeing Page as a core piece of this trade? Isn't she like Mique's best friend? If anything, they are taking her to make Mique happy, salary-wise, it doesn't make sense.


I'm not sure about core piece or not, but I posted yesterday that I thought the fact that she and Mique are friends may be another benefit for the Sparks as well.


Is Holdsclaw such high-maintenance that she has to have her friends around her to play?


Don't think so, but it doesn't hurt. High maintenance is something that will make me think of DMJ and Beard in the future.



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PostPosted: 03/02/06 9:26 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

BCBG25 wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
gopher5 wrote:
BCBG25 wrote:
Am I the only one seeing Page as a core piece of this trade? Isn't she like Mique's best friend? If anything, they are taking her to make Mique happy, salary-wise, it doesn't make sense.


I'm not sure about core piece or not, but I posted yesterday that I thought the fact that she and Mique are friends may be another benefit for the Sparks as well.


Is Holdsclaw such high-maintenance that she has to have her friends around her to play?


Don't think so, but it doesn't hurt. High maintenance is something that will make me think of DMJ and Beard in the future.


Oh, me too, but we may be the only ones.


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PostPosted: 03/02/06 9:29 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Don't get caught up in the Personality thing. TonyL on ESPN is a real good pulse taker on the Stycs. He knows a lot and I trust him. He flat out said this trade was about ball, nothing else.



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PostPosted: 03/02/06 9:30 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Don't get caught up in the Personality thing. TonyL on ESPN is a real good pulse taker on the Stycs. He knows a lot and I trust him. He flat out said this trade was about ball, nothing else.


If it's about ball, it makes even less sense than if it wasn't, IMO.


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PostPosted: 03/02/06 9:38 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I agree with all the posts, just don't like repeating them.

As a SPARKSFAN, I love this trade for many reasons:
1) We still have a quality PG, TJ is much quicker than Nikki, and I feel her speed makes up for her size;
2) I can see Tamara James giving us some quality minutes;
3) Page can give us points off the bench
4) If the Claw likes her close; all the better.
5) If we are fortunate enought to draft LSU's Hoston in the 2nd round, ICEY could applaud us as LSU West!

Now, damnit, we need a coach. If Jelly Bean is it, so be it. I just want it settled.

Is there another candidate out there? Any comments?


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PostPosted: 03/02/06 10:41 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Is Holdsclaw such high-maintenance that she has to have her friends around her to play?[/quote]

Only an opion but yes. Remember Pat coming to Mystics as player consultant? Mique didnt make a move without consulting Pat while with the Styx. Then it was Page who helped her in Spain. Im not surprised about Page going to La but really didnt want to see it being a long time fan of Styx. Guess you get whatever your stars want. Example is the other half of the trade. TJ gone.



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Hey, it's not like Holdsclaw was happy with Page on her team a couple years ago. Making concessions to make the Claw happy is like masturbation, it feels good at first, but in the end, you're screwing yourself.

Again, remind me, what has Chamique Holdsclaw, the greatest player in the league, 4 times screwed out of MVP, scoring and board champion of the world, greatest Lady Vol ever accomplished in this league? A hell of a lot of nothing. Losing in the Eastern Conference Finals is the pinacle of her career.

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Alepp03 wrote:
Hey, it's not like Holdsclaw was happy with Page on her team a couple years ago. Making concessions to make the Claw happy is like masturbation, it feels good at first, but in the end, you're screwing yourself.

Again, remind me, what has Chamique Holdsclaw, the greatest player in the league, 4 times screwed out of MVP, scoring and board champion of the world, greatest Lady Vol ever accomplished in this league? A hell of a lot of nothing. Losing in the Eastern Conference Finals is the pinacle of her career.

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what an asinine post.


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sparkfan33 wrote:
Alepp03 wrote:
Hey, it's not like Holdsclaw was happy with Page on her team a couple years ago. Making concessions to make the Claw happy is like masturbation, it feels good at first, but in the end, you're screwing yourself.

Again, remind me, what has Chamique Holdsclaw, the greatest player in the league, 4 times screwed out of MVP, scoring and board champion of the world, greatest Lady Vol ever accomplished in this league? A hell of a lot of nothing. Losing in the Eastern Conference Finals is the pinacle of her career.

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what an asinine post.


If you say so.

I'm glad everything worked out for the Sparks so well last year.

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Alepp03 wrote:
Hey, it's not like Holdsclaw was happy with Page on her team a couple years ago. Making concessions to make the Claw happy is like masturbation, it feels good at first, but in the end, you're screwing yourself.

Again, remind me, what has Chamique Holdsclaw, the greatest player in the league, 4 times screwed out of MVP, scoring and board champion of the world, greatest Lady Vol ever accomplished in this league? A hell of a lot of nothing. Losing in the Eastern Conference Finals is the pinacle of her career.

STUD!


Add to that an Olympic medal for not playing, All Star selection and again, not playing. When Styx pulled up into the playoffs Mique wasnt there with the team. Injured or whatever. My Vicki, COCO, page, etc were the Styx.

I think shes very high maintenance. Yes, she wasnt happy with the team before but I dont know if Page was part of that issue with her. If your not happy within yourself your not happy. period. At least shes happy now and still getting whatever she wants!



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PostPosted: 03/02/06 11:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Not sure about Page or the meaningfulness of the draft pick swap, but I think Teasley, if healthy, is a better basketball player than Johnson. Better shooter and rebounder, can defend bigger players, and is one of the top passers in the league even if TJ is slightly better.

Perhaps TJ could push a fast break a little better than NT. Do the Mystics fast break much?

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Fast break???? With Richie at the helm, not that that Ive seen. Looked like players would try on occasion but seemed to stop barley in from of the top of key. I couldnt stand that they didnt go to the ^&*( basket with the ball. This got worse as season went on. Can Nikki shoot a free throw?



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Teasley a better shooter? She's shot 40% (barely) once in her WNBA career, she was under 40% for her college career as well. She is not a good shooter and never has been.



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Are you stats about free throws? That was the question but thatks for stats.



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the SPARKS without a doubt got the better end of this trade, JOHNSON is one of the best young PG'S in the game. I have no idea what the MYSTICS were thinking of trading her. I like TEASLEY but you give away a potential franchise player for an injury prone player I dont know about that . Shocked


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the SPARKS without a doubt got the better end of this trade, JOHNSON is one of the best young PG'S in the game. I have no idea what the MYSTICS were thinking of trading her. I like TEASLEY but you give away a potential franchise player for an injury prone player I dont know about that . Shocked


how many 5'3 franchise players you know of in the history of the league?



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Shocked Height does'nt matter . What matters is how much heart you play with and if you bring it every night, Not how tall you are it did'nt hurt her in college it's not going to hurt her game now. Very Happy


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Shocked Height does'nt matter . What matters is how much heart you play with and if you bring it every night, Not how tall you are it did'nt hurt her in college it's not going to hurt her game now. Very Happy


So then the answer would be.....none?



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how many 5'3 franchise players you know of in the history of the league?


The Sharks have 2 franchise players and they weren't looking for one.



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dtsnms wrote:
mikey87 wrote:
the SPARKS without a doubt got the better end of this trade, JOHNSON is one of the best young PG'S in the game. I have no idea what the MYSTICS were thinking of trading her. I like TEASLEY but you give away a potential franchise player for an injury prone player I dont know about that . Shocked


how many 5'3 franchise players you know of in the history of the league?


Did TJ grow in offseason Laughing Laughing
I dont believe the height is a big factor (pardon the expression). Yes, it helps to be taller but other skills have to be there. Yes, TJ will be a good Pg of the future. However, one of the main skills is ball distribution and quick thinking and time management. Debbie Black comes to mind.

No, I dont see TJ as a franchise player. Maybe the Styx should forget about the franchise player thing and just find a group of players with talent and can play TOGETHER.

I know...soap box again. Sorry. It must me martini time.



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Teasley a better shooter? She's shot 40% (barely) once in her WNBA career, she was under 40% for her college career as well. She is not a good shooter and never has been.


Teasley is one of the odd WNBA players who shoots a slightly higher career percentage on 3pt shots (40%) than on all field goals. She was injured and had a down year last year on 3's, but nevertheless has the 9th best career 3pt shooting % in WNBA history.

She shoots fouls at 82%.

From the perimeter, Teasley is an excellent shooter and passer. With her height, she is more advantaged as an entry passer in the half court offense than TJ. TJ is a better distributor in transition offense. A team is in half court offense much more than it is in transition.


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I can't believe this trade has happened. Like another poster stated, the Mystics just gave the Sparks the keys to their house and now the Sparks are taking the furniture. Toler plays Hargove for a fool, AGAIN!

I hope Milton-Jones can salvage this trade for her team's sake by being the glue she has been to the team's she's been apart of.


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If the trade was Nikki for T.J. straight up - even with Page thrown in (saves salary for DC) I'd like it better.

Having to also swap picks was a rip-off.

The fifth pick could be Sophia.


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Having to also swap picks was a rip-off.

The fifth pick could be Sophia.


Uhuh.

Washington sacrificed a chance to get some depth in order to get a PG who may not even be better than the one they exchanged and is more expensive (though they did offload Page's salary).

We should thank Hargrove though - her bizarre moves help keep message boards ticking over.
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Keegan wrote:
Uhuh.


Uhuh is right. It's possible that either Currie or Young will fall to 5. The difference between that and the 8 pick is more than significant.

I liked Hargrove's quote in WaPo. She said "this draft is very deep from 5 to 8." I couldn't contain laughter when I read that quote.

All I can think is that maybe they have someone in mind, some sleeper they really want, whom they would have taken at 5 and whom they think will still be around at 8.


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If the trade was Nikki for T.J. straight up - even with Page thrown in (saves salary for DC) I'd like it better.

Having to also swap picks was a rip-off.

The fifth pick could be Sophia.


See, I think Sophia could go as high as 2.

Logic: Minnesota Drafts Cappie
Phoenix needs posts(Yes I believe Young can play the four)
Charlotte needs wing so they take Seimone.
San Antonio needs more guard depth since Marie is done: Draft Currie.


Thats where im sitting right now on the top four. Call me crazy, but thats the logic. Not to take away from Seimone because she IS the best player in this draft. But unfortunately, the two teams at the top are well-stocked of the wings.



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Addition by subtraction. It was time for Muriel Page to go. Buh bye. From a PR perspective, this was genius since publically, the Styx can claim she added value to the trade. In actual fact, they were saved from cutting a "no longer contributing on the floor/locker room poison/earning way too much salary" from the team.

B-ball style for Beard and TJ was a clash. Both create with the ball. TJ likes to feed the ball in scoring position. Beard likes to get the ball off a screen with room to create her own score. MISMATCH. It's awesome that TJ had such a great frosh year that the Styx were able to get another talented point guard in trade. And I think Teasley

5th vs 8th pick? There aren't any dominating centers in this year's draft and that's the only missing ingredient from this team. This pick will not improve this team dramatically and neither pick was going to help the Styx trade for a center.

True that LA was handed the TV spots featuring LL and TJ, mutt and jeff. But that's all.

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how many 5'3 franchise players you know of in the history of the league?


I can only think of one - Kim Perrot. I think she was instrumental in their championships, only because I remember cussing her out a few times during the Finals.

Debbie Black was the shortest (an inch shorter than TJ), and was somewhat successful in the league. I think she managed to work the height difference to her advantage, but that her age was what held her back the most.

Ultimately, I think there will be a few small players that can make their mark on the league.


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kim perrot was 5-5. debbie black, by her own reckoning, is 5 feet 2-1/2.


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sebibb wrote:
kim perrot was 5-5. debbie black, by her own reckoning, is 5 feet 2-1/2.


You're right. I originally mentioned that Kim was taller than TJ, but after my quick edit, forgot to put that back.

My point was that smaller players can still make a difference as long as they can play. Arm them with a strong set of skills, especially defensive skills, and they can sometimes negate the height difference.

Of course, the fact that I'm only 5'1 has nothing to do with my defense of others vertically challenged Very Happy


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Wasn't there alot of talk awhile back concerning the chemistrry of the Mystics? Most people thought that a shake up of the team was in order to straighten out the locker room antics. Could this trade be the answer to the Mystic's problems? There was alot of talk about who the instigators were. I don't beleive it to be Page, but with Page being the original and oldest Mystic maybe there was a tug of war for the leadership role. Also, If the point gard wasn't distributing the ball well (like ignoring other players on the court), then she wasn't the right person for that role. I don't know whether Teasley is the answer, only time will tell. (Sorry if this has already be discussed, but just returned from vacation and heard the news)


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MoBeard wrote:
Wasn't there alot of talk awhile back concerning the chemistrry of the Mystics? Most people thought that a shake up of the team was in order to straighten out the locker room antics. Could this trade be the answer to the Mystic's problems? There was alot of talk about who the instigators were. I don't beleive it to be Page, but with Page being the original and oldest Mystic maybe there was a tug of war for the leadership role. Also, If the point gard wasn't distributing the ball well (like ignoring other players on the court), then she wasn't the right person for that role. I don't know whether Teasley is the answer, only time will tell. (Sorry if this has already be discussed, but just returned from vacation and heard the news)


There is no way anyone will convince me that the player who was second in the league in assists "wasn't distributing the ball well."


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There is no way anyone will convince me that the player who was second in the league in assists "wasn't distributing the ball well."


Also, she had a very decent A/TO ratio. People on the VeSPN board mentioned how this was purely basketball-related and then they lost me. I think her biggest challenge will be to balance touches to Mique and Leslie and eliminate the need that Mique has to have the ball in her hands so much. Put her in a position to score instead of creating her own shot. She will have more *and* better options in LA. Among LLL, Mabika and Mique, TJ has all the scorers to lead the league in assists this season.
Also, what I would like to point out is the feat of doing so well as a rookie and under Richie. People like to call Houston PG hell, but I don't think it gets much better with Richie. The thing is he had a steady veteran to run the point for NY, who could take his shit and dish it back. He's the most confusing coach I've seen, so for TJ to have that kind of success in her first year speaks volumes about how she carries herself on the court, where it matters.



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Here's a thought, maybe Teasley wanted out of LA. She's held out (briefly) for more money the last two years, it could be that she's gotten tired of not getting what she wants.



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pilight wrote:
Here's a thought, maybe Teasley wanted out of LA. She's held out (briefly) for more money the last two years, it could be that she's gotten tired of not getting what she wants.


Quite possibly. If so, PT did a good job of accomodating her request while keeping LA competitive. Now if only she would hire a coach for Christ's sakes...



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PostPosted: 03/05/06 8:11 pm    ::: Re: Mystics-Sparks Trade Reply Reply with quote

BCBG25 wrote:
He's the most confusing coach I've seen, so for TJ to have that kind of success in her first year speaks volumes about how she carries herself on the court, where it matters.


I thought someone mentioned that she was rolling her eyes at him, at some point. But, I guess she was mature enough to try to do what he was asking anyways, and pass to the folks she was (supposedly) fueding with.

Maybe Richie was the fool in the situation, and her teammates were the real problem. But, I think the rookie is going to be gotten rid of before you drop a coach and star players (Alana, DMJ) to accomodate her.

I think if they felt it was best to replace her, they did well to get Teasley. How many decent, experienced PGs are there hanging around that they could get?


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