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pilight

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Posted: 03/01/06 7:28 pm ::: Mystics-Sparks trade |
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Mystics get: Nikki Teasley, #8 pick in the draft
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Posted: 03/01/06 9:05 pm ::: |
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| who would the sparks take at #5?
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Posted: 03/02/06 12:13 am ::: Mystified |
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| I don't know that Nikki is worth all that. I hate to see Tameka go.
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suemar

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Posted: 03/02/06 8:44 am ::: |
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| Wasnt Teasley hurt quite a bit? I didnt want to to see TJ go either but if helps with chemistry issues then Im all for it. The Styx could have gotten more though. Freeing up the Page money should be a good thing.
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Posted: 03/02/06 8:52 am ::: |
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| i hate this trade...little bit was the future of the mystics and murriel is the heart!
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BCBG25

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Posted: 03/02/06 8:58 am ::: |
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| Am I the only one seeing Page as a core piece of this trade? Isn't she like Mique's best friend? If anything, they are taking her to make Mique happy, salary-wise, it doesn't make sense.
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Posted: 03/02/06 9:11 am ::: |
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| Am I the only one seeing Page as a core piece of this trade? Isn't she like Mique's best friend? If anything, they are taking her to make Mique happy, salary-wise, it doesn't make sense. |
I'm not sure about core piece or not, but I posted yesterday that I thought the fact that she and Mique are friends may be another benefit for the Sparks as well.
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PUmatty

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Posted: 03/02/06 9:13 am ::: |
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| BCBG25 wrote: |
| Am I the only one seeing Page as a core piece of this trade? Isn't she like Mique's best friend? If anything, they are taking her to make Mique happy, salary-wise, it doesn't make sense. |
I'm not sure about core piece or not, but I posted yesterday that I thought the fact that she and Mique are friends may be another benefit for the Sparks as well. |
Is Holdsclaw such high-maintenance that she has to have her friends around her to play?
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BCBG25

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Posted: 03/02/06 9:24 am ::: |
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| gopher5 wrote: |
| BCBG25 wrote: |
| Am I the only one seeing Page as a core piece of this trade? Isn't she like Mique's best friend? If anything, they are taking her to make Mique happy, salary-wise, it doesn't make sense. |
I'm not sure about core piece or not, but I posted yesterday that I thought the fact that she and Mique are friends may be another benefit for the Sparks as well. |
Is Holdsclaw such high-maintenance that she has to have her friends around her to play? |
Don't think so, but it doesn't hurt. High maintenance is something that will make me think of DMJ and Beard in the future.
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PUmatty

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Posted: 03/02/06 9:26 am ::: |
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| BCBG25 wrote: |
| PUmatty wrote: |
| gopher5 wrote: |
| BCBG25 wrote: |
| Am I the only one seeing Page as a core piece of this trade? Isn't she like Mique's best friend? If anything, they are taking her to make Mique happy, salary-wise, it doesn't make sense. |
I'm not sure about core piece or not, but I posted yesterday that I thought the fact that she and Mique are friends may be another benefit for the Sparks as well. |
Is Holdsclaw such high-maintenance that she has to have her friends around her to play? |
Don't think so, but it doesn't hurt. High maintenance is something that will make me think of DMJ and Beard in the future. |
Oh, me too, but we may be the only ones.
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Posted: 03/02/06 9:29 am ::: |
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| Don't get caught up in the Personality thing. TonyL on ESPN is a real good pulse taker on the Stycs. He knows a lot and I trust him. He flat out said this trade was about ball, nothing else.
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PUmatty

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Posted: 03/02/06 9:30 am ::: |
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| Don't get caught up in the Personality thing. TonyL on ESPN is a real good pulse taker on the Stycs. He knows a lot and I trust him. He flat out said this trade was about ball, nothing else. |
If it's about ball, it makes even less sense than if it wasn't, IMO.
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Posted: 03/02/06 9:38 am ::: |
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I agree with all the posts, just don't like repeating them.
As a SPARKSFAN, I love this trade for many reasons:
1) We still have a quality PG, TJ is much quicker than Nikki, and I feel her speed makes up for her size;
2) I can see Tamara James giving us some quality minutes;
3) Page can give us points off the bench
4) If the Claw likes her close; all the better.
5) If we are fortunate enought to draft LSU's Hoston in the 2nd round, ICEY could applaud us as LSU West!
Now, damnit, we need a coach. If Jelly Bean is it, so be it. I just want it settled.
Is there another candidate out there? Any comments?
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suemar

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Posted: 03/02/06 10:41 am ::: |
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Is Holdsclaw such high-maintenance that she has to have her friends around her to play?[/quote]
Only an opion but yes. Remember Pat coming to Mystics as player consultant? Mique didnt make a move without consulting Pat while with the Styx. Then it was Page who helped her in Spain. Im not surprised about Page going to La but really didnt want to see it being a long time fan of Styx. Guess you get whatever your stars want. Example is the other half of the trade. TJ gone.
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Posted: 03/02/06 10:43 am ::: |
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Hey, it's not like Holdsclaw was happy with Page on her team a couple years ago. Making concessions to make the Claw happy is like masturbation, it feels good at first, but in the end, you're screwing yourself.
Again, remind me, what has Chamique Holdsclaw, the greatest player in the league, 4 times screwed out of MVP, scoring and board champion of the world, greatest Lady Vol ever accomplished in this league? A hell of a lot of nothing. Losing in the Eastern Conference Finals is the pinacle of her career.
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Posted: 03/02/06 10:45 am ::: |
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Hey, it's not like Holdsclaw was happy with Page on her team a couple years ago. Making concessions to make the Claw happy is like masturbation, it feels good at first, but in the end, you're screwing yourself.
Again, remind me, what has Chamique Holdsclaw, the greatest player in the league, 4 times screwed out of MVP, scoring and board champion of the world, greatest Lady Vol ever accomplished in this league? A hell of a lot of nothing. Losing in the Eastern Conference Finals is the pinacle of her career.
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what an asinine post.
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Posted: 03/02/06 10:47 am ::: |
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| Alepp03 wrote: |
Hey, it's not like Holdsclaw was happy with Page on her team a couple years ago. Making concessions to make the Claw happy is like masturbation, it feels good at first, but in the end, you're screwing yourself.
Again, remind me, what has Chamique Holdsclaw, the greatest player in the league, 4 times screwed out of MVP, scoring and board champion of the world, greatest Lady Vol ever accomplished in this league? A hell of a lot of nothing. Losing in the Eastern Conference Finals is the pinacle of her career.
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what an asinine post. |
If you say so.
I'm glad everything worked out for the Sparks so well last year.
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suemar

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Posted: 03/02/06 10:49 am ::: |
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| Alepp03 wrote: |
Hey, it's not like Holdsclaw was happy with Page on her team a couple years ago. Making concessions to make the Claw happy is like masturbation, it feels good at first, but in the end, you're screwing yourself.
Again, remind me, what has Chamique Holdsclaw, the greatest player in the league, 4 times screwed out of MVP, scoring and board champion of the world, greatest Lady Vol ever accomplished in this league? A hell of a lot of nothing. Losing in the Eastern Conference Finals is the pinacle of her career.
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Add to that an Olympic medal for not playing, All Star selection and again, not playing. When Styx pulled up into the playoffs Mique wasnt there with the team. Injured or whatever. My Vicki, COCO, page, etc were the Styx.
I think shes very high maintenance. Yes, she wasnt happy with the team before but I dont know if Page was part of that issue with her. If your not happy within yourself your not happy. period. At least shes happy now and still getting whatever she wants!
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Posted: 03/02/06 11:49 am ::: |
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Not sure about Page or the meaningfulness of the draft pick swap, but I think Teasley, if healthy, is a better basketball player than Johnson. Better shooter and rebounder, can defend bigger players, and is one of the top passers in the league even if TJ is slightly better.
Perhaps TJ could push a fast break a little better than NT. Do the Mystics fast break much?
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Posted: 03/02/06 11:56 am ::: |
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| Fast break???? With Richie at the helm, not that that Ive seen. Looked like players would try on occasion but seemed to stop barley in from of the top of key. I couldnt stand that they didnt go to the ^&*( basket with the ball. This got worse as season went on. Can Nikki shoot a free throw?
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Posted: 03/02/06 12:51 pm ::: |
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Teasley a better shooter? She's shot 40% (barely) once in her WNBA career, she was under 40% for her college career as well. She is not a good shooter and never has been._________________ If you want a revolution, the only solution's evolve
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Posted: 03/02/06 1:26 pm ::: |
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| Are you stats about free throws? That was the question but thatks for stats.
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Posted: 03/02/06 5:04 pm ::: |
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how many 5'3 franchise players you know of in the history of the league? |
The Sharks have 2 franchise players and they weren't looking for one.
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Posted: 03/04/06 11:37 am ::: |
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| Teasley a better shooter? She's shot 40% (barely) once in her WNBA career, she was under 40% for her college career as well. She is not a good shooter and never has been. |
Teasley is one of the odd WNBA players who shoots a slightly higher career percentage on 3pt shots (40%) than on all field goals. She was injured and had a down year last year on 3's, but nevertheless has the 9th best career 3pt shooting % in WNBA history.
She shoots fouls at 82%.
From the perimeter, Teasley is an excellent shooter and passer. With her height, she is more advantaged as an entry passer in the half court offense than TJ. TJ is a better distributor in transition offense. A team is in half court offense much more than it is in transition.
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Posted: 03/04/06 10:24 pm ::: |
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If the trade was Nikki for T.J. straight up - even with Page thrown in (saves salary for DC) I'd like it better.
Having to also swap picks was a rip-off.
The fifth pick could be Sophia.
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Having to also swap picks was a rip-off.
The fifth pick could be Sophia. |
Uhuh.
Washington sacrificed a chance to get some depth in order to get a PG who may not even be better than the one they exchanged and is more expensive (though they did offload Page's salary).
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Uhuh is right. It's possible that either Currie or Young will fall to 5. The difference between that and the 8 pick is more than significant.
I liked Hargrove's quote in WaPo. She said "this draft is very deep from 5 to 8." I couldn't contain laughter when I read that quote.
All I can think is that maybe they have someone in mind, some sleeper they really want, whom they would have taken at 5 and whom they think will still be around at 8.
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Posted: 03/04/06 11:31 pm ::: |
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If the trade was Nikki for T.J. straight up - even with Page thrown in (saves salary for DC) I'd like it better.
Having to also swap picks was a rip-off.
The fifth pick could be Sophia. |
See, I think Sophia could go as high as 2.
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Posted: 03/05/06 8:49 am ::: Re: Mystics-Sparks trade |
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Addition by subtraction. It was time for Muriel Page to go. Buh bye. From a PR perspective, this was genius since publically, the Styx can claim she added value to the trade. In actual fact, they were saved from cutting a "no longer contributing on the floor/locker room poison/earning way too much salary" from the team.
B-ball style for Beard and TJ was a clash. Both create with the ball. TJ likes to feed the ball in scoring position. Beard likes to get the ball off a screen with room to create her own score. MISMATCH. It's awesome that TJ had such a great frosh year that the Styx were able to get another talented point guard in trade. And I think Teasley
5th vs 8th pick? There aren't any dominating centers in this year's draft and that's the only missing ingredient from this team. This pick will not improve this team dramatically and neither pick was going to help the Styx trade for a center.
True that LA was handed the TV spots featuring LL and TJ, mutt and jeff. But that's all.
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| how many 5'3 franchise players you know of in the history of the league? |
I can only think of one - Kim Perrot. I think she was instrumental in their championships, only because I remember cussing her out a few times during the Finals.
Debbie Black was the shortest (an inch shorter than TJ), and was somewhat successful in the league. I think she managed to work the height difference to her advantage, but that her age was what held her back the most.
Ultimately, I think there will be a few small players that can make their mark on the league.
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| kim perrot was 5-5. debbie black, by her own reckoning, is 5 feet 2-1/2.
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Posted: 03/05/06 12:03 pm ::: Mystics-Sparks Trade |
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| Wasn't there alot of talk awhile back concerning the chemistrry of the Mystics? Most people thought that a shake up of the team was in order to straighten out the locker room antics. Could this trade be the answer to the Mystic's problems? There was alot of talk about who the instigators were. I don't beleive it to be Page, but with Page being the original and oldest Mystic maybe there was a tug of war for the leadership role. Also, If the point gard wasn't distributing the ball well (like ignoring other players on the court), then she wasn't the right person for that role. I don't know whether Teasley is the answer, only time will tell. (Sorry if this has already be discussed, but just returned from vacation and heard the news)
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Posted: 03/05/06 3:15 pm ::: Re: Mystics-Sparks Trade |
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| Wasn't there alot of talk awhile back concerning the chemistrry of the Mystics? Most people thought that a shake up of the team was in order to straighten out the locker room antics. Could this trade be the answer to the Mystic's problems? There was alot of talk about who the instigators were. I don't beleive it to be Page, but with Page being the original and oldest Mystic maybe there was a tug of war for the leadership role. Also, If the point gard wasn't distributing the ball well (like ignoring other players on the court), then she wasn't the right person for that role. I don't know whether Teasley is the answer, only time will tell. (Sorry if this has already be discussed, but just returned from vacation and heard the news) |
There is no way anyone will convince me that the player who was second in the league in assists "wasn't distributing the ball well."
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Posted: 03/05/06 7:44 pm ::: Re: Mystics-Sparks Trade |
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There is no way anyone will convince me that the player who was second in the league in assists "wasn't distributing the ball well." |
Also, she had a very decent A/TO ratio. People on the VeSPN board mentioned how this was purely basketball-related and then they lost me. I think her biggest challenge will be to balance touches to Mique and Leslie and eliminate the need that Mique has to have the ball in her hands so much. Put her in a position to score instead of creating her own shot. She will have more *and* better options in LA. Among LLL, Mabika and Mique, TJ has all the scorers to lead the league in assists this season.
Also, what I would like to point out is the feat of doing so well as a rookie and under Richie. People like to call Houston PG hell, but I don't think it gets much better with Richie. The thing is he had a steady veteran to run the point for NY, who could take his shit and dish it back. He's the most confusing coach I've seen, so for TJ to have that kind of success in her first year speaks volumes about how she carries herself on the court, where it matters.
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Posted: 03/05/06 7:54 pm ::: |
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Here's a thought, maybe Teasley wanted out of LA. She's held out (briefly) for more money the last two years, it could be that she's gotten tired of not getting what she wants._________________ If you want a revolution, the only solution's evolve
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Posted: 03/05/06 7:57 pm ::: |
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| Here's a thought, maybe Teasley wanted out of LA. She's held out (briefly) for more money the last two years, it could be that she's gotten tired of not getting what she wants. |
Quite possibly. If so, PT did a good job of accomodating her request while keeping LA competitive. Now if only she would hire a coach for Christ's sakes...
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Posted: 03/05/06 8:11 pm ::: Re: Mystics-Sparks Trade |
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| He's the most confusing coach I've seen, so for TJ to have that kind of success in her first year speaks volumes about how she carries herself on the court, where it matters. |
I thought someone mentioned that she was rolling her eyes at him, at some point. But, I guess she was mature enough to try to do what he was asking anyways, and pass to the folks she was (supposedly) fueding with.
Maybe Richie was the fool in the situation, and her teammates were the real problem. But, I think the rookie is going to be gotten rid of before you drop a coach and star players (Alana, DMJ) to accomodate her.
I think if they felt it was best to replace her, they did well to get Teasley. How many decent, experienced PGs are there hanging around that they could get?
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