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PostPosted: 03/01/06 5:08 pm    ::: Today's transactions Reply Reply with quote

THE SUN HAVE RE-SIGNED JEN D!


oh yeah, and Teasley traded for TJ and Page and a swap of picks. Big deal.



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PostPosted: 03/01/06 5:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

That is big news, cuz everybody had her dead in the water. Will see who survived training camp.



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PostPosted: 03/01/06 5:24 pm    ::: Re: Today's transactions Reply Reply with quote

dtsnms wrote:
THE SUN HAVE RE-SIGNED JEN D!


oh yeah, and Teasley traded for TJ and Page and a swap of picks. Big deal.


so did anybody have this trade in mind?
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PostPosted: 03/01/06 5:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I don't see how Washington fans can be upset about this.

1. TJ was not popular with DMJ/Alana.
2. Run, run, run - with Nikki T, Alana, DMJ and Tot rebounding, they are going to be an aggressive, running team.
3. Matchups - Lindsay and Becky covering Nikki T? Uh oh...
4. No more Page!
5. Still have a Top 10 pick to grab a player that will get PT. Maybe a Khara Smith, or Dupree, or Blue as a 6th man
6. The team as it was was going nowhere and losing it's fan base. Now it's going to play an exciting brand of ball, with more exciting players.

Of course, keep in mind I never thought TJ was so spectacular, so my opinions are shaded that way.



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PostPosted: 03/01/06 5:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I actually wondered about Page. Wow, she wwas with the Styx through so much crap. Good luck to her.



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PostPosted: 03/01/06 5:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Maybe TJ was bad for team chemistry in WA, but I kinda liked watching her play, and now she's a member of the enemy...

That's okay though, because Teasley seemed to be a Storm killer over the years, what with her being 6' and Sue Bird trying to guard her...

Actually, unfortunately, I think I really like this trade from LA's standpoint. I think they got the better end of the deal. Her tearing Sue apart on defense aside, I'm not that high on Teasley as a center point of a big trade.


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PostPosted: 03/01/06 5:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This still leaves the center the Styx need. Im very happy that its not DMJ leaving. A bit worried there for a minute.



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PostPosted: 03/01/06 5:47 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think the Mystics came out on the bad end of this one. They lose the only real decent point guard they have ever had and IMO a solid back-up post for what? The top 10 pick from LA doesn't make me feel better about it.

But I must admit my own jaded opinion, exactly opposite of DTS's though. I have never been particularly impressed with Teasley. Her height is of course a big advantage, but aside from that one great season during the Sparks second (?) championship run, I just don't see it. So of course I think LA got the better of the deal, essentially getting rid of dead weight and getting a solid point guard and yet another post to throw into their rotation.

But I do realize that a lot of people think the same thing about Page being dead weight in DC...

I wish we could have gotten TJ in Phx Sad

Edit: I've been catching all the hints about chemistry issues, so from that standpoint I can see where the Mystics/fans may feel that they definitely won. I didn't take that into consideration really when I first posted, but my opinion still stands.



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PostPosted: 03/01/06 6:08 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

dtsnms wrote:
I don't see how Washington fans can be upset about this.

1. TJ was not popular with DMJ/Alana.


Whoa, I'm behind on this. What was up with the chemistry between TJ and DMJ/Alana?


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PostPosted: 03/01/06 6:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

What kind of message does that send?
AB isn't half the leader TJ is and she wasn't exactly setting the world on fire. The Mystics will regret this move. I don't feel sorry for TJ, she's going to a better team and she gets to be the coach Wink



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PostPosted: 03/01/06 6:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ok, I'm minority here and on VeSPN. My first reaction is that the Sharks got the better of this deal.



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PostPosted: 03/01/06 6:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Disagree about Alana not being a leader (see 2004). But I agree with BCBG...I think LA did get the better part of this deal


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PostPosted: 03/01/06 6:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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What kind of message does that send?
AB isn't half the leader TJ is and she wasn't exactly setting the world on fire. The Mystics will regret this move. I don't feel sorry for TJ, she's going to a better team and she gets to be the coach Wink


But it keeps DMJ happy. They spent a whole lot to get her!



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PostPosted: 03/01/06 6:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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dtsnms wrote:
I don't see how Washington fans can be upset about this.

1. TJ was not popular with DMJ/Alana.


Whoa, I'm behind on this. What was up with the chemistry between TJ and DMJ/Alana?


I'm even further behind than you. I thought TJ and Alana & company were finally starting to move back in the right direction in DC. O well...



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PostPosted: 03/01/06 6:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

caune wrote:
BCBG25 wrote:
What kind of message does that send?
AB isn't half the leader TJ is and she wasn't exactly setting the world on fire. The Mystics will regret this move. I don't feel sorry for TJ, she's going to a better team and she gets to be the coach Wink


But it keeps DMJ happy. They spent a whole lot to get her!


Well, good for her, but what if Alana is next on her She Hate Me list?
This is not a good sign. The MFO should've put an end to lockerroom bickering, this isn't high school, people have to make an effort to get along with their co-workers. Again, what kind of message does that send? Who is the boss in this mess?



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PostPosted: 03/01/06 6:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Teasley played her best with Michael Cooper, who balanced her need to be Nikki (one I in team, two Is in Nikki) but be a ball distributor and generate offense for her teammates. I don't think she will mesh well with Rigid Richie.


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PostPosted: 03/01/06 6:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

wow. i can't bother thinking about who got the better end of the deal. what i'm busy thinking about is . . .

DAMN IT! if l.a. could get tj, or d.c. teasley, why not the liberty?! (oh yeah - nothing worth anything)

and i take it back: i do NOT wanna go on any depressing road trip to d.c. to see c-rob and everybody else kick our pathetic azzes. even if blaze spots the bus. they'll have to PAY ME to endure such a thing.




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I don't care if someone isn't popular. Too fucking bad. These are adult women who get paid to do a job. There are people in my office that I can't stand, but I still go to work every day and do my job and work to make my organization better. When you are a professional that is what you do, and that is what these women should have done. If they can't, ship their asses out.

Beard and Milton have gone way down in my book. Go TJ!

And add me to the people who are not particularly impressed with Teasley. LA won this one big time, IMO. I wouldn't have traded TJ for Teasley straight up, let alone with other parts.


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I like Teasley, but she isn't suited for Richie's system of slow ball. That's why this trade is looking bad, but who knows how that'll turn out. The Mystics could be this year's Sharks. Looking good on paper, but the reality could be VERY different.



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BCBG25 wrote:
I like Teasley, but she isn't suited for Richie's system of slow ball. That's why this trade is looking bad, but who knows how that'll turn out. The Mystics could be this year's Sharks. Looking good on paper, but the reality could be VERY different.


that's it, in a nutshell.


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BCBG25 wrote:
I like Teasley, but she isn't suited for Richie's system of slow ball. That's why this trade is looking bad, but who knows how that'll turn out. The Mystics could be this year's Sharks. Looking good on paper, but the reality could be VERY different.


Won't mesh well with Rigid Richie


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I have always liked TJ and not appreciated Nikki, so I like this from L.A.'s side. If there were chemistry problems, I guess this a solution to it and hope Nikki will work out for them. It will be interesting to see how she does in Richie's system.

Perhaps L.A. will benefit since Mique gets her best friend on her team again.


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am i the only one who thinks l.a. moving up to five, instead of eight, is not exactly insignificant?


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BCBG25 wrote:
caune wrote:
BCBG25 wrote:
What kind of message does that send?
AB isn't half the leader TJ is and she wasn't exactly setting the world on fire. The Mystics will regret this move. I don't feel sorry for TJ, she's going to a better team and she gets to be the coach Wink


But it keeps DMJ happy. They spent a whole lot to get her!


Well, good for her, but what if Alana is next on her She Hate Me list?
This is not a good sign. The MFO should've put an end to lockerroom bickering, this isn't high school, people have to make an effort to get along with their co-workers. Again, what kind of message does that send? Who is the boss in this mess?


Again, what was the beef? This is the first I've heard of this. I thought that all got along, especially with Alana and TJ both having their Louisiana ties and all. Question


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Well, good for her, but what if Alana is next on her She Hate Me list?
This is not a good sign. The MFO should've put an end to lockerroom bickering, this isn't high school, people have to make an effort to get along with their co-workers. Again, what kind of message does that send? Who is the boss in this mess?


Completely agreed. Imagine if this was happening in the NBA and people actually paid attention. The whole thing would be the laughingstock of sports.


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Again, what was the beef? This is the first I've heard of this. I thought that all got along, especially with Alana and TJ both having their Louisiana ties and all. Question


Did TJ steal DMJ's cheese or something?
What could be so serious the kid had to be traded?



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I don't care if someone isn't popular. Too fucking bad. These are adult women who get paid to do a job. There are people in my office that I can't stand, but I still go to work every day and do my job and work to make my organization better. When you are a professional that is what you do, and that is what these women should have done. If they can't, ship their asses out.

Beard and Milton have gone way down in my book. Go TJ!

And add me to the people who are not particularly impressed with Teasley. LA won this one big time, IMO. I wouldn't have traded TJ for Teasley straight up, let alone with other parts.


You aren't living and constantly traveling with the people you work with. And when one player is a distraction in the locker room, the whole team suffers. It is easy to say "just shut up and deal," but this happens all the time in basketball.


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PostPosted: 03/01/06 6:55 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

BCBG25 wrote:
luvDhoops wrote:


Again, what was the beef? This is the first I've heard of this. I thought that all got along, especially with Alana and TJ both having their Louisiana ties and all. Question


Did TJ steal DMJ's cheese or something?
What could be so serious the kid had to be traded?


Taking the other side, we don't know if that was the specific motivation for the trade. This is Hargrove we are talking about...


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PostPosted: 03/01/06 6:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

sebibb wrote:
am i the only one who thinks l.a. moving up to five, instead of eight, is not exactly insignificant?


Yes, but it's Penny Toler drafting and everything outside the top 4 is a bit airy fairy.

Interesting trade. Not exactly sure what I think of it yet but Teasley is quite overrated and it's going to be very interesting to see her in the Mystics environment.
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PostPosted: 03/01/06 7:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I expect Teasley to do well re-united with DeLisha and Tot.

Good trade for both teams. (better for LA because they moved up in draft too.


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CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
PUmatty wrote:
I don't care if someone isn't popular. Too fucking bad. These are adult women who get paid to do a job. There are people in my office that I can't stand, but I still go to work every day and do my job and work to make my organization better. When you are a professional that is what you do, and that is what these women should have done. If they can't, ship their asses out.

Beard and Milton have gone way down in my book. Go TJ!

And add me to the people who are not particularly impressed with Teasley. LA won this one big time, IMO. I wouldn't have traded TJ for Teasley straight up, let alone with other parts.


You aren't living and constantly traveling with the people you work with. And when one player is a distraction in the locker room, the whole team suffers. It is easy to say "just shut up and deal," but this happens all the time in basketball.


I disagree with you on this one. You travel with them, then don't sit next to them on the bus. Keep it to your damn self so it doesn't destroy the team. Be a fucking adult and get over yourself - just make it work.

When it happens "all the time" in basketball and I know about it, I feel exactly the same way. If you can't handle it, then maybe you are in the wrong line of work.

Good luck to TJ in LA. I will go back to not liking the Mystics. It will be like getting back on a bike.


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Sometimes, if the problem player cannot be ignored and it is causing problems for the team and coaching staff, she has to be traded. It isn't as simple as just dealing with it, Matty.


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Cam's right about things being bigger distractions in the locker room when you effectively live with the group on road trips. From experience I've had, you *can* say 'shut up and deal', but that only compounds problems. While it has the prospect of being some of the most enjoyable times of your life, it can also be hell for some, if there's any personality clashes in the locker room - especially for those who simply have to put up with the crap of two people going back and forth.

Back to the trade - it's definitely going to be odd for my mind, seenig Teasly with the Mystics. But then again, I guess its odd seeing all players in their newly acquired uniforms for the first time.



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This problem could have been solved had the Mystics just traded Alana to Phoenix for #2... Smile


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I think the Mystics might do it, if Phoenix threw in a packet of Tim Tams with the #2. You should put it to the board Cam, I wouldn't mind seeing Alana in that fantastically crap orange of the Mercs Wink



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I think the Mystics might do it, if Phoenix threw in a packet of Tim Tams with the #2. You should put it to the board Cam, I wouldn't mind seeing Alana in that fantastically crap orange of the Mercs Wink


Hargrove just makes her dumb trades with New York and Los Angeles, not with Phoenix.


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This problem could have been solved had the Mystics just traded Alana to Phoenix for #2... Smile


So now you're saying that the problem is/was Alana and not DMJ?
Shit like that would never happen with the Liberty of old. Spoon and Sue would put the rookie in her place and make everything work as adults do. If Cooper and Swoopes were able to deal with it, I don't think it gets bigger than that. In terms of ego and importance. They knew they had to take one for the team, so they put up with each other and competed like the great competitors they are. This is silly, no matter how you slice it.



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I don't see how Washington fans can be upset about this.

1. TJ was not popular with DMJ/Alana.


I'm really selling on the notion of bringing Beard's top college rival in to improve chemistry.

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2. Run, run, run - with Nikki T, Alana, DMJ and Tot rebounding, they are going to be an aggressive, running team.


With Richie Adubato as coach? The same Adubato who tried to run set plays in an All Star game?

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Take a look at any game Teasley played against New York in the last three seasons and try again.

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I don't see that Page hurt the team particularly. If she was as bad as that, they could have just cut her.

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Moving from a lottery pick to a late first rounder in a not-that-deep draft isn't a good thing.

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6. The team as it was was going nowhere and losing it's fan base. Now it's going to play an exciting brand of ball, with more exciting players.


I still don't see an Adubato team playing an exciting brand of ball. The Sparks haven't been exactly lighting up the turnstiles with Teasley because their record has worsened every year she's been there. If the Mystakes don't win, the crowds will continue to dwindle.

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Of course, keep in mind I never thought TJ was so spectacular, so my opinions are shaded that way.


Johnson as a rookie posted numbers quite similar to Teasley's career averages, except Johnson's better FG% and Teasley's better 3P%. Teasley is sometimes spectacular, but that's not the same as actually being good.



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This problem could have been solved had the Mystics just traded Alana to Phoenix for #2... Smile


So now you're saying that the problem is/was Alana and not DMJ?


No, I was saying Alana would be fine in Phoenix. Smile

My comment had nothing to do with the feud and everything to do with a Diana-Alana backcourt.


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This problem could have been solved had the Mystics just traded Alana to Phoenix for #2... Smile


So now you're saying that the problem is/was Alana and not DMJ?


No, I was saying Alana would be fine in Phoenix. Smile

My comment had nothing to do with the feud and everything to do with a Diana-Alana backcourt.


Well, I've got news for you. A Diana-Cappie backcourt is much better, so be happy.



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I think LA got the better of this trade. They gave up a substantial amount to move "up" from TJ to Teasley, and I don't think Teasley is that much (at all?) better than TJ. Plus, Teasley is about twice as expensive.

I dunno.... maybe locker room chemistry is the issue. That's really the only explanation I can see. Still, this is weird...


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Plus, Teasley is about twice as expensive.


Uhuh. Johnson is guaranteed to be on a cheap rookie contract for 3 more years. Even if you think the two are equivalent, Johnson is better value.
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I like it for LA as well. I still don't like LA of course, but that seems to be reducing by the hour as the Mystics attempt to reassemble the 2002 bad-ass Sparks lineup in Washington.

I guess Nikki Showtime might bring the crowds back. Judging by VeProfessor's recent comments the attendance banner is very important to that franchise Wink



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Plus, bringing in Page will make Mique happy. Another part of the deal that can be easily overlooked.



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I don't see how Washington fans can be upset about this.

1. TJ was not popular with DMJ/Alana.


I'm really selling on the notion of bringing Beard's top college rival in to improve chemistry.

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2. Run, run, run - with Nikki T, Alana, DMJ and Tot rebounding, they are going to be an aggressive, running team.


With Richie Adubato as coach? The same Adubato who tried to run set plays in an All Star game?

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3. Matchups - Lindsay and Becky covering Nikki T? Uh oh...


Take a look at any game Teasley played against New York in the last three seasons and try again.

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I don't see that Page hurt the team particularly. If she was as bad as that, they could have just cut her.

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Moving from a lottery pick to a late first rounder in a not-that-deep draft isn't a good thing.

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6. The team as it was was going nowhere and losing it's fan base. Now it's going to play an exciting brand of ball, with more exciting players.


I still don't see an Adubato team playing an exciting brand of ball. The Sparks haven't been exactly lighting up the turnstiles with Teasley because their record has worsened every year she's been there. If the Mystakes don't win, the crowds will continue to dwindle.

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Of course, keep in mind I never thought TJ was so spectacular, so my opinions are shaded that way.


Johnson as a rookie posted numbers quite similar to Teasley's career averages, except Johnson's better FG% and Teasley's better 3P%. Teasley is sometimes spectacular, but that's not the same as actually being good.


Everyone's entitled to opinions. Mine is that Washington is far more potent now than it was before.



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And I agree that it's quite possible that they are.
It really depends on which Nikki shows up this season.
I don't know if I would take that gamble if I were Washington, but then again, the last time a team gambled on Teasley it worked out rather nicely for them.



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oh, and Washington made it how far in the playoffs last year with TJ at the point? Maybe a change of scenery helps both teams.



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oh, and Washington made it how far in the playoffs last year with TJ at the point? Maybe a change of scenery helps both teams.


As far as they made it with Beard and Milton-Jones.


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TJ is too small to win Big in the WNBA. Look at the Point Guards of the past four years who won the title. All big guards relatively. Teasley, Powell, Bird, Penecheiro. Washington is making a bold move to try and win the East. It may backfire. But Look at their starters on the perimeter now. Teasley, Beard, and Robinson they will be tough to guard for most teams in the East. If their inside presence improves they become an immediate contender.


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ode88 wrote:
TJ is too small to win Big in the WNBA. Look at the Point Guards of the past four years who won the title. All big guards relatively. Teasley, Powell, Bird, Penecheiro. Washington is making a bold move to try and win the East. It may backfire. But Look at their starters on the perimeter now. Teasley, Beard, and Robinson they will be tough to guard for most teams in the East. If their inside presence improves they become an immediate contender.


THat is a BIG IF.Tot is the answer? i don't think so.you can't run if you don't reb.


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