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[PUmatty]

Ohio State deserves a No. 1 seed.

Discuss.

[Slovydal]

Can I wait until monday night to decide?

[PUmatty]

[beknighted]

[ari20dal7]

When I have a bit more time I'll say more, but I'd go with Rutgers over OSU for the #1. OSU deserves to be in the hat, though.

[PUmatty]

It just occured to me this weekend that no one has really mentioned Ohio State.

I believe that with Indiana State losing recently, the Bukceyes have the second-longest winning streak in the coutry, and only one team has lost fewer games.

If they win the B11 Tournament, I think they have to be considered a strong candidate for a No. 1. At least a strong as teams like Maryland or Rutgers.

[Alepp03]

The LSU game on TV probably left a bad taste in a lot of people's mouths - Buckeye people especially. Davenport looked helpless against Fowles and no one was there to pick up much of the slack. They did not look like a top team that night, and that's the last I've seen of them.

Still, under the radar these past couple months they've managed to trot along quite steadily, not dropping anything too stupid in the Big Ten and improving significantly as a team.

OSU deserves CONSIDERATION for a 1 seed, I don't see it happening however.

To me, the 1 seeds will end up being Duke, UNC, LSU, Maryland, with the 2s being UConn, OSU, Rutgers, and Tenn -- OU is still a 3 seed and is firmly planted in that #9 spot in the country until they find a way to take out one of these 8 or one of them has a bad loss. Too bad the Big 12 didn't provide many top tier wins for them.

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[bballjunkee212]

Not so sure I agree with saying OSU deserves a #1 seed if they win the B10 tournament.

I suppose it goes without saying that UNC, Duke and MD get the other #1 seeds?

Anyway, consider the other candidates for the last spot: LSU, winner of the SEC; and RU or UConn, champions of the BEast. Interesting that Stanford and OU are not seriously considered. But Stanford has 6 losses, 5 of which from teams they "shouldn't" have lost to. OU is a win against TTU away from running the table in the B12, but the B12 is having a "down" year.

Which brings us to the B10. Who in the B10, besides OSU, has shown the ability to win on consistent basis, against elite competition? And while OSU sports a gaudy 24-2 record, they are 1-1 against the "big dogs" (lost to LSU, beat OU), and lost a game they "shouldn't" have lost. So OSU- perhaps like OU- is arguably only the best in a weaker conference.

However, LSU played in an arguably stronger conference, and have two "quality" losses to UConn and Florida. (I don't think I could have made the assertion that the Florida loss was "quality" until this weekend when they knocked of UT.) So maybe LSU deserves the #1 seed.

RU and UConn play in the BEast, but I'm not so sure that was a stronger conference than the SEC. If memory serves, each conference has the same number of teams with losing records overall; the same number with with winning records against top 25 teams; and the same number of ranked teams. (Again, Florida: Unranked with a 5-2 record against top 25 teams. Looking for a NCAA Cinderella?) But my sense is that after the top 4 or 5 in the BEast, there was a bigger drop-off in competitiveness than in the SEC.

So I say LSU should have the remaining #1 seed.

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[dtsnms]

no way does the committee make 3 ACC teams #1 seed. They may deserve it, but the committe, IMO, would not risk showing a "conference bias" to that extent. Especially when there are other teams worthy of consideration like RU, OSU, etc.

[ucbart]

Matty, what is that picture under your username?

[CamrnCrz1974]

If UConn beats Rutgers and wins the Big East Tournament, UConn gets one of the #1 seeds, plain and simple.

Now, how often do things turn out to be plain and simple? If Duke loses to Maryland in the semis of the ACC Tournament, does Duke still get a #1 seed? If Rutgers is upset in the Big East semis and loses to UConn tonight, what happens?

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[ari20dal7]

Don't know about the women's committee, but the Big XII got three #1 seeds in the men's bracket a few years ago. I think they would do it if they feel it's right. I also think LSU is a #1. They've looked that way the whole season in my book.

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[GlennMacGrady]

I agree with the view that 3 teams seeded #1 from the ACC would be politically unacceptable, and hence won't happen.

I think there will be two teams from the ACC, and the other two teams will come from the winners of BE, SEC and B10 conference tournaments, depending on the records of those three conference winners after the smoke clears.

So, yes, I think Ohio State has an outside shot.

[Alepp03]

UNC is a lock, no ifs, ands, or buts. At most they will enter the tournament with 2 losses, and chances are they would be to Maryland and Duke or both to Maryland.

If Duke loses to Maryland, they drop from a #1.

If Maryland loses to anyone but UNC, they will not get a #1. Duke beating Maryland will clinch a #1. If Duke and Maryland both lose to, say, BC or someone of equivalence in the tournament, Duke retains the #1, and Maryland drops to a 2.

If UNC were to drop in the first round, and Maryland beats Duke in the semis and wins the tournament, that is the only remote chance the ACC gets 3 #1s, and even then, I think Duke would drop to a 2, and UNC would stay a 1.

LSU is a #1 if they lose to Tenn or GA, if they lose to anyone else, they drop.

If Tenn wins the SEC tourney by beating LSU, they MAY be a #1, but if they win the SEC tourney without playing LSU, they will stay a step behind.

As of right now, UNC, Duke, and Maryland are all #1s (with LSU), but at least one of the 3 ACCs will lose, and they will drop because of it.

The most likely benefactor is the winner of the Big East. UConn can win, lose, or draw against Rutgers in the regular season finale, but if they win the BEast tourney, they grab a #1.

If Rutgers loses to UConn in the season finale, but wins the BEast tourney, OSU will finally receive consideration.

At this point, OSU will receive the #1 seed if they win their conference tournament, Tenn takes out LSU, and if Rutgers and UConn both have one more loss before the season is over.

Oklahoma lacks the true Top Tier Win needed to push into the #1 seed and would need an unreal amount of bad losses for teams ahead of them to have any hope of being a 1 seed.

Stanford is in the same boat, and has lost recently.

As an aside, can someone tell me why La Tech is all of a sudden ranked?

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[bballfan2005]

It looks as though Duke and Maryland should have little trouble getting to the semifinals of the ACC tournament. UNC, for the second year in a row, could possibly face elimination in the quarterfinals and semifinals (irregardless of which teams actually make it through). With that said, UNC will probably win the whole thing again this year.

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[ripleydc]

[bullsky]

I still cant believe people arent taking Oklahoma into consideration for a #1 seed. Though the Big 12 isnt as tough as it used to be, you still must play pretty good teams on the road. They do not have just one loss, or maybe just two, they are UNDEFEATED. The only conferences that can say they are more deep than the Big 12 are the Big East and the SEC.

But on topic of discussion: sure, give OSU a number one seed. Though I dont think the Big Ten deserves it, OSU would deserve it the most. BUT I think if they are a number one seed, they will go out first of all of other three.

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