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zune69
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| Skylar signs with a new team and she's still on Twitter yapping about the Mercury drama from 2 seasons ago......Seattle is a legit title contender but she still has Phoenix on her mind.
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GEF34
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| Posted: 02/06/24 4:25 pm ::: |
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| Skylar signs with a new team and she's still on Twitter yapping about the Mercury drama from 2 seasons ago......Seattle is a legit title contender but she still has Phoenix on her mind. |
If people want her to stop talking about it, stop tagging her and calling out her name. She is responding to people, not bring it up randomly.
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zune69
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| Posted: 02/06/24 4:32 pm ::: |
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| Skylar signs with a new team and she's still on Twitter yapping about the Mercury drama from 2 seasons ago......Seattle is a legit title contender but she still has Phoenix on her mind. |
If people want her to stop talking about it, stop tagging her and calling out her name. She is responding to people, not bring it up randomly. |
Or maybe Skylar should stop responding to random people on the internet....Celebs/Athletes get tagged all the time...That doesn't mean they have to respond....Especially for something that happened 2 years ago while playing for another franchise.
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| Posted: 02/06/24 4:38 pm ::: |
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| Skylar signs with a new team and she's still on Twitter yapping about the Mercury drama from 2 seasons ago......Seattle is a legit title contender but she still has Phoenix on her mind. |
If people want her to stop talking about it, stop tagging her and calling out her name. She is responding to people, not bring it up randomly. |
Or maybe Skylar should stop responding to random people on the internet....Celebs/Athletes get tagged all the time...That doesn't mean they have to respond....Especially for something that happened 2 years ago while playing for another franchise. |
Why so they can continue to spread false things about her and other people involved. If you don't know what you are talking about you shouldn't say it. (Not you, the people she is responding to), but everyone feels they can say whatever they think is true about people and put it out in the world, so in those situations I have no issue with athletes/celebrities or even regular people correcting false information.
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| Posted: 02/06/24 4:56 pm ::: |
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| If what she's saying is true, the earth being scorched behind her *deserves* to be salted.
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| Posted: 02/06/24 5:07 pm ::: |
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| Skylar signs with a new team and she's still on Twitter yapping about the Mercury drama from 2 seasons ago......Seattle is a legit title contender but she still has Phoenix on her mind. |
If people want her to stop talking about it, stop tagging her and calling out her name. She is responding to people, not bring it up randomly. |
Or maybe Skylar should stop responding to random people on the internet....Celebs/Athletes get tagged all the time...That doesn't mean they have to respond....Especially for something that happened 2 years ago while playing for another franchise. |
Why so they can continue to spread false things about her and other people involved. If you don't know what you are talking about you shouldn't say it. (Not you, the people she is responding to), but everyone feels they can say whatever they think is true about people and put it out in the world, so in those situations I have no issue with athletes/celebrities or even regular people correcting false information. |
Skylar should just tell her side of the story and be done with it...Carrying the Phoenix drama to Seattle isn't fair to her teammates...Reacting to comments on social media every time you feel slighted is going to mentally wear Skylar down
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Iluvacc
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| Posted: 02/06/24 6:17 pm ::: |
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| If what she's saying is true, the earth being scorched behind her *deserves* to be salted. |
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Whew, I can’t say I’m surprised to hear about any of these allegations.
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| Posted: 02/06/24 6:20 pm ::: |
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| If what she's saying is true, the earth being scorched behind her *deserves* to be salted. |
I’m starting to wonder if Skylar is one of the people who spoke up about Sarver.
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Iluvacc
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| Posted: 02/06/24 9:11 pm ::: |
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| If what she's saying is true, the earth being scorched behind her *deserves* to be salted. |
I’m starting to wonder if Skylar is one of the people who spoke up about Sarver. |
That definitely crossed my mind as well.
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There is something decidedly tone deaf about the Phoenix Mercury, with Girl Dad and all that. I don't doubt that there may have been a cringeworthy moment like the "Happy Black History Month" episode Skylar mentions. The other allegations, if they're not exaggerations, are much more serious, and worthy of the salted earth treatment recommended above. But if this really were a problem, why on earth would someone like Natasha Cloud choose to go to Phoenix?
I have to admit that I don't like Skylar, but the reason I don't like her is relevant: I can't stand the way she consistently flops and plays the victim when she doesn't get the call. That can't help but influence the way I'm looking at this.
These are allegations of microaggressions from someone who is known to exaggerate. A lot of it is hearsay. This happened on two separate teams for two separate reasons. I've observed the way people who are at fault for losing their job often behave, and this is consistent with that (though certainly not proof of it).
You can't discount what Skylar says just because she flops on a court, but I'm more inclined to trust Natasha's Cloud's judgement more than Skylar's hearsay unless Skylar is willing to pursue this matter further. If not, I feel fairly certain that if there is indeed a problem, Natasha will not be afraid to speak up about it.
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| Posted: 02/07/24 7:18 am ::: |
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| Meesseman would be a nice option (Post Olympics) for Phoenix if they can't land EDD.....Signing Hawkins is also an option
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| Meesseman would be a nice option (Post Olympics) for Phoenix if they can't land EDD.....Signing Hawkins is also an option |
Meeseman would be a good pickup. But I don't know if they can afford to pay her and Griner. Hawkins would a cheaper alternative. So would Ruthy Hebard. Hebard would be so happy to get another WNBA gig that she would rebound every ball that comes off the rim, like Moses Malone.
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| Posted: 02/07/24 2:56 pm ::: |
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You can't discount what Skylar says just because she flops on a court, but I'm more inclined to trust Natasha's Cloud's judgement more than Skylar's hearsay unless Skylar is willing to pursue this matter further. If not, I feel fairly certain that if there is indeed a problem, Natasha will not be afraid to speak up about it. |
Here is the real issue, Sarver.
If she’s talking about bad interactions she’s had with her him - he’s got enough allegations that there is likely truth to it.
However, her comments about the broadcasting situation are definitely playing the victim. No shit they were going in a different direction. She made it clear she was not going to play for the Mercury - she’s not going to continue to get the broadcasting spot meant for a member of the Mercury.  |
I didn't know about Sarver. I just checked that out, and it is most definitely relevant and something I didn't consider. My question still remains though: why is Natasha Cloud going there, given this information? |
Because Sarver is no longer the owner. Ishbia is. Sarver was thrown out because of what he’s done in the past.
Some of the board didn’t like his coaching hire. But he’s shown he’s willing to spend a lot of money on the Merc. They’re getting a new training center for themselves, he brought the all star game to Phoenix. He got a member of the Golden State FO to become the GM (if you don’t know NBA, generally considered the best FO in the league) , he’s advocating for charter flights/flights on his private plane…and hired Toliver as an assistant.
Players run to owners willing to spend money. It’s not surprise players want to go to Phoenix with the new owner.
Also, she’s very close friends with Beal. Him being in Phoenix is a bonus.
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| Posted: 02/07/24 3:05 pm ::: |
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You can't discount what Skylar says just because she flops on a court, but I'm more inclined to trust Natasha's Cloud's judgement more than Skylar's hearsay unless Skylar is willing to pursue this matter further. If not, I feel fairly certain that if there is indeed a problem, Natasha will not be afraid to speak up about it. |
Here is the real issue, Sarver.
If she’s talking about bad interactions she’s had with her him - he’s got enough allegations that there is likely truth to it.
However, her comments about the broadcasting situation are definitely playing the victim. No shit they were going in a different direction. She made it clear she was not going to play for the Mercury - she’s not going to continue to get the broadcasting spot meant for a member of the Mercury. |
I didn't know about Sarver. I just checked that out, and it is most definitely relevant and something I didn't consider. My question still remains though: why is Natasha Cloud going there, given this information? |
Because Sarver is no longer the owner. Ishbia is. Sarver was thrown out because of what he’s done in the past.
Some of the board didn’t like his coaching hire. But he’s shown he’s willing to spend a lot of money on the Merc. They’re getting a new training center for themselves, he brought the all star game to Phoenix. He got a member of the Golden State FO to become the GM (if you don’t know NBA, generally considered the best FO in the league) , he’s advocating for charter flights/flights on his private plane…and hired Toliver as an assistant.
Players run to owners willing to spend money. It’s not surprise players want to go to Phoenix with the new owner.
Also, she’s very close friends with Beal. Him being in Phoenix is a bonus. |
OK, that makes more sense now. Thanks for getting me up to speed!
So these moves of course make Phoenix a good team. The question is, what are they planning on doing at power forward? Is the plan to go small and depend on Griner being enough to make up for it?
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| Posted: 02/07/24 10:52 pm ::: |
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I could be doing the math wrong but if PX goes all minimums to fill out to 10 they only have about 150k left for Griner?
Does that seem too low? Could she go somewhere else? Or take the season off? or is my math wrong? or are we waiting on a Cunningham trade to free up more cap Griner before signs?
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| Posted: 02/08/24 12:57 am ::: |
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| Cunningham would obviously be part of any EDD trade or have to be traded....The acquisitions of Allen/Copper were clear signs that Sophie was going to get traded.
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| Posted: 02/08/24 9:18 am ::: |
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| Cunningham would obviously be part of any EDD trade or have to be traded....The acquisitions of Allen/Copper were clear signs that Sophie was going to get traded. |
welp, with Delle Donne off the table, now what do they do with those three?
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| Posted: 02/08/24 9:45 am ::: |
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| Cunningham would obviously be part of any EDD trade or have to be traded....The acquisitions of Allen/Copper were clear signs that Sophie was going to get traded. |
welp, with Delle Donne off the table, now what do they do with those three? |
Our starters are Cloud, Taurasi, Copper, Allen, Brit..and we actually have someone of quality off the bench in Sophie.
I think Brit signs another smaller one year deal, and will get her payday next season
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| Cunningham would obviously be part of any EDD trade or have to be traded....The acquisitions of Allen/Copper were clear signs that Sophie was going to get traded. |
welp, with Delle Donne off the table, now what do they do with those three? |
Our starters are Cloud, Taurasi, Copper, Allen, Brit..and we actually have someone of quality off the bench in Sophie.
I think Brit signs another smaller one year deal, and will get her payday next season |
Or she or a family member gets an "endorsement" deal.
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| Posted: 02/08/24 4:32 pm ::: |
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| Cunningham would obviously be part of any EDD trade or have to be traded....The acquisitions of Allen/Copper were clear signs that Sophie was going to get traded. |
welp, with Delle Donne off the table, now what do they do with those three? |
As mercfan3 said...Cloud/Taurasi/Copper/Allen/Brit will be starting 5 until they can acquire a PF.....I think Phoenix should target Hawkins,Meesseman, and Hamby.
LA would probably do Cunningham for Hamby straight up
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PX has to trade Cunningham for a pick or player on a much cheaper contract than Cunningham’s 153k it is one thing for a player to take less but there is no world where Griner should make Les than Cunningham, Allen, Turner or Jefferson, etc
Trade Cunningham to a team with more cap maybe looking to improve or compete for someone like Hillmon, Horston, SWK, Egbo, Evans, Kone, Carrington, Harris or a late or future first round pick, get a useable young player and free up enough cap to pay Griner 200k and maybe even afford a vet minimum instead of just straight up minimums to fill out the bench
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