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PostPosted: 10/18/22 11:05 am    ::: AP Poll Reply Reply with quote

https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-womens-college-basketball-poll

South Carolina #1 unanimously



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PostPosted: 10/19/22 3:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I wasn’t expecting Michigan to slide in there at #25, but it’s nice to see the B1G has the most in the poll with 6 teams!


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PostPosted: 10/19/22 5:18 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

why is Texas so high/?


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PostPosted: 10/19/22 10:27 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

snlMINAJ wrote:
why is Texas so high?


Yeah, that one popped out at me, too. Shocked Overall, not a terrible assessment of ranked teams - always fun to see how the first weeks make things bounce around.

LOOKING FORWARD!! Cool



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PostPosted: 10/26/22 5:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Gonna piggy back off this thread and post the WBCA Coaches Poll

Rank | School | Points | Last year’s final rank | First-place votes

1 South Carolina 798 1 30
2 Stanford 762 3 1
3 Texas 703 6 0
4 Tennessee 655 15 0
5 Louisville 642 4 0
6 Connecticut 614 2 0
6 Iowa 614 14 0
8 North Carolina State 530 5 0
9 Iowa State 521 8 1
10 Notre Dame 492 17 0
11 Indiana 457 10 0
12 North Carolina 428 16 0
13 Virginia Tech 398 25 0
14 LSU 360 12 0
15 Ohio State 341 13 0
16 Oklahoma 318 21 0
17 Baylor 309 11 0
18 Maryland 303 9 0
19 Arizona 233 18 0
20 Oregon 181 NR 0
21 Creighton 153 23 0
22 Nebraska 100 NR 0
23 Michigan 88 7 0
24 South Dakota State 85 NR 0
25 Princeton 66 NR 0

Others receiving votes:
Florida Gulf Coast 28
Texas A&M 23
Utah 20
Brigham Young 9
UCLA 18
South Dakota 16
Oregon State 14
Kansas 13
Kentucky 13
Central Florida 10
Yale 10
Belmont 9
Villanova 9
South Florida 8
Arkansas 7
Southern California 5
Houston 4
San Diego State 4
Georgia 3
Mississippi 3
North Dakota State 3
DePaul 2
Gonzaga 2
Miami (Fla.) 2
San Jose State 2
Massachusetts 1
SMU 1



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PostPosted: 10/26/22 6:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Interesting that #9 IA St. is picked to rule the Big 12....with Texas ahead of them on this poll. Shocked



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PostPosted: 10/26/22 8:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It's unusual for the polls to have the same 25 teams included in the preseason



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PostPosted: 10/28/22 9:45 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Just my opinion:

1. South Carolina
2. Stanford
3. Tennessee
4. Louisville
5. Texas
6. Iowa
7. Notre Dame
8. Iowa State
9. Virginia Tech
10. Connecticut
11. Louisiana State
12. North Carolina State
13. Indiana
14. Baylor
15. North Carolina
16. Ohio State
17. Oklahoma
18. Oregon
19. Maryland
20. Arizona
21. Creighton
22. South Dakota State
23. Nebraska
24. Princeton
25. Michigan


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PostPosted: 10/28/22 12:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

basketballologist wrote:
Just my opinion:

1. South Carolina
2. Stanford
3. Tennessee
4. Louisville
5. Texas
6. Iowa
7. Notre Dame
8. Iowa State
9. Virginia Tech
10. Connecticut
11. Louisiana State
12. North Carolina State
13. Indiana
14. Baylor
15. North Carolina
16. Ohio State
17. Oklahoma
18. Oregon
19. Maryland
20. Arizona
21. Creighton
22. South Dakota State
23. Nebraska
24. Princeton
25. Michigan


I ask this only because my list is almost identical accept for one thing, and your opinion seems to match the consensus: What are people seeing in Princeton that makes them a Top 25 team / better on paper than Utah?



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PostPosted: 10/28/22 12:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

PickledGinger wrote:
basketballologist wrote:
Just my opinion:

1. South Carolina
2. Stanford
3. Tennessee
4. Louisville
5. Texas
6. Iowa
7. Notre Dame
8. Iowa State
9. Virginia Tech
10. Connecticut
11. Louisiana State
12. North Carolina State
13. Indiana
14. Baylor
15. North Carolina
16. Ohio State
17. Oklahoma
18. Oregon
19. Maryland
20. Arizona
21. Creighton
22. South Dakota State
23. Nebraska
24. Princeton
25. Michigan


I ask this only because my list is almost identical accept for one thing, and your opinion seems to match the consensus: What are people seeing in Princeton that makes them a Top 25 team / better on paper than Utah?


I think that Princeton only lost their stalwart in Abby Meyers and returns everyone back while adding the best freshman class in Ivy League history. That combined with a fabulous coach shows reason for optimism -- but I agree that Utah probably has a higher ceiling this year.


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PostPosted: 10/29/22 2:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

PickledGinger wrote:
basketballologist wrote:
Just my opinion:

1. South Carolina
2. Stanford
3. Tennessee
4. Louisville
5. Texas
6. Iowa
7. Notre Dame
8. Iowa State
9. Virginia Tech
10. Connecticut
11. Louisiana State
12. North Carolina State
13. Indiana
14. Baylor
15. North Carolina
16. Ohio State
17. Oklahoma
18. Oregon
19. Maryland
20. Arizona
21. Creighton
22. South Dakota State
23. Nebraska
24. Princeton
25. Michigan


I ask this only because my list is almost identical accept for one thing, and your opinion seems to match the consensus: What are people seeing in Princeton that makes them a Top 25 team / better on paper than Utah?


Oregon out with the loss of Prince; Utah in


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PostPosted: 11/14/22 6:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-womens-college-basketball-poll?week=2

South Carolina still unanimous

Connecticut up to #5

Ohio State up to #8

Tennessee down to #11

Same 25 teams as last poll



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PostPosted: 11/14/22 10:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I predict tomorrow's poll will be slightly different


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PostPosted: 11/14/22 10:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I'm not getting Ohio's quantum leap there, but....things will be like this in November.



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PostPosted: 11/15/22 12:15 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
https://apnews.com/hub/ap-top-25-womens-college-basketball-poll?week=2

South Carolina still unanimous

Connecticut up to #5

Ohio State up to #8

Tennessee down to #11

Same 25 teams as last poll


No. Princeton and S. Dakota St. dropped out in favor of Villanova and Utah.
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PostPosted: 11/15/22 6:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Today's Coaches' Poll has some interesting updates. I see Ohio St. didn't get such a big bump for their TN win (compared to the AP poll), and Indiana leap-frogged over both of 'em. Cool



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PostPosted: 11/15/22 6:07 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Howee wrote:
Today's Coaches' Poll has some interesting updates. I see Ohio St. didn't get such a big bump for their TN win, and Indiana leap-frogged over both of 'em. 8)


I believe it's NCAA.com that's behind. Here's today's actual Coaches Poll:

https://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaw/polls/coaches-poll/

Edit: Oops. Howee changed his post and link while I was researching and writng mine.
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PostPosted: 11/18/22 12:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I wonder what the pollsters will do with this week's data. Get your popcorn out.


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PostPosted: 11/18/22 1:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Everything after the top 2 in the polls and bracketology was a total crapshoot and they guessed wrong when they began with Texas, Iowa, Tenn at 3, 4, 5.

They could have picked anyone else (except Oklahoma) down to LSU at 16 to round out the top 5 and had just as good a chance of being correct.

But then they compound the problem by overweighting wins over teams based on what turned out to be completely artificial inflated rankings such as the huge boost given to two B10 teams for beating a Tenn team that might not ever have belonged in the top 25. And it remains to be seen where Texas actually belonged too.

Will be interesting to see what happens to the top 2 after Sunday. They may just leave them at 1 and 2.

And what do you do with an LSU that looks very impressive but plays 12 games before they get around to facing a Power 5 team. Good bet they'll be 12-0 (and probably be ranked ahead of teams with a loss or two against genuine competition) but we still won't know if they're actually any good.

But then they'll go on relying on their totally flawed projections to inflate the rankings of teams who beat overranked opponents.

With the new free agency transfer paradigm, the reliance on previous year's performance is even more useless and misleading than usual. This year, starting at #3, it's complete guesswork. Yet the same inertia as usual will again make those wrong predictions and perceptions linger deep into the season.

It affects perceptions (if you repeat the hype often enough it assumes an air of legitimacy in the public consciousness) but thankfully doesn't matter much except at the margins of tournament selections and seeding. 68 teams will have a chance to become champion at season end by winning games on the court.


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PostPosted: 11/18/22 2:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

preseason polls are always a crap shoot, but even more so in the everybody-transfers-everywhere era.

So if Stanford gets beat by 12 it probably doesn't change their ranking. But if they get beat by 30? Hoping that doesn't happen but anything is possible. Personally I hope it's close but Stanford loses, just not huge, so SoCaro can go on having their monster egos....until it matters in March. Last year it was Henderson who beat us, and she isn't there...but then neither are our guards/wings from last year.

Any team that loses their PG - like Tenn and Texas - are obviously way worse than they would be with that PG. Tenn is always an enigma anyway. But I would think that the Texas-UConn game would have been even more competitive had Harmon been there. So some of it will depend on how long they are out.


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PostPosted: 11/18/22 8:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

myrtle wrote:
I wonder what the pollsters will do with this week's data. Get your popcorn out.


Kansas State about to make an appearance in the top 10 Laughing Laughing Laughing



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PostPosted: 11/19/22 8:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:
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But then they compound the problem by overweighting wins over teams based on what turned out to be completely artificial inflated rankings such as the huge boost given to two B10 teams for beating a Tenn team that might not ever have belonged in the top 25. And it remains to be seen where Texas actually belonged too.------------------------------------------------------

And what do you do with an LSU that looks very impressive but plays 12 games before they get around to facing a Power 5 team. Good bet they'll be 12-0 (and probably be ranked ahead of teams with a loss or two against genuine competition) but we still won't know if they're actually any good.------------------

But then they'll go on relying on their totally flawed projections to inflate the rankings of teams who beat overranked opponents.-------------

It affects perceptions (if you repeat the hype often enough it assumes an air of legitimacy in the public consciousness) but thankfully doesn't matter much except at the margins of tournament selections and seeding. 68 teams will have a chance to become champion at season end by winning games on the court.
That has long been the worst issue with the preseason polls. They have an affect for most of the season purely though the consequence of perpetuating the inital false perspective. This would be especially true of a team in a weak conference who had early wins against over rated teams. They could ride their ratings all the way into the NCAA bracket. .



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PostPosted: 11/19/22 11:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It gets even more fun after today. Most of the top teams who have actually played top teams have lost. And 2 more of the top ten will lose tomorrow. I predict a bunch of teams who have only played cupcakes will be moving way up - after all they are undefeated! Charlie is pulling his hair out.


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PostPosted: 11/20/22 2:05 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

What we've learned is that the pollsters and talking heads knew even less this season about who is good than we thought they did. Tenn and Texas are lucky if they actually belong in the top 15. Iowa and Louisville were annointed based on last year and their names. And of course the teams that beat them have received and will receive this week overblown boosts in their own standings even if those wins turn out in reality to be relatively underwhelming.

Myrtle said "Most of the top teams who have actually played top teams have lost." But more likely those supposed top teams who lost weren't actually top teams in the first place or at least weren't nearly as "top" as we were led to believe. And thus you can't assume that the teams who beat them were "top" just by reason of having beaten an over-hyped opponent.

The old complaint that they shouldn't have polls until about February actually holds true this season. Another byproduct of the free agency transfer-at-will era.


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PostPosted: 11/20/22 4:19 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

myrtle wrote:
It gets even more fun after today. Most of the top teams who have actually played top teams have lost. And 2 more of the top ten will lose tomorrow. I predict a bunch of teams who have only played cupcakes will be moving way up - after all they are undefeated! Charlie is pulling his hair out.



If top teams end up playing top teams, how would they get out of those unscathed?


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