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PostPosted: 11/18/22 9:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This is depressing: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/18/ik-2-mordovia-harsh-notorious-penal-colony-brittney-griner
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The US basketball star Brittney Griner will endure harsh conditions inside the remote Mordovian penal colony to which she has been sent this week to serve her nine-year prison sentence, human rights experts and former prisoners of the colony have said.

“Prisons in Mordovia are notoriously terrible, even by Russian standards. The prisons there are known for the harsh regimes and human rights violations,” said Olga Zeveleva, a sociologist at the University of Helsinki who specialises in Russian prison conditions as part of the Gulag Echoes project. “It is a place any prisoner wants to avoid,” Zeveleva said.

One popular saying among Russian female prisoners, underlining the grim reality that Griner is about to face, goes: “If you haven’t done time in Mordovia, you haven’t done time at all.”


I hope she is free soon…


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PostPosted: 11/21/22 4:28 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Another article, this one from Vice re: the prison she has been sent to, what her living conditions are like, what job assignments she’s likely to get.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/dy7ebw/inside-russian-penal-colony-brittney-griner?fbclid=IwAR1f4tQWBHTiNSAxUnKno_WuT8ALX6tvkhsvsulIa7-RMOOC3TIVkL9_4Nk



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PostPosted: 11/25/22 8:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

As Thanksgiving weekend is being celebrated all across the U.S., it is difficult to ponder that Brittney Griner was detained and arrested more than NINE months ago (Feb. 17th) and no definite end is in sight. So horrible, especially for Griner, her wife, and everyone close to her.



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PostPosted: 11/26/22 8:09 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Bob Lamm wrote:
As Thanksgiving weekend is being celebrated all across the U.S., it is difficult to ponder that Brittney Griner was detained and arrested more than NINE months ago (Feb. 17th) and no definite end is in sight. So horrible, especially for Griner, her wife, and everyone close to her.


Yes indeed it is...So incredibly sad! Prayerfully, there is some promising news soon.


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PostPosted: 11/26/22 5:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The prisons in Russia and many other nations are no joke. They make the prisons in the USA seem like resorts. Griner is in a bad situation now and wishing, hoping and being outrage will do no good. The Russians are going to do what they believe is in their best interests. She just happened to pick the wrong place at the wrong time to play basketball at. It was a high reward situation that, though circumstance, resulted into a high risk consequence.

Even though she chose to play for a Russian professional team and ended up being caught bringing unlawfull substances into Russia, the consequences of those choices, or in the case of the substance -carelessness, the situation she presently finds herself in was not realistically forseeable. So I am not of the mindset that "she made her bed so she can lie in it" perspective. I truely feel for her situation. However, I take a different tack from that point on.

I am of the mind that Griner deserves no no better or worse consideration than any other human being. It's called equality people. Real equality and not some selective process used to carry out our own personal self serving agendas whether they be socially or emotionally driven. People have the right to their own criterias and motivations, however, they should be honest about them and not pretend to be motivated by pure justice or altruistic intent. Intent is everything. Would we care about some else's situation if it were not Griner?



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PostPosted: 11/26/22 9:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

willtalk wrote:
Would we care about some else's situation if it were not Griner?


Since I have posted often on this thread, including two comments above yours, I will answer your question. Obviously only for myself.

I've lived in New York City since 1970 and vividly remember the deadly 1971 storming of Attica State Prison ordered by Nelson Rockefeller, then our governor. I know Cinda Firestone, who directed a powerful 1974 documentary, ATTICA, which I strongly recommend. I've cared about the treatment of people in U.S. prisons for a long while. I can document that but I won't.

I have a friend, a gay activist, who had to leave Russia some years ago because his life was in danger. He can't return to his homeland while Putin is in power. He may never be able to return. I am well aware that Brittney Griner isn't the only person facing horrible conditions in Russian prisons--and that life for many Russians outside of prison is also quite rough.

I care about Brittney Griner, but also about the lives of many others who aren't famous. I've joined picket lines in New York four times in the last two weeks to support striking workers and will be back on a picket line on Monday.

I hope you will personally answer your own question. But please note that I have no criticism for any basketball fans here or elsewhere who care deeply about Brittney Griner and not as much about 1000 other human rights issues.



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PostPosted: 11/27/22 12:58 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

willtalk wrote:
Would we care about some else's situation if it were not Griner?


Would we even know about it if it were someone else?



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PostPosted: 11/29/22 5:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I’d argue that a major reason BG is in the position she’s in, is because of who she is.

Russia let a girl come home after a few weeks for the same charge.



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PostPosted: 11/30/22 7:56 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

mercfan3 wrote:
I’d argue that a major reason BG is in the position she’s in, is because of who she is.

Russia let a girl come home after a few weeks for the same charge.


And iirc, she was in possession of a lot more drugs. No doubt about it, BG is a political prisoner.



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PostPosted: 12/05/22 12:14 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

scullyfu wrote:
mercfan3 wrote:
I’d argue that a major reason BG is in the position she’s in, is because of who she is.

Russia let a girl come home after a few weeks for the same charge.


And iirc, she was in possession of a lot more drugs. No doubt about it, BG is a political prisoner.


It's so damn confusing...Russia let two American men go in September with no charges, after they were captured by Russian troops fighting alongside the Urkanians.



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PostPosted: 12/06/22 11:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

mercfan3 wrote:
I’d argue that a major reason BG is in the position she’s in, is because of who she is.

Russia let a girl come home after a few weeks for the same charge.


Do you have a name or link for this, Mercfan? I hadn't heard this before.
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PostPosted: 12/08/22 8:13 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

BRIT IS FREE!!!

BG is out of Russia!!! She’s being exchanged for Victor Bout.

She is being medically evaluated & debriefed by the State Dept. before she can come home. WH has been in touch with her wife. Deal was reached a week ago, but just announced due to details.

Happy Holidays indeed.



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PostPosted: 12/08/22 8:14 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

scullyfu wrote:
BRIT IS FREE!!!

BG is out of Russia!!! She’s being exchanged for Victor Bout.

She is being medically evaluated & debriefed by the State Dept. before she can come home. WH has been in touch with her wife. Deal was reached a week ago, but just announced due to details.

Happy Holidays indeed.


WAHOOOOOOOOOOO. BG!!!!! I just burst into tears.


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PostPosted: 12/08/22 8:18 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I just read about it too!!! Praise God!!

I'm sad to see that Whalen wasn't included though. I hope they will be able to help him, as well!

https://www.cbsnews.com/live-updates/brittney-griner-release-russia-prisoner-swap-viktor-bout/


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PostPosted: 12/08/22 8:19 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Gracious! I guess I'm so excited that I can't work tech properly today!!

So happy for her!


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PostPosted: 12/08/22 8:28 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Hallelujah!!!!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63905112

Yes, I hoped Whelan would be freed as well. Hope he is next.



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PostPosted: 12/08/22 8:44 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Omg praise the lord what a way to start the day. BG is free



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PostPosted: 12/08/22 9:07 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

This is a very good news! I’ve got chills!


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PostPosted: 12/08/22 9:15 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

💜💜💜
Wonderful news!!!!



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PostPosted: 12/08/22 9:18 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Yay!



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PostPosted: 12/08/22 9:51 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

PRAISE THE LORD!!!!!


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PostPosted: 12/08/22 10:07 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ive never been so happy to see a thread come to its last day. Thank you all who have contributed positivity in bringing our girl home !! True fans will rejoice today and breath a bit easier. The ones who are upset about her return should keep the same energy if she chooses to return to the WNBA.



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PostPosted: 12/08/22 10:10 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Yeah, it's not really over until this thread is unstickied



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PostPosted: 12/08/22 10:19 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Anyone notice these entire 10 months how BG's dad nor mom have said anything or spoken to the media at all . I honestly did not even think about how they were feeling during this time after the whole BG vs her father story of her coming out and not being on the same page. One could not help but think they were hurting for their baby being imprisoned and afraid and now they get a chance to rejoice in happiness and another chance to fix any issues that kept them a far previously ?



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PostPosted: 12/08/22 10:22 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

YES!!!! BG WILL BE FREE!!!


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