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Yes because he has been dealt a bad hand and they are winning games. Imagine if he had Jessika Carter, Rickea Jackson, Denae Carter, and maybe I'm missing a few but they are undersized and lack depth but still look competent.
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| Posted: 02/12/22 1:43 pm ::: |
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Yes because he has been dealt a bad hand and they are winning games. Imagine if he had Jessika Carter, Rickea Jackson, Denae Carter, and maybe I'm missing a few but they are undersized and lack depth but still look competent. |
How many are graduating or transferring? Who has he recruited? Those questions need to be answered first.
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| Posted: 02/12/22 3:00 pm ::: |
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Yes because he has been dealt a bad hand and they are winning games. Imagine if he had Jessika Carter, Rickea Jackson, Denae Carter, and maybe I'm missing a few but they are undersized and lack depth but still look competent. |
How many are graduating or transferring? Who has he recruited? Those questions need to be answered first. |
Recruiting will be the big question, I think. He’s been removed from the region for awhile so he will need to establish connections and/or hire assistants that have the connections to AAU and local programs. This program has lost its luster from when Vic was here and able to attract top talent. In two years time it has gone from being a program reload to a program rebuild.
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| Posted: 02/12/22 3:28 pm ::: |
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Yes because he has been dealt a bad hand and they are winning games. Imagine if he had Jessika Carter, Rickea Jackson, Denae Carter, and maybe I'm missing a few but they are undersized and lack depth but still look competent. |
How many are graduating or transferring? Who has he recruited? Those questions need to be answered first. |
He is the interim coach he doesn't really have much of an opportunity to recruit new players with no long term contract. He retained a high school recruit who committed a year or two ago and he added transfer from Michigan State that had some good offers. If he can coach you just give him the chance to hire a good staff to help with recruiting?
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| Posted: 02/12/22 9:59 pm ::: |
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| I think it's time for TCU's coach seat to start percolating
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It's about damn time. Never could understand why they hired her in the first place, considering that she nearly damaged the ODU program beyond repair! But they're keeping her crazy wife/partner/whatever she is, after Delaware fired her for what she did up there? They really don't care about WBB. (And forget EDD, she was an aberration. Delaware has recovered under a new coach.)
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It's about damn time. Never could understand why they hired her in the first place, considering that she nearly damaged the ODU program beyond repair! But they're keeping her crazy wife/partner/whatever she is, after Delaware fired her for what she did up there? They really don't care about WBB. (And forget EDD, she was an aberration. Delaware has recovered under a new coach.) |
Well, Karen did have a VERY nice season, 3 years ago.....and Tina, fwiw, really didn't gut Delaware. She was just not .... good. I remember a friend of mine, who is a season ticket holder there, told me that he could tell EDD was doing most of the coaching in games. 
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| Posted: 02/15/22 2:52 pm ::: |
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It's about damn time. Never could understand why they hired her in the first place, considering that she nearly damaged the ODU program beyond repair! But they're keeping her crazy wife/partner/whatever she is, after Delaware fired her for what she did up there? They really don't care about WBB. (And forget EDD, she was an aberration. Delaware has recovered under a new coach.) |
Well, Karen did have a VERY nice season, 3 years ago.....and Tina, fwiw, really didn't gut Delaware. She was just not .... good. I remember a friend of mine, who is a season ticket holder there, told me that he could tell EDD was doing most of the coaching in games. |
Karen's "very nice season" consisted mostly of staying out of the basement of the CAA, which was being occupied by College of Charleston at the time. I'm CAA so I remember it. However, CoC has risen from the depths, so...! And as for Tina, it's not that she gutted Delaware, it's stuff she did while there that had nothing to do with coaching...insisting on certain "counseling" for some of her players, IIRC, and stuff like that. She came off as not only not a good coach, but not a very nice person.
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| I take it back, they finished 4th (on percentage points) that year with an 11-7 record but it's the only year they did. They were pretty much a one-player show, IIRC. The next year they were right back to their losing ways and it's been all downhill since. Right now they're 0-11 in the conference and 3-18 overall.
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| Posted: 02/15/22 11:58 pm ::: |
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It's about damn time. Never could understand why they hired her in the first place, considering that she nearly damaged the ODU program beyond repair! But they're keeping her crazy wife/partner/whatever she is, after Delaware fired her for what she did up there? They really don't care about WBB. (And forget EDD, she was an aberration. Delaware has recovered under a new coach.) |
I'm curious. Why is Martin "crazy" rather than say, a bad coach, if that's what you think? And why the "whatever she is"? Would you refer to Kellie Harper's husband as "whatever he is" if you felt the way about him as you do Tina Martin?
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It's about damn time. Never could understand why they hired her in the first place, considering that she nearly damaged the ODU program beyond repair! But they're keeping her crazy wife/partner/whatever she is, after Delaware fired her for what she did up there? They really don't care about WBB. (And forget EDD, she was an aberration. Delaware has recovered under a new coach.) |
I'm curious. Why is Martin "crazy" rather than say, a bad coach, if that's what you think? And why the "whatever she is"? Would you refer to Kellie Harper's husband as "whatever he is" if you felt the way about him as you do Tina Martin? |
I'm not STB, but I think point one was addressed about midway through this article: https://www.delawareonline.com/story/sports/college/ud/2017/05/16/tresolini-delaware-ad-answered-players-wants-needs-new-coach/323536001/
But I think something might have gotten lost in translation re: point 2, unless the Delaware bench was having a much more interesting time of things off the court than we thought.
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| Posted: 02/16/22 2:24 pm ::: |
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It's about damn time. Never could understand why they hired her in the first place, considering that she nearly damaged the ODU program beyond repair! But they're keeping her crazy wife/partner/whatever she is, after Delaware fired her for what she did up there? They really don't care about WBB. (And forget EDD, she was an aberration. Delaware has recovered under a new coach.) |
I'm curious. Why is Martin "crazy" rather than say, a bad coach, if that's what you think? And why the "whatever she is"? Would you refer to Kellie Harper's husband as "whatever he is" if you felt the way about him as you do Tina Martin? |
I'm not STB, but I think point one was addressed about midway through this article: https://www.delawareonline.com/story/sports/college/ud/2017/05/16/tresolini-delaware-ad-answered-players-wants-needs-new-coach/323536001/
But I think something might have gotten lost in translation re: point 2, unless the Delaware bench was having a much more interesting time of things off the court than we thought. |
Thanks, Queenie. And there's this part, down in the article, which is what I was referring to:
Several years ago, some ex-players said, they were required to attend counseling sessions with Virginia Hayes, Martin’s wife. They were done for “team-building” purposes, said Joy Caracciolo, who was among several players who became uncomfortable with the practice because they felt Hayes shared private information with Martin.
Not to mention accusations of bullying and belittling. But the fact remains that she's just a bad coach. Also she has a real thin skin.in foreign arenas--when the JMU pep band used to dangle or wave blue rubber chickens (back when she was the Delaware coach) she would get apoplectic and complain to the refs about it. I have no doubt that pep band members are now looking for green ones (in lieu of seahawks, since those are scarce) just to get under her skin.
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How long is Kara Lawson's grace period?
Duke was ranked 15 or 16 for several weeks but are pretty much in free fall now, losing 6 of their last 8 and standing an excellent chance of missing the tournament altogether. Creme said the loser of the upcoming Duke-BC game is probably out. And now Duke has even lost to UVA - likely Virginia's only ACC win of the year.
I assume she's not on the hot seat this year, but I also think the expectations for restoring the Duke program were pretty high. Duke is 6-9 in the ACC and stands an excellent chance of getting to 11 losses. McCallie only hit 10 losses once in 13 years. At this point, I don't think you can underperform Joanne P. McCallie and expect to keep your job for long.
It doesn't help that Courtney Banghart is doing a better job down the road at hated UNC.
Interesting lessons on schools passing on Banghart for several years over doubts whether a highly succesful Ivy League head coach could coach or recruit at an elite P5 level. She seems to be doing well. Maybe coaching success is a better indicator than playing experience or celebrity status.
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| Posted: 02/18/22 9:18 am ::: |
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| I realize we live in the era of Veruca Salt, where everything has to be NOW NOW NOW, but a sample size of 25 games seems a little small to drop someone into a hot seat thread.
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How long is Kara Lawson's grace period?
Duke was ranked 15 or 16 for several weeks but are pretty much in free fall now, losing 6 of their last 8 and standing an excellent chance of missing the tournament altogether. Creme said the loser of the upcoming Duke-BC game is probably out. And now Duke has even lost to UVA - likely Virginia's only ACC win of the year.
I assume she's not on the hot seat this year, but I also think the expectations for restoring the Duke program were pretty high. Duke is 6-9 in the ACC and stands an excellent chance of getting to 11 losses. McCallie only hit 10 losses once in 13 years. At this point, I don't think you can underperform Joanne P. McCallie and expect to keep your job for long.
It doesn't help that Courtney Banghart is doing a better job down the road at hated UNC.
Interesting lessons on schools passing on Banghart for several years over doubts whether a highly succesful Ivy League head coach could coach or recruit at an elite P5 level. She seems to be doing well. Maybe coaching success is a better indicator than playing experience or celebrity status. |
Though I was/am leery about the Lawson hire, I don't think Lawson should be on the hot seat, not yet anyway. We'll see how things work out in the next couple of years.
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| Posted: 02/18/22 11:12 am ::: |
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| I realize we live in the era of Veruca Salt, where everything has to be NOW NOW NOW, but a sample size of 25 games seems a little small to drop someone into a hot seat thread. |
....and isn't this actually her FIRST complete season? Duke sat down early into the season of Covid, so she hasn't even really finished one entire season yet.
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| Posted: 02/18/22 11:40 am ::: |
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| Agree on her not being on the hot seat at all, but losing to Virginia (and by double digits) is not something I expected.
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| Posted: 02/18/22 12:55 pm ::: |
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| I realize we live in the era of Veruca Salt, where everything has to be NOW NOW NOW, but a sample size of 25 games seems a little small to drop someone into a hot seat thread. |
....and isn't this actually her FIRST complete season? Duke sat down early into the season of Covid, so she hasn't even really finished one entire season yet. |
Yup. That 25-game sample size includes the 4 games from last year.
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| Posted: 02/18/22 1:34 pm ::: |
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All of which of course is a why I said:
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| I assume she's not on the hot seat this year, . . . |
And posed a QUESTION:
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| How long is Kara Lawson's grace period? |
Yet people lash out at my post as if I was calling for security to escort her off the campus this morning.
It seems like a legitimate question for this thread, considering the hype surrounding her hire and Duke's fading performance. Unless someone is proposing an entirely new "too soon for the hot seat but on the watch list" thread, which seems kind of pointless to me. It's not like this thread is being overwhelmed with current hot seat discussion.
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