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J-Spoon · Posted: 09/25/21 12:22 pm :::

I like the Hines-Allen idea

However considering she is a RFA I do not see Washington giving her up for nothing. Even if they can't afford to keep her (assuming they go after Charles or Meesseman with bigger money) there will still be someone out there willing to trade for her. Because of Washington's cap situation the return has to be rookie scale contracts or picks. NY has a decent amount of the first but I don't see Washington giving up Hines-Allen for Shook, Jones, Willoughby or Odom.

Conclusion if we want Hines-Allen who is a good fit and probably one of our better chances to move up the ladder what are we willing to give up. My calculation we would have to do the #5 pick for Hines-Allen, so should we do it? If not, what do you think we could get her for, a near max deal that Washington would be afraid to match? Our first round pick in 23? Onyenwere?

root_thing · Posted: 09/25/21 1:06 pm :::

J-Spoon · Posted: 09/25/21 1:41 pm :::

Because of the way cap space has tightened up sign and trades seem like they are becoming more common even for UFA

If Washington can find a partner that MHA is happy with a sign and trade seems very likely and for the team she is going to it would be a guaranteed rather than a maybe.

It could also be dangerous to wait out Washington because as Washington commits their cap so will the other teams who knows what would be left and from whom unless Hines-Allen is pretty confident in her market.

I don't see a team getting MHA for nothing unless they offer her a big deal. NY could make that offer, so could Atl, Dallas, (Chicago if they blow everything up) it will be interesting to see how it plays out. I am not confident that NY will be able to get MHA unless it comes at a price.

Would I trade the #5 pick for MHA if it worked for all parties? Maybe. MHA is probably one of the better shots NY has at larger improvement, but we would have to see who is available in the draft. Bringing in the vets this year is why we improved, so it might be worth the risk.

root_thing · Posted: 09/25/21 2:17 pm :::

I think that's the assumption -- that MHA will get a lot of money. The question is how far up the range do they want to go? Laney was lucky to cash in right after her big year. Unfortunately for Hines-Allen, she is coming off a season where she missed 14 games and her numbers are significantly down. Laney also had the extra service year, which qualified her for more than ordinary max. So, MHA will definitely get less than Laney. The question is who will bid up her price? Which teams want MHA and can also afford a high salary? She's an odd-sized player who fits the Liberty style but might not be ideal everywhere. Also, from the player's point of view, she is from New Jersey and has said in interviews that she grew up a Liberty fan. You would think, all things considered, that she'd strongly lean toward New York if she were to leave Washington.

In terms of waiting things out, it's unlikely to come to that. NY can send MHA an offer sheet, and once she signs it the clock starts. Washington has 4 days to match or lose her.

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Cooper2009 · Posted: 09/25/21 2:34 pm :::

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Stormeo · Posted: 09/25/21 3:57 pm :::

Hebard as an acquisition makes all the sense in the world, but I just don't think Chicago would give her up. Yeah, she's their 5th post now, but that will change. Dolson almost certainly will walk if nothing else but for salary/salary cap reasons. Ndour will be a free agent as well, and she didn't have a good season so the Sky may let her go (again); even if they chose to re-sign Ndour, Hebard already moves up to 4th post with Dolson's departure. And then both Parker and Stevens are only signed through 2022. Chicago's only controllable players beyond 2022 are Hebard and Evans. Who really knows, but one would think the Sky would want to keep those two.

root_thing · Posted: 09/25/21 4:34 pm :::

There's no doubt that the vast majority of people on Rebkell have Dolson leaving Chicago -- especially Sky fans. Laughing

But if you watched the playoff game against Dallas, it was Dolson who was in there at crunch time -- not Stevens. Remember, the lead had dwindled from 21 to 3 or 4 so it was panic time. That tells you who Wade really trusts. Also, I think it was after the LVA game on Sept 17, Wade was asked why he didn't use Quigley more. His answer was that Dolson wasn't available and that Quigley is much more effective when she has Stef setting screens. Now, I know that Dolson has missed a lot of games over the years. I'm sure Quigley had good games without her, but you wonder how much Wade believes his own answer or if he was just making up shit to satisfy the reporters. Smile

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Stormeo · Posted: 09/25/21 9:23 pm :::

pilight · Posted: 09/25/21 9:58 pm :::

Not many of us left from the days of the ESPN board.

There are a few threads about RebKell history if you care to search for them.

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Queenie · Posted: 09/25/21 10:41 pm :::

Bob Lamm · Posted: 09/25/21 11:31 pm :::

NYL_WNBA_FAN · Posted: 09/26/21 5:55 am :::

Re: the Dolson/Hebard discussion. The ability to replace Dolson with a younger/cheaper player with similar attributes might be enticing. #5 for Hebard might make that a reality.

Something else to consider. You have the 10 roster players under contract. #5, or an acquired player, would be 11. I think Johannes is likely to return. She’d be 12. I think we all agree a free agent/trade for RFA is likely. That would leave the roster at either 12 or 13. That’s not including if Durr comes back. That doesn’t even consider Han. That eliminates the second round pick. There’s also the possibility of re-signing Bec, which gets you back to 11. Things have just kind of necessitated how the Libs roster has wound up the last few years. At some point what they consider to be their depth will necessitate more significant player movement. I wouldn’t expect Durr to come back, but with so many unknowns with Covid, who’s to say that there won’t be a medication that makes her feel better?

Whatever happens, at some point, be it ‘22 or ‘23, significant decisions will need to be made about their young/upside players.

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Bob Lamm · Posted: 09/26/21 8:35 am :::

bluedevilaztecfan5 · Posted: 09/26/21 12:06 pm :::

Randy · Posted: 09/26/21 2:04 pm :::

Shook actually improved her shooting (esp. 3 point) this season. Her minutes increases despite being used less after the break. Her rebounding and assists were also up a bit on a per minute basis. It's odd she went from being a starter to a little used reserve and NY was winning games when she was starting and mainly losing when she didn't start. Seems like if NY doesn't want her, someone else would. (Of course, I might be a bit biased by having seen her outplay the Dream starting center.....

Jones stats do show she declined but might still get picked up by some team. She might well be a player that needs to be on an expansion team to get enough minutes to develop.

NYL_WNBA_FAN · Posted: 09/27/21 7:28 pm :::

Bob Lamm · Posted: 09/27/21 9:25 pm :::

J-Spoon · Posted: 09/27/21 10:02 pm :::

Bring back R. Allen yes or no?

Bob Lamm · Posted: 09/27/21 11:09 pm :::

bluedevilaztecfan5 · Posted: 09/28/21 9:23 am :::

myrtle · Posted: 09/28/21 12:45 pm :::

myrtle · Posted: 09/28/21 12:54 pm :::

Also, I like Onyenwere but think she could/should probably be used as a trade pawn while her value is relatively high.

Maybe Onyenwere to LA for Vadeeva if you think she will be coming back over.

Bob Lamm · Posted: 09/28/21 1:24 pm :::

One of the issues about Rebecca Allen's Liberty future is the cost of bringing her back. Which feeds into the issue of how much she'd play. For 15 minutes off the bench, Allen would surely be a big plus... but that could be a prohibitive cost if you plan to use her for only 15 minutes.

I agree with myrtle that Onyenwere could be traded. If Kolb and Hopkins actually want to get one or two good post players (I believe they need to get two), then almost surely they will need to consider trades. Michaela Onyenwere is an obvious trade chip; the Liberty don't have all that many. I'm NOT advocating trading her, but I wouldn't make her untouchable.

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