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Shades
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 Posted: 08/04/19 3:25 pm ::: |
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| Charles seems to think her taking a tough contested shot is better than giving it up to look for a better shot.
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| Posted: 08/04/19 3:29 pm ::: |
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| Charles seems to think her taking a tough contested shot is better than giving it up to look for a better shot. |
In a way, you can't blame her. It looks like across the board every player for CT is better than their opposing player...except for Tina. NY looks really pathetic.
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| Posted: 08/04/19 3:29 pm ::: |
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| Lol That turnover by Wright was so lazy its like she didn't care
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| Posted: 08/04/19 3:42 pm ::: |
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| This one's over, put Han Xu in already!
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| Posted: 08/04/19 3:44 pm ::: |
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| PG Zahui
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| Posted: 08/04/19 3:48 pm ::: |
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| Lol Zahui doing fadaways now, hey its better then a turnover
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| Posted: 08/04/19 3:53 pm ::: |
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| we want Xu!
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| Posted: 08/04/19 4:01 pm ::: |
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| Katie is such a bad coach
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Shades
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| Posted: 08/04/19 4:03 pm ::: |
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94-79 CON final
At least Zahui seems to be back now.
Johannes was 0-6 today. Let the minute-reduction/trade/cut talks begin....
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LibFan25
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| Posted: 08/04/19 4:08 pm ::: |
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| Katie is such a bad coach |
Mhm Tell me about it...but this game is mostly all CT Sun
And ofcourse the 17 turnovers...and bad shooting except Tina
Only positive Charles had a nice game, still fadeaways drive me crazy at times
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| Posted: 08/04/19 4:18 pm ::: |
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| 17 TOs. 4-22 from 3. Poor D. Wright & Durr were useless. Another game where we got behind in the first quarter and never rebounded. The rest of the game we kept pace, but we can't have these games where we get off to these slow starts all the time.
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| Posted: 08/04/19 4:27 pm ::: |
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| toad455 wrote: |
| 17 TOs. 4-22 from 3. Poor D. Wright & Durr were useless. Another game where we got behind in the first quarter and never rebounded. The rest of the game we kept pace, but we can't have these games where we get off to these slow starts all the time. |
Wright startin to look old now, time to close up shop
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| Posted: 08/04/19 5:59 pm ::: |
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| Adanet wrote: |
| Katie is such a bad coach |
Mhm Tell me about it...but this game is mostly all CT Sun
And ofcourse the 17 turnovers...and bad shooting except Tina
Only positive Charles had a nice game, still fadeaways drive me crazy at times |
No. She has the girls all crazy, changing roles rotations and "5"s constantly, they can't settle, they can't play
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| Posted: 08/04/19 6:53 pm ::: |
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| Adanet wrote: |
| Katie is such a bad coach |
Mhm Tell me about it...but this game is mostly all CT Sun
And ofcourse the 17 turnovers...and bad shooting except Tina
Only positive Charles had a nice game, still fadeaways drive me crazy at times |
No. She has the girls all crazy, changing roles rotations and "5"s constantly, they can't settle, they can't play |
I give her props for trying to switch it up a bit, The Sun is a really good team. They take care of the ball with great ball movement, they know what their identity is.
The funny thing is with all these blow-outs they still have a chance to turn this thing around but time is ticking
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| Posted: 08/04/19 9:10 pm ::: |
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| toad455 wrote: |
| 17 TOs. 4-22 from 3. Poor D. Wright & Durr were useless. Another game where we got behind in the first quarter and never rebounded. The rest of the game we kept pace, but we can't have these games where we get off to these slow starts all the time. |
Wright startin to look old now, time to close up shop |
I still say Wright should retire and become their new assistant next season.
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| Posted: 08/04/19 11:41 pm ::: |
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20 points, 10 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 steals, 2 blocks, only 1 turnover. The rest of the team providing almost nothing. Tina Charles did everything she could to carry the team today. But aside from Amanda Zahui B, whose minutes were limited by foul trouble, and Bria Hartley, whose minutes were limited because she was the third point guard off the bench, the rest of the Liberty gave Tina zero support.
Tina was double-teamed right from the start today; that hasn't always been the case lately. She still had a monster game, and did it against a very good team. Yeah, she's slowing down. But she's still capable of doing this, and still does it enough to be, by far, the best player on the Liberty.
It's games like this that show that Boyd is no better an option at point guard than Hartley. For every Hartley disaster where Boyd is almost playable, there's a game like this. Tanisha Wright is nothing more than someone you insert for a few minutes of stabillity and common sense; she's too old to lean on her with heavy minutes. The Liberty point guard situation is terrible. Is there another team whose PG situation is any worse?
Wright + Boyd + Hartley: 5 assists in 40 minutes
Johannes: 4 assists in 18 minutes
Johannes's minutes weren't all that impressive to me tonight, but maybe it's still a decent idea to try her at the point based on this. On the other hand, perhaps the Liberty want to develop her by pairing her with a point guard (no matter how bad) rather than having her be the point. We still need a starting shooting guard until either Durr or Johannes step up. Durr had another invisible night. It's probably related to the groin injury in this instance, but it's not like Asia has seamlessly worked her way into the Liberty lineup as a rookie. Johannes may be needed at the 2, maybe even in the future.
Personally, I'd like to see them try Johannes at the point as a last ditch attempt to make the playoffs. If it doesn't work, she can go back to focusing on what she really is. But right now, she's on a team where the situation at point guard is absolutely rock bottom. Let's see how versatile she can be.
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| Posted: 08/05/19 12:15 am ::: |
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I have a ton of stuff going on right now so I’m late to the party. But I’m just done. Done. Done. I couldn’t get to the game today due to a variety of circumstances but watched most of it. First off clearly they changed the offense to balance it out. They proceeded to get great looks early on that they bricked all first quarter. Couple that with CT’s potency and smelling blood because we can’t defend. And there you go. I’m disgusted and I’m tired of analyzing and whatever else.
Except to say yes our PG situation is horrible. Right now our C position is too. Not even sure how much you can blame on coaching if you’re getting nothing out of two positions.
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| Posted: 08/05/19 1:32 am ::: |
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| First off clearly they changed the offense to balance it out. They proceeded to get great looks early on that they bricked all first quarter |
Very true, and as you said, it's hard to blame the coaching when that happens. Except when you consider that this is what happens when nobody improves from last year. Some of that is definitely on the coaching.
It also seems to me like Katie's motivational skills are nothing compared to Bill Laimbeer's. So while it's hard to blame the coaching, I'm going to do it anyway. I am done with Katie Smith and her legacy of uninspired losing. I've been done with it since the end of last season.
Coming off the All-Star break, we had a terrible team on the road, and a top team at home. The kinds of games good teams win. The Liberty didn't even compete.
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Bob Lamm
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| Posted: 08/05/19 5:20 am ::: |
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| Very true, and as you said, it's hard to blame the coaching when that happens. Except when you consider that this is what happens when nobody improves from last year. Some of that is definitely on the coaching. |
One of our players improved enough to go from being a rookie to an All Star starter. And I'd say that Zahui B has improved as well, though for whatever reasons her level of play has obviously fallen significantly since before she left for Europe.
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| Posted: 08/05/19 7:31 am ::: |
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| NY really needs Sabrina, bad.
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| Posted: 08/05/19 7:36 am ::: |
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| NY really needs Sabrina, bad. |
I've been saying for years now that their weakest position has been at PG. The Boyd experiment is over. She's only an adequate backup. I think getting Ionescu in 2020 will greatly change the structure of the Liberty.
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| Posted: 08/05/19 8:11 am ::: |
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| NY really needs Sabrina, bad. |
I've been saying for years now that their weakest position has been at PG. The Boyd experiment is over. She's only an adequate backup. I think getting Ionescu in 2020 will greatly change the structure of the Liberty. |
Well it was obvious from the off-season of how long it took to resign Boyd and they tried to upgrade the PG spot by trying to sign Natasha Cloud to a offer sheet.
but Washington smartly matched ofcourse. She is one of the best PG in the W
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| Posted: 08/05/19 9:36 am ::: |
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| Charles seems to think her taking a tough contested shot is better than giving it up to look for a better shot. |
In a way, you can't blame her. It looks like across the board every player for CT is better than their opposing player...except for Tina. NY looks really pathetic. |
That was going to be my comment ... we can complain about Katie Smith all we want, but in this game, every Connecticut player is better than every similar New York player.
Also, I watched Johannes pretty carefully for a while -- she seems lost defensively at this level right now, but there's no reason she can't get better at that end of the floor.
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I'd love for 2020 for us to look like this:
PG: Ionescu/Johannes
SG: Durr/#16 pick
SF: Nurse/Allen/FA
PF: Charles/Gray/Raincock-Ekwunwe
C: Zahui B/Stokes or a FA
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Certainly fewer turnovers will help. However, if your ballhandler is being trapped and no teammate flashes open to receive a pass, then I'm not sure it matters who is playing PG. I've seen a lot of trapping from opponents lately, and NY as a team does not react well to the pressure. That's another problem the coaching staff has to focus on fixing.