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WNBA Mock Draft Big Board 3.0: Knock-on effects as free agency arrives
https://highposthoops.com/2019/01/28/wnba-mock-draft-big-board-3-0-knock-on-effects-as-free-agency-arrives/
(Analysis at link. Probably not worth the trip.)
1. Las Vegas Aces: Katie Lou Samuelson, 6’3 G/F, Connecticut
2. New York Liberty: Asia Durr, 5’10 G, Louisville
3. Indiana Fever: Teaira McCowan, 6’7 C, Mississippi State
4. Chicago Sky: Arike Ogunbowale, 5’8 G, Notre Dame
While I have always stuck with BPA for CHI, what is this crap?
5. Dallas Wings: Kalani Brown, 6’7 C, Baylor
Megdal went away from BPA for Chicago so a Cambage replacement would conveniently fall to Dallas.
This isn’t good analysis. This is shameless pandering to Dallas fans.
6. Minnesota Lynx: Jessica Shepard, 6’4 F, Notre Dame
7. Los Angeles Sparks: Napheesa Collier, 6’1 F, Connecticut
8. Phoenix Mercury: Alanna Smith, 6’4 F, Stanford
9. Connecticut Sun: Ezi Magbegor, 6’4 F/C, Australia
10. Washington Mystics: Anriel Howard, 5’11 F, Mississippi State
11. Atlanta Dream: Kristine Anigwe, 6’4 F, California
If you look at his analysis, once again he forgets that Breland is on the team.
12. Seattle Storm: Sophie Cunningham, 6’1 G/F, Missouri
Also in the first-round mix
Brianna Turner, Notre Dame
Marina Mabrey, Notre Dame
Megan Gustafson, Iowa
Kitija Laksa, South Florida
Obviously he forgot she is out with an ACL.
Kennedy Leonard, Colorado
I think I have her at bottom of third round.
Some sleepers I’m keeping an eye on
Courtney Zezza, St. Francis PA
Danielle King, Marquette
Miranda Drummond, Syracuse
Ashton Millender, DePaul
Jenna Allen, Michigan State
Laura Ferreira, South Florida
Bridget Carleton, Iowa State
Natasha Hiedeman, Marquette
Hmmm.... he never mentioned her before.
And her name is “Natisha”. Ms Hiedeman, if you’re nasty.
I think there may be a future for Megdal at WNBA.com.
Cierra Dillard, Buffalo
This one should be “In first round mix” over both Leonard and Laksa.
Hallie Thome, Michigan
Jess Kovatch, St. Francis PA
Ayana Mitchell, LSU
Regan Magarity, Virginia Tech
Alexis Jennings, South Carolina
Bianca Cuevas-Moore, South Carolina
Alicia Froling, SMU
Jordan Moore, TCU
Taylor Murray, Kentucky
Kayla Goth, Kansas State
Maite Cazorla, Oregon
Laia Raventos, UNC Charlotte
Paris Kea, UNC
He better list her last. 
The Lynx have 5 draft picks, so Bell should make some list.
CRob should be a sleeper since I expect she’ll get drafted.
It’s funny how he doesn’t recognize international players other than the most obvious one, Magbegor.
He ignored international players last year too.
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| Posted: 01/29/19 6:58 am ::: |
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Shades,
I don't see anything wrong with his picks....😅😋😎
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| Posted: 01/29/19 7:28 am ::: |
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| Boo. I don't like Jessica Shepard. Reeve probably knows who my favorite players are, which is why her number one priority last season consisted of not keeping Montgomery and getting rid of Howard (even though she is one the league's biggest superstars and getting rid of her would guarantee the Storm win multiple titles and the Lynx never win again) only so she can tank for Shepard when Lynx could get her or someone better at the end of the 1st round if they didn't tank last season and be so much better off. 😂
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| Posted: 01/29/19 11:51 pm ::: |
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| Jess Shephard is a very good (not great) college player who has little chance of success in the WNBA. She is undersized as a five, and lacks the athleticism to be a four. Even in college, she is not a very strong defender, without much foot speed (Jess and Maybry are the two main reasons that Notre Dame is a shaky defensive team forced to rely on the zone). Most of her success on offense is with good inside work that will have little chance vs the superior athleticism in the W. Placing her higher in the draft than UConn's Collier is laughable.
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| canadaball wrote: |
| Jess Shephard is a very good (not great) college player who has little chance of success in the WNBA. She is undersized as a five, and lacks the athleticism to be a four. Even in college, she is not a very strong defender, without much foot speed (Jess and Maybry are the two main reasons that Notre Dame is a shaky defensive team forced to rely on the zone). Most of her success on offense is with good inside work that will have little chance vs the superior athleticism in the W. Placing her higher in the draft than UConn's Collier is laughable. |
What attributes does Collier posses that will make her more successful than shepard in the WNBA again ?
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| Posted: 01/30/19 11:13 am ::: |
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| WNBA 09 wrote: |
| canadaball wrote: |
| Jess Shephard is a very good (not great) college player who has little chance of success in the WNBA. She is undersized as a five, and lacks the athleticism to be a four. Even in college, she is not a very strong defender, without much foot speed (Jess and Maybry are the two main reasons that Notre Dame is a shaky defensive team forced to rely on the zone). Most of her success on offense is with good inside work that will have little chance vs the superior athleticism in the W. Placing her higher in the draft than UConn's Collier is laughable. |
What attributes does Collier posses that will make her more successful than shepard in the WNBA again ? |
I was not particularly waving the flag for Collier, rather than denigrating Shephard as a high draft pick. Collier was used b/c the writer had her lower than Jess. That said, Voepel (see above) is out with her draft projections, and puts Collier way down at #12, which is also laughable; at least she puts Shephard in the 2nd round. Her main knock is weak 3 point shooting, but I see Napheesa as a relatively small 4 who can handle, jump, move, defend, and shoot from 10-15 feet. Come to think of it, does that not match the pedigree of other UConn alums like Olympians Cash,and Jones?
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| Posted: 01/30/19 11:47 am ::: |
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| Voepel's latest: |
Latest? She never does one this early. Must be trying to keep up with the new demand for early mocks.
1. Las Vegas: Sabrina Ionescu*, Oregon, 5-11, guard (Dislike assuming early declarations)
2. New York: Asia Durr, Louisville, 5-10, guard (Reeve-itis)
3. Indiana: Teaira McCowan, Mississippi State, 6-7, center (Voepel actually praises her mobility in her analysis)
4. Chicago: Kalani Brown, Baylor, 6-7, center (Not pandering to Dallas fans. I like it)
5. Dallas: Alanna Smith, Stanford, 6-4, forward
6. Minnesota: Jackie Young*, Notre Dame, 6-0, guard (If the Lynx needed a guard, this would be the one I’d choose. She’s not very likely to come out, so why mess up the mock)
7. Los Angeles: Arike Ogunbowale, Notre Dame, 5-8, guard
8. Phoenix: Ezi Magbegor, Australia, 6-4, forward (Voepel’s paying attention)
9. Connecticut: Katie Lou Samuelson, UConn, 6-3, guard (Megdal has her going #1. How about splitting the difference?)
10. Washington: Han Xu, China, 6-9, center
11. Atlanta: Kristine Anigwe, Cal, 6-4, forward
12. Seattle: Napheesa Collier, UConn, 6-2, forward (How low can she go?)
13. Phoenix: Sophie Cunningham, Missouri, 6-1, guard (Teach Taurasi some swag?)
14. New York: Brianna Turner, Notre Dame, 6-3, forward
15. Chicago: Paris Kea, North Carolina, 5-9, guard
16. Minnesota: Jessica Shepard, Notre Dame, 6-4, forward (Another low-baller)
17. Dallas: Megan Gustafson, Iowa, 6-3, forward
18. Minnesota: Tynice Martin*, West Virginia, 5-11, guard (Thanks for two early declaring guards. Nice realistic draft for the Lynx. Are we cutting AJones?)
19. Los Angeles: Caliya Robinson, Georgia, 6-3, forward
20. Minnesota: Anriel Howard, Mississippi State, 5-11, forward (Maya replacement with lashes?)
21. Connecticut: Kitija Laksa, South Florida, 6-0, guard/forward
22. Dallas; Kenisha Bell, Minnesota, 5-9, guard (Very perceptive)
23. Atlanta: Kiara Leslie, N.C. State, 6-0, guard
24. Seattle: Yueru Li, China, 6-7, center (Brooklyn can’t be happy not getting any of the Chinese players)
25. Indiana: Natisha Hiedeman, Marquette, 5-8, guard (Indiana needs another guard. Somebody that needs a guard should draft her.)
26. New York: Cierra Dillard, Buffalo, 5-9, guard (Bargain)
27. Chicago: Marina Mabrey, Notre Dame, 5-11, guard (Love this pick. People got to stop overrating Mabrey)
28. Indiana: Allazia Blockton, Marquette, 6-0, guard
29. Dallas: Bridget Carleton, Iowa State, 6-1, guard (Dull won’t like this)
30. Minnesota: Jenna Allen, Michigan State, 6-4, center (McCarvill-esqué)
31. Los Angeles: Maite Cazorla, Oregon, 5-10, guard
32. Phoenix: Tiana Mangakahia*, Syracuse, 5-6, guard
33. Connecticut: Megan Huff, Utah, 6-3, forward
34. Washington: Kianna Ibis, Arizona State, 6-1, forward
35. Atlanta: Chloe Jackson, Baylor, 5-8, guard
36. Seattle: Arica Carter, Louisville, 5-8, guard
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| canadaball wrote: |
| Jess Shephard is a very good (not great) college player who has little chance of success in the WNBA. She is undersized as a five, and lacks the athleticism to be a four. Even in college, she is not a very strong defender, without much foot speed (Jess and Maybry are the two main reasons that Notre Dame is a shaky defensive team forced to rely on the zone). Most of her success on offense is with good inside work that will have little chance vs the superior athleticism in the W. Placing her higher in the draft than UConn's Collier is laughable. |
What attributes does Collier posses that will make her more successful than shepard in the WNBA again ? |
I was not particularly waving the flag for Collier, rather than denigrating Shephard as a high draft pick. Collier was used b/c the writer had her lower than Jess. That said, Voepel (see above) is out with her draft projections, and puts Collier way down at #12, which is also laughable; at least she puts Shephard in the 2nd round. Her main knock is weak 3 point shooting, but I see Napheesa as a relatively small 4 who can handle, jump, move, defend, and shoot from 10-15 feet. Come to think of it, does that not match the pedigree of other UConn alums like Olympians Cash,and Jones? |
Check Napheesa's % from 3 this season at UCONN. Not sure she will be successful as a 4 in the league. Shepard has a better chance playing the 4 before Collier thus the reason Voepel dropped Pheesa to #12 . PHeesa's best bet would be to develop a bit more into a 3 if she wants to stick around. Cash & Jones played in an Era where a 3/4 Player who could not shoot 3's was effective . Today's game has evolved those type of tweener players are no longer fitting the bill .
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| canadaball wrote: |
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| canadaball wrote: |
| Jess Shephard is a very good (not great) college player who has little chance of success in the WNBA. She is undersized as a five, and lacks the athleticism to be a four. Even in college, she is not a very strong defender, without much foot speed (Jess and Maybry are the two main reasons that Notre Dame is a shaky defensive team forced to rely on the zone). Most of her success on offense is with good inside work that will have little chance vs the superior athleticism in the W. Placing her higher in the draft than UConn's Collier is laughable. |
What attributes does Collier posses that will make her more successful than shepard in the WNBA again ? |
I was not particularly waving the flag for Collier, rather than denigrating Shephard as a high draft pick. Collier was used b/c the writer had her lower than Jess. That said, Voepel (see above) is out with her draft projections, and puts Collier way down at #12, which is also laughable; at least she puts Shephard in the 2nd round. Her main knock is weak 3 point shooting, but I see Napheesa as a relatively small 4 who can handle, jump, move, defend, and shoot from 10-15 feet. Come to think of it, does that not match the pedigree of other UConn alums like Olympians Cash,and Jones? |
Check Napheesa's % from 3 this season at UCONN. Not sure she will be successful as a 4 in the league. Shepard has a better chance playing the 4 before Collier thus the reason Voepel dropped Pheesa to #12 . PHeesa's best bet would be to develop a bit more into a 3 if she wants to stick around. Cash & Jones played in an Era where a 3/4 Player who could not shoot 3's was effective . Today's game has evolved those type of tweener players are no longer fitting the bill . |
I completely disagree with your evaluation of the forward position in the current W. Let's look around the league: Neka, Chiney, Glory Johnson, Meeseman, and Dupree are current stars with Collier's size and similar shaky 3 point shooting. Brunson is at the end of a very successful career, in which she only recently developed an outside shot.. I look at last year's rookie class. Gabby Williams cannot shot at all (Collier a much better offensive player), yet had an acceptable initial season. I can think of no successful forward with Shephard's profile.
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| PHeesa's best bet would be to develop a bit more into a 3 if she wants to stick around. Cash & Jones played in an Era where a 3/4 Player who could not shoot 3's was effective . Today's game has evolved those type of tweener players are no longer fitting the bill . |
http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=94991&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=476
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Yes based off performance at that time i did have collier as #1 "Performance" wise not by team needs . Realistically shes not going to be #1 we all know that . She needs to play the 3 if shes going to be successful in this league. The Baylor game showed me alot as to what to expect at the next level regarding Collier.
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Yes based off performance at that time i did have collier as #1 "Performance" wise not by team needs . Realistically shes not going to be #1 we all know that . She needs to play the 3 if shes going to be successful in this league. The Baylor game showed me alot as to what to expect at the next level regarding Collier. |
Once again, we must be watching different leagues. The power forward position in the WNBA, with exceptions like Vegas, and New York (note both were,lottery teams) is mostly occupied by players similar in size to Collier. Predicting her W performance based upon a game where she (and the whole undersized UConn team) were way too small makes no sense.
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| Collier is more suited for the 4 than her former teammate Gabby Williams.
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Collier is now being listed at 6-2, but previously it was always 6-1. That would be undersized for a WNBA power forward. Personally, I think she needs to improve her shooting and make the switch back to SF, which is where she started her college career. Collier has enough mobility and her other skills are pretty solid, so I look for a successful transition. Just don't expect too much in Year 1.
What you hear from scouts all the time is "athletic ability and one WNBA-ready skill." I respect Shepard as a very good college player. However, she is a below average athlete (even after the weight loss), and I don't see her pro-level skill unless you consider throwing outlet passes as a major skill. Can Jessica hang around and have a career as a backup? Sure, she's a smart player and obviously works hard. But in the 1st Round, wouldn't you rather roll the dice on someone with more upside?
Regarding Meesseman, her career three-point percentage is 39.1% (50-128) and she technically led the league in 2016 with 44.8% (30-67). Both numbers are based on low volume, but still, it's not fair to describe her as a "shaky" 3Pt shooter.
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Shades,
The comment preceding #4 was unnecessary 🤓
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So if Vegas were to take Ionescu, would they start Plum, McBride and Ionescu together? All three are on the weak side defensively so I can't see that happening unless they're going with the run and run and run and defense be damned philosophy. Doesn't sound much like Big Bill does it?
If you're thinking Ionescu is going to be your point guard, I think that is questionable. She is good handling the ball within the half court offense, but not really under pressure.
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| So if Vegas were to take Ionescu, would they start Plum, McBride and Ionescu together? |
He alluded to it.
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| So if Vegas were to take Ionescu, would they start Plum, McBride and Ionescu together? |
He alluded to it. |
so do you think it would work? They can all score, but none can defend. They can't totally depend on A'ja as a backstop...can they? I think every successful team has at least one player who is a superior backcourt defender.
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And while we're going all out to send players home, Kristine Anigwe is from Phoenix. So, forget about Magbegor and Brondello. Jim Pittman is the Mercury GM and he's taking Anigwe! 