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| I think Hopkins is typical of many point guards who come into the league. She's as good, or better than a lot of points in the league right now, but just isn't getting the opportunity. It has a lot less to do with not being good enough and more to do with opportunity. Courtney Vandersloot, for example, is lucky she landed with a coach who was patient with her and let her develop or you know what she would be? She'd be Chelsea Hopkins and Sharnee Zoll. |
Slooty's court vision is right alongside the top players in the league in that category. It might be the best in the whole league. If not, it's right there with Bird, Taurasi, Parker, etc. Not only has she earned her place in the league today, but she earned the right to develop and any pro coach would know that based on possibly the most important physical trait a point guard can have.
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| Posted: 12/30/16 11:56 pm ::: |
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I actually don't care much whether there is a rule seriously enforced on this board on this issue. I don't know much about players' private lives and that isn't why I'm here. I'm also not upset when people do post on that subject. When there were hundreds of posts about Griner and Johnson, I didn't criticize that. I just didn't read them.
What I find offensive on this board or anywhere else are the following: in-group vs. out-group ugliness, chiding rather than welcoming newcomers, invoking the "good old days," etc. etc.
I've only been on this board since 2010 so I guess to some I'm a newcomer. When I was genuinely new, no one treated me that way. People reacted to my comments fairly, agreed or disagreed, and NEVER cited the fact that they've been here longer. I appreciated that. |
Well Bob, I guess I don't appreciated being dismissed as things I post as being ridiculous. That seems more than a little disrespectful, IMO, don't you? |
This is my last comment here. In my view, all the bad vibes here started with you. Quite unnecessarily. |
Because I suggested we keep private lives private, and said we used to do that, that is a "bad vibe". Got it. Thanks for clarifying. |
My two cents...I do agree that if the people in question wish to keep the relationship private, that is something that should be really taken into consideration when posting in a public forum. If the relationship has been made public, i.e. on Instagram or other social media then I don't see the harm in posting about it. Whether they have made the relationship public, I have no idea.
I also think Ay Mate had no ill intent in posting and was pointing out that being the two have a relationship, that would be incentive for Jasmine Thomas to want to remain in Connecticut, thus even less of a need for her to be cored.
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| Posted: 01/15/17 11:06 am ::: |
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http://www.womensbasketball247.com/2017/01/2017-wnba-free-agency-part-2/
Here are the players that are on the market this upcoming season who are able to sign with whichever team they choose.
Unrestricted Free Agents
Mistie Bass (Phoenix Mercury)
Alana Beard (LA Sparks)
Essence Carson (LA Sparks)
Erika de Souza (Chicago Sky)
Markeisha Gatling (Atlanta Dream)
Whitney Knight (San Antonio Stars)
Erlana Larkins (Indiana Fever)
Janel McCarville (Minnesota Lynx)
Leilani Mitchell (Washington Mystics)
Plenette Pierson (Dallas Wings)
Asia Taylor (Connecticut Sun)
Jasmine Thomas (Connecticut Sun)
Kristi Toliver (LA Sparks)
Ann Wauters (LA Sparks)
Monica Wright (Seattle Storm)
Core Players
Dewanna Bonner
Crystal Langhorne
Camille Little
Angel McCoughtry
Tanisha Wright
Restricted Free Agents;
Kayla Alexander (San Antonio Stars)
Alex Bentley (Connecticut Sun)
Kelsey Bone (Phoenix Mercury)
Layshia Clarendon (Atlanta Dream)
Kelly Faris (Connecticut Sun)
Brittney Griner (Phoenix Mercury)
Tayler Hill (Washington Mystics)
Sugar Rogers (New York Liberty)
Elena Delle Donne (Chicago Sky)
Sandrine Gruda (LA Sparks)
Kayla Pedersen (Connecticut Sun)
Tierra Ruffin-Pratt (Washington Mystics)
Krystal Thomas (Seattle Storm)
Jeanette Pohlen (Indiana Fever) |
These aren't looking too bad, but I recall Mo Currie's guesses from last year being not totally reliable.
http://boards.rebkell.net/viewtopic.php?t=86679&start=12
I don't think wnba.com would even list Kayla Pedersen since she didn't play last year, so I wonder why Currie doesn't list statuses of players like Cambage or Jarry, or that guard from Connecticut Sun, Hightower, that's injured all the time?
Where's the list of reserves?
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| Posted: 01/18/17 3:26 pm ::: |
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http://www.wnba.com/core-reserved-restricted-unrestricted-2017/
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CORE PLAYERS
DeWanna Bonner (Phoenix)
Crystal Langhorne (Seattle)
Camille Little (Connecticut)
Angel McCoughtry (Atlanta)
Tanisha Wright (New York)
RESERVED PLAYERS
Farhiya Abdi (Los Angeles)
Rebecca Allen (New York)
Valeriane Ayayi (San Antonio)
Vicki Baugh (San Antonio)
Tiffany Bias (Dallas)
Abby Bishop (Seattle)
Sydney Colson (San Antonio)
Anna Cruz (Minnesota)
Ana Dabovic (Los Angeles)
Clarissa Dos Santos (Chicago)
Jelena Dubljevic (Los Angeles)
Ha Eun Joo (Los Angeles)
Cayla George (Phoenix)
Keisha Hampton (Minnesota)
Emmeline Ndongue (Los Angeles)
Haley Peters (San Antonio)
Sonja Petrovic (Phoenix)
Meighan Simmons (Atlanta)
Marianna Tolo (Los Angeles)
Erica Wheeler (Indiana)
Marta Xargay (Phoenix)
RESTRICTED FREE AGENTS
Kayla Alexander (sa)
Alex Bentley (Connecticut)
Kelsey Bone (Phoenix)
Layshia Clarendon (Atlanta)
Elena Delle Donne (Chicago)
Kelly Faris (Connecticut)
Brittney Griner (Phoenix)
Sandrine Gruda (Los Angeles)
Tayler Hill (Washington)
Kayla Pedersen (Connecticut)
Jeanette Pohlen (Indiana)
Sugar Rodgers (New York)
Tierra Ruffin-Pratt (Washington)
Krystal Thomas (Seattle)
UNRESTRICTED FREE AGENTS
Mistie Bass
Alana Beard
Essence Carson
Erika de Souza
Markeisha Gatling
Whitney Knight
Erlana Larkins
Janel McCarville
Leilani Mitchell
Plenette Pierson
Asia Taylor
Jasmine Thomas
Kristi Toliver
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| Posted: 01/18/17 3:35 pm ::: |
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| So basically the same as the womensbasketball247 one
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| Posted: 01/18/17 3:45 pm ::: |
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No mention of Hightower, but Pedersen (who sat out for personal reasons) is listed. Does that mean they offered Pedersen and decided to let Hightower go?
Some of those names listed as reserved seem erroneous
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| Posted: 01/18/17 4:38 pm ::: |
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| So basically the same as the womensbasketball247 one |
There was one before theirs that was more complete. The 247 one left out all the reserved players.
The reeerved players list is frustrating because it includes some rights (like Ndongue) but missed most of them. Alleyne, Hightower, Barbee, and Angelica Robinson are named off the top of my head whose rights are owned by one of the team's. And, of course, Tweety Nolan and Alba Torrens.
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| Posted: 01/18/17 5:01 pm ::: |
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| Shades wrote: |
No mention of Hightower, but Pedersen (who sat out for personal reasons) is listed. Does that mean they offered Pedersen and decided to let Hightower go?
Some of those names listed as reserved seem erroneous |
Hightower is under contract, Pedersen isn't.
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| Posted: 01/18/17 5:30 pm ::: |
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| So basically the same as the womensbasketball247 one |
There was one before theirs that was more complete. The 247 one left out all the reserved players.
The reeerved players list is frustrating because it includes some rights (like Ndongue) but missed most of them. Alleyne, Hightower, Barbee, and Angelica Robinson are named off the top of my head whose rights are owned by one of the team's. And, of course, Tweety Nolan and Alba Torrens. |
Owning someone's draft rights is a bit different than their reserved rights.
And not that they'd be worth anything, but no one owns anything in regards to Nolan any more. |
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| Posted: 01/18/17 5:35 pm ::: |
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| They don't have a category for deferred draft picks. They should have a category for players who rights are owned but they didn't play last year, and they don't show up in these other categories.
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| Posted: 01/18/17 5:38 pm ::: |
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| Posted: 01/18/17 5:40 pm ::: |
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No mention of Hightower, but Pedersen (who sat out for personal reasons) is listed. Does that mean they offered Pedersen and decided to let Hightower go?
Some of those names listed as reserved seem erroneous |
Hightower is under contract, Pedersen isn't. |
How can you be restricted but not under contract? |
That describes every restricted free agent.
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| Posted: 01/18/17 5:46 pm ::: |
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| What I meant was does Pedersen showing up on the list mean she's definitely coming back and CON is interested in playing her? I can't imagine her having much trade value.
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| Posted: 01/18/17 5:55 pm ::: |
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| What I meant was does Pedersen showing up on the list mean she's definitely coming back and CON is interested in playing her? I can't imagine her having much trade value. |
No, it means she's a free agent and hasn't retired, but hasn't been in enough so she's UFA.
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| Posted: 01/18/17 6:04 pm ::: |
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| still amazed that Ha Eun Joo & Emmeline Ndongue, 2006 FA signings, both still continue to appear on this list every year. I believe both players have retired from basketball. Joo never played a game in the league. At least Jung Sun-min & Laura Macchi are finally off the list.
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| Posted: 01/18/17 6:17 pm ::: |
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| still amazed that Ha Eun Joo & Emmeline Ndongue, 2006 FA signings, both still continue to appear on this list every year. I believe both players have retired from basketball. Joo never played a game in the league. At least Jung Sun-min & Laura Macchi are finally off the list. |
Blame Penny Toler and the Sparks. They're the ones who continue to send out the reserved qualifying offers for no reason whatsoever. At this point I kinda think Toler's taking the piss. |
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That's the word I'm looking for. Did CON give Pedersen a qualifying offer to keep her from turning into a UFA?
I suppose I could see PHX being interested in Pedersen as a substitute for Bass, and she is from Phoenix.
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| Posted: 01/18/17 6:44 pm ::: |
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| still amazed that Ha Eun Joo & Emmeline Ndongue, 2006 FA signings, both still continue to appear on this list every year. I believe both players have retired from basketball. Joo never played a game in the league. At least Jung Sun-min & Laura Macchi are finally off the list. |
Blame Penny Toler and the Sparks. They're the ones who continue to send out the reserved qualifying offers for no reason whatsoever. At this point I kinda think Toler's taking the piss. |
So a reserved player also gets a qualifying offer to keep them on the list? Does that mean those players are getting money? Whatvis the difference between a player who is on the reserved list vs. a player like Robinson whose rights are owned by a team?
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| still amazed that Ha Eun Joo & Emmeline Ndongue, 2006 FA signings, both still continue to appear on this list every year. I believe both players have retired from basketball. Joo never played a game in the league. At least Jung Sun-min & Laura Macchi are finally off the list. |
Blame Penny Toler and the Sparks. They're the ones who continue to send out the reserved qualifying offers for no reason whatsoever. At this point I kinda think Toler's taking the piss. |
So a reserved player also gets a qualifying offer to keep them on the list? Does that mean those players are getting money? Whatvis the difference between a player who is on the reserved list vs. a player like Robinson whose rights are owned by a team? |
If a player would otherwise become a free agent (i.e. her contract has run out) but has three or fewer years of service, then the team has to make a 'Reserved Qualifying Offer' to make her reserved. That doesn't guarantee them any money. But it is technically a contract offer, so the player could just sign it, then show up at training camp and force the team to keep her or cut her (assuming they haven't already cut her beforehand to save everyone the trouble).
But you're right, there are players whose rights are held by a team who they don't bother putting on those lists. Liz Cambage and Dallas, for example (and maybe Robinson (and Phoenix?) as well, although I'm not entirely sure about her status). I believe technically she's 'reserved' as well, but obviously as far as the WNBA is concerned she's on a different list. It's like it's a different kind of reserved, or something, which therefore doesn't get printed on these lists (and may not require a qualifying offer every damn year, although I'd have to dig into the minutiae of the CBA to check that). |
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| Posted: 01/18/17 10:40 pm ::: |
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| The WNBA has a situation that I haven't noticed in other sports -- namely, the clock on your contract continues even though you're not active. |
Most sports don't have the no-show situation that the W does.
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| Posted: 01/18/17 10:45 pm ::: |
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| Not sure on that ruling, but it'd be hilarious if Alleyne re-entered the draft considering her rights were traded to CON.
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| Posted: 01/18/17 10:49 pm ::: |
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| The WNBA has a situation that I haven't noticed in other sports -- namely, the clock on your contract continues even though you're not active. |
Most sports don't have the no-show situation that the W does. |
And there are reciprocality agreements between the leagues -- at least in baseball and basketball -- where they honor each others contracts. It's probably unnecessary in football because the NFL pays so much more than anybody else. I'm a little unclear about hockey. It does seem like players move back and forth between leagues with the seasons overlapping.
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