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TweetyMulatto
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sorry if i sounded bitchy there.
and sorry if it felt like i was insinuating things...i'll keep an eye on that.
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If death meant just leaving the stage long enough to change costume and come back as a new character...would you slow down? Or speed up?
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TweetyMulatto
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| Posted: 10/07/08 1:58 pm ::: |
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| I think everyone should relax. tweety and DTP are probably feel like they are sick of us. And guys I'm sorry for my post to both of you forget about it. |
it's cool guys.
any hostility in this thread (which probably shouldn't have been started) should be dropped.
let's all just be happy they're happy and leave it at that.
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beeball
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| Posted: 10/07/08 1:59 pm ::: |
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| I think everyone should relax. tweety and DTP are probably feel like they are sick of us. And guys I'm sorry for my post to both of you forget about it. |
Believe me, it's not that serious at all. This post was doomed from the start when it got responses as opposed to just views. I was simply trying to diffuse it before it became about players other than the ones pictured.
No harm, no foul.
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| Posted: 10/07/08 8:24 pm ::: |
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| As for Candace and Shelden I don't know how it first came out about their relationship either, but their relationship is public knowledge and from how it appears if Katie and Lindsey are together its not public knowledge. |
Not speaking about any same-sex couple specifically, but just generally: what does it mean for a relationship to be "public knowledge"? Is the couple supposed to put out a press release? Do heterosexuals who are dating or coupled up do that? Of course not. They just go about living their lives. |
Well basically everyone knows Lisa Leslie is married, everyone knows about Sheryl Swoopes and her partner, everyone knows about Candace Parker it has nothing to to with promoting their relationship, but they don't do anything to hide their relationship, I might be wrong about Sheryl Swoopes, but from what I heard she didn't attempt to hide her relationship, but at the same time she didn't put it out there.
There are heterosexual players who keep their personal life and who they are dating private as well, this has nothing to do with heterosexual or homosexual players. The reason I mentioned Candace and Shelden was because the person I was responding to said if this thread was about Candace and Shelden no one would be making speculation about their relationship but they would be talking about the players them selves and making cracks about the looks of the players instead of the relationship.
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psheehy
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| Posted: 10/07/08 8:37 pm ::: |
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It is not about a double standard.
It is about respecting an celebrity's right to privacy with regards to aspects of their personal life they have not chosen to discuss in public. If a player is in a relationship with another person, they reserve the right to discuss that in public when, where and how they so desire.
There are (imho inane) aspects of American societal culture that can create public and personal issues for people that state particular personal beliefs (whether they be political, religious or orientation related) that foster the need for individuals to make personal decisions about what they share of their personal life, whether they are celebrities or "joe six-pack, soccer moms."
See the Birdy/Dee buddy blog to see how Sue and Diana differ on discussing politics in the public eye.
In the end, this is the "net," and as a person who actually used the internet when it was still a baby (yes, I can spell DARPA), I support the freedom of speech and expression on the net. I do expect a level of courtesy and respect from its users that has sadly dwindled over time.
If Parker and Williams weren't out I would not want us talking about them either. I love that players have, historicaly, had control over this information.
I wish that out couples like Taj and her partner got equal air time with Sheryl and her partner in the ESPN personal moments, but I accept that after generations of a revolutionary culture, America is a cautious reactionary in these times.
I focus instead on my role as a parent that teaches my children that what makes a human being is, passion, empathy, and a thirst for knowledge, with everything else being incidental. I content myself with looking bigots in the eye and telling them that their "harmless" jokes or choices of terms are hateful and insulting to me as a human. I trust that, at heart, humans are loving creatures who need each other, and that fear and hatred won't always rule my country.
I understand the thoughts and feelings that led to the initial post and I understand the thoughts and feelings that scream from the passionate replies after the posting.
I ask us all to just end it here.
Let us let this moment go and move on to explore the thing we all come here to share: amazing basketball played by the most amazing women players on the planet.
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| Posted: 10/07/08 9:06 pm ::: |
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It is not about a double standard.
It is about respecting an celebrity's right to privacy with regards to aspects of their personal life they have not chosen to discuss in public. If a player is in a relationship with another person, they reserve the right to discuss that in public when, where and how they so desire.
There are (imho inane) aspects of American societal culture that can create public and personal issues for people that state particular personal beliefs (whether they be political, religious or orientation related) that foster the need for individuals to make personal decisions about what they share of their personal life, whether they are celebrities or "joe six-pack, soccer moms."
See the Birdy/Dee buddy blog to see how Sue and Diana differ on discussing politics in the public eye.
In the end, this is the "net," and as a person who actually used the internet when it was still a baby (yes, I can spell DARPA), I support the freedom of speech and expression on the net. I do expect a level of courtesy and respect from its users that has sadly dwindled over time.
If Parker and Williams weren't out I would not want us talking about them either. I love that players have, historicaly, had control over this information.
I wish that out couples like Taj and her partner got equal air time with Sheryl and her partner in the ESPN personal moments, but I accept that after generations of a revolutionary culture, America is a cautious reactionary in these times.
I focus instead on my role as a parent that teaches my children that what makes a human being is, passion, empathy, and a thirst for knowledge, with everything else being incidental. I content myself with looking bigots in the eye and telling them that their "harmless" jokes or choices of terms are hateful and insulting to me as a human. I trust that, at heart, humans are loving creatures who need each other, and that fear and hatred won't always rule my country.
I understand the thoughts and feelings that led to the initial post and I understand the thoughts and feelings that scream from the passionate replies after the posting.
I ask us all to just end it here.
Let us let this moment go and move on to explore the thing we all come here to share: amazing basketball played by the most amazing women players on the planet. |
Let the church say AMEN!!! So eloquently put P.
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| Posted: 10/07/08 10:10 pm ::: |
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Why is any of this about anything?????
This is about a poster making a big deal out of nothing.
Yes, players should be allowed to have personal lives, but whether they are gay straight or asexual their relationships may be commented on here.
Fact is, these ladies need no protection. There are no lines being crossed. It doesn't become more important to give someone privacy because they are gay.
We are all equal and to treat gay relationships any differently than straight relationships here would only serve to perpetuate the idea that they aren't the same exact freaking thing.
So in closing, it's not worth letting Rothum stir stuff up that isn't an issue for anyone else on this board. Personally, I wouldn't bring up this sort of thing, but it's not offensive to me for someone to insinuate that Harding and Smith are very close or in a relationship. I have far too much else to worry about than to get wrapped up in that.
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PattyforPresident
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| Posted: 10/08/08 6:48 am ::: |
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Why is any of this about anything?????
This is about a poster making a big deal out of nothing.
Yes, players should be allowed to have personal lives, but whether they are gay straight or asexual their relationships may be commented on here.
Fact is, these ladies need no protection. There are no lines being crossed. It doesn't become more important to give someone privacy because they are gay.
We are all equal and to treat gay relationships any differently than straight relationships here would only serve to perpetuate the idea that they aren't the same exact freaking thing.
So in closing, it's not worth letting Rothum stir stuff up that isn't an issue for anyone else on this board. Personally, I wouldn't bring up this sort of thing, but it's not offensive to me for someone to insinuate that Harding and Smith are very close or in a relationship. I have far too much else to worry about than to get wrapped up in that. |
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| Posted: 10/08/08 11:19 am ::: |
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Why is any of this about anything?????
This is about a poster making a big deal out of nothing.
Yes, players should be allowed to have personal lives, but whether they are gay straight or asexual their relationships may be commented on here.
Fact is, these ladies need no protection. There are no lines being crossed. It doesn't become more important to give someone privacy because they are gay.
We are all equal and to treat gay relationships any differently than straight relationships here would only serve to perpetuate the idea that they aren't the same exact freaking thing.
So in closing, it's not worth letting Rothum stir stuff up that isn't an issue for anyone else on this board. Personally, I wouldn't bring up this sort of thing, but it's not offensive to me for someone to insinuate that Harding and Smith are very close or in a relationship. I have far too much else to worry about than to get wrapped up in that. |
So the posting of a sense of decorum is stirring stuff up? I did not start this thread. I did not attempt to inaccurately imply the domestic life of two players.
I said that this board used to refuse to publicly discuss these things. In 2004 and 2005 when players and their family members viewed this board we were very careful about sharing what we knew about the inner workings of teams and players lest something negative inadvertently occurred.
I can think of more than one player who is deeply closeted lest their family finds out. I do not want to be the person who is the source of additional issues in any player's life.
This isn't about we readers being "cool" about the subject, this is about being a message board that has insightful conversations about basketball or being the gossip rag of women's basketball.
This is why I prefer Off-Court where private conversations can remain private. Not my problem you were tossed from Off-Court for violating that rule eyevolley. And that is why Off-Court now has the players haunting over there instead of here. BECAUSE their privacy is protected.
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| Posted: 10/08/08 11:31 am ::: |
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| eyevolley4 wrote: |
Why is any of this about anything?????
This is about a poster making a big deal out of nothing.
Yes, players should be allowed to have personal lives, but whether they are gay straight or asexual their relationships may be commented on here.
Fact is, these ladies need no protection. There are no lines being crossed. It doesn't become more important to give someone privacy because they are gay.
We are all equal and to treat gay relationships any differently than straight relationships here would only serve to perpetuate the idea that they aren't the same exact freaking thing.
So in closing, it's not worth letting Rothum stir stuff up that isn't an issue for anyone else on this board. Personally, I wouldn't bring up this sort of thing, but it's not offensive to me for someone to insinuate that Harding and Smith are very close or in a relationship. I have far too much else to worry about than to get wrapped up in that. |
So the posting of a sense of decorum is stirring stuff up? I did not start this thread. I did not attempt to inaccurately imply the domestic life of two players.
I said that this board used to refuse to publicly discuss these things. In 2004 and 2005 when players and their family members viewed this board we were very careful about sharing what we knew about the inner workings of teams and players lest something negative inadvertently occurred.
I can think of more than one player who is deeply closeted lest their family finds out. I do not want to be the person who is the source of additional issues in any player's life.
This isn't about we readers being "cool" about the subject, this is about being a message board that has insightful conversations about basketball or being the gossip rag of women's basketball.
This is why I prefer Off-Court where private conversations can remain private. Not my problem you were tossed from Off-Court for violating that rule eyevolley. And that is why Off-Court now has the players haunting over there instead of here. BECAUSE their privacy is protected. |
Thanks Rothum and very well put...I remember way back then and how careful we used to be for all the reasons you listed.....hopefully your words are heard. It's important.
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| Posted: 10/08/08 11:51 am ::: |
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So the posting of a sense of decorum is stirring stuff up? I did not start this thread. I did not attempt to inaccurately imply the domestic life of two players. . . . .
This is why I prefer Off-Court where private conversations can remain private
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What's inaccurate?
As for privacy, two people posing for a camera are not being private (and this is hardly the first such pic these two have posed for).
Your posts seem to suggest that being gay is something to be secretive about and hidden. (Apologies if that's not what you intended.) I prefer to see people, gay or not, simply going about their lives being themselves. And if they want to express joy in public in front of a camera, more power to them.
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| Posted: 10/08/08 12:01 pm ::: |
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What's inaccurate?
As for privacy, two people posing for a camera are not being private (and this is hardly the first such pic these two have posed for).
Your posts seem to suggest that being gay is something to be secretive about and hidden. (Apologies if that's not what you intended.) I prefer to see people, gay or not, simply going about their lives being themselves. And if they want to express joy in public in front of a camera, more power to them. |
No attempt to imply secrecy should be encouraged and I would certainly be the last to say that about being gay. One thing no one has said, that might clarify my point. If you look at the background, that picture was taken in the locker room. I bolded a part of your post above. See, it was not at center court postgame, or in the public eye. It was in front of teammates, friends and maybe family, and yes, a yahoo photographer who chose to post it online.
Haven't we always read over the years about the sanctity of the locker room? The point is, we can't tell what they had intended. Whether they wanted it to be public or not. It's their business.
Discretion, I would think, in that type of circumstance, would lead to perhaps a little less discussion of their personal lives and a little more focus on the amazing performance Ms. Smith had in the finals.
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| Posted: 10/08/08 12:08 pm ::: |
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What's inaccurate?
As for privacy, two people posing for a camera are not being private (and this is hardly the first such pic these two have posed for).
Your posts seem to suggest that being gay is something to be secretive about and hidden. (Apologies if that's not what you intended.) I prefer to see people, gay or not, simply going about their lives being themselves. And if they want to express joy in public in front of a camera, more power to them. |
No attempt to imply secrecy should be encouraged and I would certainly be the last to say that about being gay. One thing no one has said, that might clarify my point. If you look at the background, that picture was taken in the locker room. I bolded a part of your post above. See, it was not at center court postgame, or in the public eye. It was in front of teammates, friends and maybe family, and yes, a yahoo photographer who chose to post it online.
Haven't we always read over the years about the sanctity of the locker room? The point is, we can't tell what they had intended. Whether they wanted it to be public or not. It's their business.
Discretion, I would think, in that type of circumstance, would lead to perhaps a little less discussion of their personal lives and a little more focus on the amazing performance Ms. Smith had in the finals. |
I'm with CourtsideTix, smiling into the camera is not hiding, no matter where you do it. I can't speak on whether they're dating, but they're certainly not hiding the fact that they enjoy hugging one another.
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And damnit, I am innocent...
so long as she is happy and that smile says a lot
My bad. I was thinking "Duke" even though you said "Durham". Yup...two separate entities.
