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[Bob Lamm]

I find it fascinating that people can propose possible trades for the Liberty when we have no idea who could actually make those trades. Do people think that Katie Smith, who's never been a head coach in the WNBA, is effectively going to be the GM as well? If not, then who is? Suppose Bill Laimbeer wants to get Sugar Rodgers, Kiah Stokes, or someone else from the Liberty roster. Who does he call?

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[J-Spoon]

Technically Laimbeer in his 2nd go round with the Liberty wasn't the GM, we all just gave him credit for the roster moves because, well we don't actually know who is the GM. It is possible it was a group effort that included K. Bernet (I obviously am not even sure of her name or exact title) I. Thomas and Laimbeer. Maybe Laimbeer wasn't really as involved with the decision as we thought and that might have been (besides I'm assuming a decent bump in salary) a reason he might have wanted to go to Las Vegas in the first place

If Bill wants to make a trade I'm sure he knows who to call, it just that we the fans don't know.

I could see him having some interest in Rodgers, Stokes, Zellous, Hartley, L. Allen he might even do a low ball offer for R. Allen if he still thinks she can develop. But Shades said in another thread and it is a good point that while he might be interested in some of the Liberty players, sending assets to the Liberty especially decent one might not be the best look.

I still think if healthy NY should try to get Jefferson away from Las Vegas, she isn't the best fit with Laimbeer's system, and her health is enough of a question mark that I could see her as attainable (if not for NY than for someone). I would really like to see a "true" PG back on the Liberty. I've never felt completely confident in Boyd (though I like and root for her) and while I think L. Allen is very capable and I'm happy to have her as an option until she develops her offense she is a good/safe back up PG, not a starting PG on a team that can contend.

[Happycappie25]

I can tell you when Bernert was there she was the boss...ask any lib official short of Isiah and youd here KB is the GM or KB is in charge.

I went on a rant right before the streak on how that is badly missing this year...and it's still a problem...You got Spoon and Cash with the same title...Isiah being a figure head president and then Clarke running all the marketing...not a good setup and I do have insiders saying it was too many cooks last year and led to trouble

It's an issue...I for one hope Bill takes Swin off our hands...know she was pregnant but just felt she did very little.

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[Bob Lamm]

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[Bob Lamm]

Minor self-correction. I just took a look at the staff directory on a New York Liberty web page. Teresa Weatherspoon is listed as Director of Player & Franchise Development. Swin Cash is listed as Director of Franchise Development. Not the exact same title, but close.

Should we have a contest as to what these titles mean and which title is better to have? We could all vote on the different responses. The winner we pick could then demand to meet with Jimmy Dolan and have him explain what HIS answers are.

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[Bob Lamm]

[root_thing]

DolanWorld, as it applies to the Liberty, consists of Isiah Thomas, Herb Williams, and formerly Allan Houston. I doubt Dolan cares about T-Spoon or Swin -- they're probably barely a blip on his radar screen. T-Spoon shows up at new STH recruiting events -- with or without Isiah -- which is clearly a marketing function. She's been doing it unofficially in addition to her player development work, so I guess it was only fair that they add the title -- especially since Swin was going to be less available because of her pregnancy. I'm not sure if anybody has a clear idea of what Cash should be doing: basketball-related, broadcasting, marketing -- I think management just feels she can be an asset and they're still figuring out how to use her. In the meantime, Swin mostly attends community events and she walks around before games greeting people like Bernert used to do. So the franchise development title appears to broadly cover marketing and community relations.

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[Bob Lamm]

http://westchester.gleague.nba.com/news/liberty-legend-teresa-weatherspoon-serve-color-analyst-westchester-knicks-home-games/

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[J-Spoon]

I was looking at the over-seas thread and saw that Prince was one of the American's who played with Vadeeva in Russia. If she was willing to come over would Vadeeva be a good fit with the Liberty sharing time with Stokes at the Center spot?

[root_thing]

I like Vadeeva, but she's not a natural fit for Liberty-style switching defense -- assuming Katie wants to run the same system. I haven't seen Maria play yet this season. Unless she made an effort to change her body, Vadeeva isn't athletic and she doesn't block shots. Also, not the most physical player in the world. On the other hand, Vadeeva is smart and has great court awareness. She positions herself well and always seems to be Johnny-on-the-spot for loose balls. I wouldn't recommend drafting her with that #10 pick, but it's probably not a disaster either. As a move, grading would be in the B-/C+ range for me.

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[Queenie]

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[stever]

https://summitthoops.com/2017/11/07/podcast-new-york-liberty-head-coach-katie-smith/

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[LibFan25]

https://summitthoops.com/2017/11/07/podcast-new-york-liberty-head-coach-katie-smith/

I'm loving these Katie Smith Interviews

Coach Smith will be in Columbus this weekend for the UCONN-Stanford and Louisville-Ohio State games:

WNBA prospects for each team:

UCONN: Kia Nurse, Gabby Williams, Stevens?

Louisville: Hines-Allen

Stanford: McPhee

Ohio State: Kelsey Mitchell, Harper, Mavunga

[NYL_WNBA_FAN]

I'm really excited to see what might transpire. Sugar is a commodity who can be moved. We've discussed some scenarios in the past about whatever value she has. But one thing I've now been thinking about is the possibility of trading her along with the 10th overall pick in exchange for however many spots you can attain. Might work depending on the team involved.

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[J-Spoon]

I don't want to trade Rodgers but if we had to my unrealistic fantasy trade would be (I said but already but I'm going to repeat myself and make it more complicated)

Rodgers, L. Allen and #10 to LV for Jefferson and #13

result
NY
Jefferson/Boyd
Prince/Hartley/Schimmel
Zellous/Raincock-Ekunwe
Charles/(#13) Mavunga
Stokes/Swords
#12 roster spot whoever is better in camp between Zahui B and R. Allen since or line up is fluid enough to work with either as the last option with NRE being able to play 3 or 4
We bring back Swords to back up Stokes as UFA
#13 Mavunga shocks everyone and becomes an almost first round talent this season and a decent pro stretch 4
Schimmel finds her passion comes back for redemption story behind enough depth that it won't hurt BY if it doesn't work out.
And most importantly NY gets a true PG in Jefferson who can score in double digits, hit the three and set up Charles anywhere on the floor.

Vegas
Plum/L. Allen
McBride/Rosgers
(#10) Nared/Hamby/Burdick
(#1) Wilson/Dos Santos
Harrison/Alexander

12th spot Coffey. Colson, Montgomery or Holmes depending on what BL thinks he needs most/
Laimbeer has 3 players he is familiar with (Rodgers/Allen and Burdick) that know his system, improves the defense by adding Rodgers, Allen Nared and getting Dos Santos back, solves the Plum/Jefferson small back court issue and Vegas looks like a real W team with some depth that Laimbeer can work with.

I realize it probably won't happen but I don't think it is that crazy of a trade for either team. The smaller more realistic version Rodgers and #10 for Jefferson but I was feeling fanciful so why not go all out and Laimbeer really speaks highly of both Rodgers and L. Allen so why not go all in.

[J-Spoon]

On a different note I don't think Rodgers and #10 gets us to a higher draft spot. I don't see Vegas or Indy trading lottery picks and Chicago needs less assets not more, if anything I could see Chicago doing a 2 for one with a player and one of their picks for a better player. Seattle might do Rodgers and #10 for #5 but they have been burnt lately with trades and anyone NY might want at #5 (a falling Mitchell, Deshields or Williams) I think Seattle would want (maybe Hughes would do it if Deshields and he sees her as a possible attitude problem if so I would be all for getting Diamond in NY but I think Hughes would prefer Stokes and #10 to Rodgers and #10), Same with Russell, if Russell is good enough that NY would want her with #5 I think Seattle (who also needs a center) would just pick her and if Mercedes isn't a sure thing at #5 that Seattle would be willing to trade her than I'm not sure NY wouldn't be better off just keeping Rodgers and the decent player they can draft at #10.

Unless there are a number of early entries once you get to #6 is there really that much difference between #6 and #10.

Which is why I think if NY packages Rodgers and #10 it would be more likely for a player than a pick IMO.

My other trade possibilities would be

Rodgers and #10 for Hayes (to play at SF)
Rodgers and #10 for Howard (maybe)
Rodgers and #10 for Bonner (if we don't have to do the whole Dupree thing as well)
Rodgers and #10 for Sims (if she can play lead/PG)
Rodgers and #10 for Hill (If she can play SF)
The flip side or Rodgers and #10 for Jefferson
Rodgers and #10 for Plum (If Smith sees a little of herself in Plum, and Plum can play PG and take a Diggins like step forward her sophomore season, maybe)
Rodgers and #10 for A. Gray (I think Dallas would prefer Stokes and #10, can Gray play SF)
Rodgers straight up For A. Davis? (I think just signing Christmas as an UFA would be smarter than either of the Dallas moves)


(Not saying I like these just trying to keep it realisitc) (Honestly I would much rather trade Prince but her desire to be in NY, age and Russian commitment makes that seem off the table)

Also I'm just playing the imagination game don't take either of these posts too seriously.

[Randy]

Are you sure that Sugar is under contract for 2018? The WNBA salary spreadsheet doesn't show that to be the case. Of course, the reliability of that source is not proven.