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| On Wright I am mixed. I see Clay's point but I also think this year's version of Wright may have been partially affected by injury and absence from the team. Last year's 9 ppg in 22 min I think may be a better gauge only because this season's version of Wright lacked the slashing ability I remember in prior years. Her D this year was outstanding whenever I saw her play though. I think it would be something to consider...trading a mid-first rounder for Wright. She definitely can provide an energy addition to a team and if it is debatable how good that first rounder is, it's gotta be something to consider.
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| What are people's thoughts on Banham? I looked her up on youtube and watched some clips, and other than the obvious that she is a great shooter, I thought her first step was ridiculously slow. She maneuvers her way to the basket in college, but I would question what I saw of her moves working in the WNBA. Albeit a low sample size. But where a player like say Maggie Lucas isn't very fast but has a quick first step, I could see her improving. With Banham I would have serious reservation that she can use that first step to create space and penetrate.
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Monica Wright has started 19 games over the past four seasons (none in 2011, seven in 2012, three in 2013 and nine in 2014), with the Lynx going 16-3. Her averages and percentages in those contests:
28.0 mpg
10.2 ppg
49.3% FG (74-150)
29.0% 3FG (9-31)
85.7% FT (36-42)
3.3 rpg
3.2 apg
1.58 spg
2.3 TO/gm
0.47 bpg
1.40 ast/TO
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| Posted: 08/22/14 11:15 pm ::: |
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| NYL_WNBA_FAN wrote: |
| On Wright I am mixed. I see Clay's point but I also think this year's version of Wright may have been partially affected by injury and absence from the team. Last year's 9 ppg in 22 min I think may be a better gauge only because this season's version of Wright lacked the slashing ability I remember in prior years. Her D this year was outstanding whenever I saw her play though. I think it would be something to consider...trading a mid-first rounder for Wright. She definitely can provide an energy addition to a team and if it is debatable how good that first rounder is, it's gotta be something to consider. |
Unless there's an unexpected drop in the salary cap (or Wright demands out), I don't see much of a reason why Minnesota would want to do it, though. We already know Reeve doesn't like to trust rookies unless they're extraordinary (Moore) or she's forced to (Dantas). Why give up one of the few players she actually trusts? Especially not for another year, when they might want room to pay Peters on top of the starters and the cash could be a little tighter (not that Peters has done anything to merit a max deal yet). |
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| On Wright I am mixed. I see Clay's point but I also think this year's version of Wright may have been partially affected by injury and absence from the team. Last year's 9 ppg in 22 min I think may be a better gauge only because this season's version of Wright lacked the slashing ability I remember in prior years. Her D this year was outstanding whenever I saw her play though. I think it would be something to consider...trading a mid-first rounder for Wright. She definitely can provide an energy addition to a team and if it is debatable how good that first rounder is, it's gotta be something to consider. |
Unless there's an unexpected drop in the salary cap (or Wright demands out), I don't see much of a reason why Minnesota would want to do it, though. We already know Reeve doesn't like to trust rookies unless they're extraordinary (Moore) or she's forced to (Dantas). Why give up one of the few players she actually trusts? Especially not for another year, when they might want room to pay Peters on top of the starters and the cash could be a little tighter (not that Peters has done anything to merit a max deal yet). |
Dear god, I hope we don't end up paying Peters...
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| Well it's just that Banham is quite possibly the most popular player to come out of Minnesota, maybe more than Whalen. |
As evidenced by 12,000 fans regularly showing up to watch Whalen play at Williams while it's closer to 1,200 for Banham...
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| Posted: 08/23/14 9:39 am ::: |
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| p_d_swanson wrote: |
Monica Wright has started 19 games over the past four seasons (none in 2011, seven in 2012, three in 2013 and nine in 2014), with the Lynx going 16-3. Her averages and percentages in those contests:
28.0 mpg
10.2 ppg
49.3% FG (74-150)
29.0% 3FG (9-31)
85.7% FT (36-42)
3.3 rpg
3.2 apg
1.58 spg
2.3 TO/gm
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Great stats ... so why do you think there's such a big dropoff when she comes off the bench?
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| p_d_swanson wrote: |
Monica Wright has started 19 games over the past four seasons (none in 2011, seven in 2012, three in 2013 and nine in 2014), with the Lynx going 16-3. Her averages and percentages in those contests:
28.0 mpg
10.2 ppg
49.3% FG (74-150)
29.0% 3FG (9-31)
85.7% FT (36-42)
3.3 rpg
3.2 apg
1.58 spg
2.3 TO/gm
0.47 bpg
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Great stats ... so why do you think there's such a big dropoff when she comes off the bench? |
p_d left off her rookie season in 2010, which was an injury season for MIN (Augustus, Wiggins), so Wright had plenty of opportunity to prove her worth. She started 24 games, averaged 25.5 min, and was painfully disappointing offensively. 37% fg% that year so that would def help bring down the career averages. Pretty much exclusively a jump shooter her first couple of years.
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| What are people's thoughts on Banham? I looked her up on youtube and watched some clips, and other than the obvious that she is a great shooter, I thought her first step was ridiculously slow. She maneuvers her way to the basket in college, but I would question what I saw of her moves working in the WNBA. Albeit a low sample size. But where a player like say Maggie Lucas isn't very fast but has a quick first step, I could see her improving. With Banham I would have serious reservation that she can use that first step to create space and penetrate. |
Banham reminds me of a smaller McBride -- I'm not really convinced she's a PG. Overall, I'd put her on a level with Hartley and Schimmel as sort of tweeners or combo guards -- depending on whether you see that as positive or negative. Banham is the best shooter, Hartley the best defender, and Schimmel the best passer. They're different, but sort of on the same talent level. However, I'm comparing Banham as a junior to Hartley and Schimmel as seniors (I'm not including pro development, which is a whole different conversation). My guess is that Banham can come into the WNBA and be a useful rotation player right away.
As far as Lucas goes, she didn't even have a first step after her junior year. She was pretty much just a spot-up jumpshooter. Even now, how often do you see Lucas beat someone off the dribble and make the lay-up? Like never? I give Lucas credit for improving her game, and with her pushy father, she's likely to keep working. However, I think Banham at the same stage of her career is better than Lucas.
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1. It must be an attempt to get enthusiastic about the 2015 draft, but people have been overvaluing KML all night.
2. I'm not sure about Harrison over Williams. Any reasons? Sell me on Harrison. Will she represent Tennessee as well as Simmons?
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1. agree. still as Clay says she could go #1, though I don't see it happening to Seattle. Love her as a college player, but wondering if she won't be Sidney Spencer part 2. Can really stroke it, but anything else?
2. Think GloJo, not Simmons. And unlike GloJo in college, Izzy has actually shown that she can already make layups. Personally I think E.Will is over-rated and a bit soft as well. At best, she is like JLav (who I really like)...but she doesn't have JLav's touch from midrange. The fact that she is already waffling about wanting to play would also make me scared that her heart isn't really in it and that even if she does play, she would retire early. |
KML is a lot stronger and more aggressive than Sidney Spencer. She has some willingness to bang that Spencer didn't. Her mentality is just more assertive. Really, what's the worst case scenario for KML? You move her to PF, and she becomes the 4 version of Danielle Adams with better shooting accuracy and a slimmer waistline. Yeah, Kaleena will be short and may have some defensive problems. But how many post players will be able to guard her on the perimeter? Adams is slow, but she always finds a way to get open at the 3-point line. That's because post players -- even good athletes -- don't seem comfortable guarding out there. To use a football analogy, it's like linebackers covering tight ends. Even if the LB is faster, the TE usually gets open. It's about maneuvering in space.
As far as Harrison goes, she's good but she has to learn how to stay out of foul trouble. She's just not on the floor enough. Elizabeth Williams is the most over-hyped player in WCBB. Not saying she doesn't have talent, but boy does she disappear whenever there's a big game.
I find it amusing that people continue to ignore Dearica Hamby. She's a long, athletic player who led the ACC in both scoring and rebounding -- and did it efficiently. To me, she's GloJo with more consistency and a better temperament.
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| Posted: 08/23/14 1:26 pm ::: |
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| What are people's thoughts on Banham? I looked her up on youtube and watched some clips, and other than the obvious that she is a great shooter, I thought her first step was ridiculously slow. She maneuvers her way to the basket in college, but I would question what I saw of her moves working in the WNBA. Albeit a low sample size. But where a player like say Maggie Lucas isn't very fast but has a quick first step, I could see her improving. With Banham I would have serious reservation that she can use that first step to create space and penetrate. |
Banham reminds me of a smaller McBride -- I'm not really convinced she's a PG. Overall, I'd put her on a level with Hartley and Schimmel as sort of tweeners or combo guards -- depending on whether you see that as positive or negative. Banham is the best shooter, Hartley the best defender, and Schimmel the best passer. They're different, but sort of on the same talent level. However, I'm comparing Banham as a junior to Hartley and Schimmel as seniors (I'm not including pro development, which is a whole different conversation). My guess is that Banham can come into the WNBA and be a useful rotation player right away.
As far as Lucas goes, she didn't even have a first step after her junior year. She was pretty much just a spot-up jumpshooter. Even now, how often do you see Lucas beat someone off the dribble and make the lay-up? Like never? I give Lucas credit for improving her game, and with her pushy father, she's likely to keep working. However, I think Banham at the same stage of her career is better than Lucas.
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1. It must be an attempt to get enthusiastic about the 2015 draft, but people have been overvaluing KML all night.
2. I'm not sure about Harrison over Williams. Any reasons? Sell me on Harrison. Will she represent Tennessee as well as Simmons?
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1. agree. still as Clay says she could go #1, though I don't see it happening to Seattle. Love her as a college player, but wondering if she won't be Sidney Spencer part 2. Can really stroke it, but anything else?
2. Think GloJo, not Simmons. And unlike GloJo in college, Izzy has actually shown that she can already make layups. Personally I think E.Will is over-rated and a bit soft as well. At best, she is like JLav (who I really like)...but she doesn't have JLav's touch from midrange. The fact that she is already waffling about wanting to play would also make me scared that her heart isn't really in it and that even if she does play, she would retire early. |
KML is a lot stronger and more aggressive than Sidney Spencer. She has some willingness to bang that Spencer didn't. Her mentality is just more assertive. Really, what's the worst case scenario for KML? You move her to PF, and she becomes the 4 version of Danielle Adams with better shooting accuracy and a slimmer waistline. Yeah, Kaleena will be short and may have some defensive problems. But how many post players will be able to guard her on the perimeter? Adams is slow, but she always finds a way to get open at the 3-point line. That's because post players -- even good athletes -- don't seem comfortable guarding out there. To use a football analogy, it's like linebackers covering tight ends. Even if the LB is faster, the TE usually gets open. It's about maneuvering in space.
As far as Harrison goes, she's good but she has to learn how to stay out of foul trouble. She's just not on the floor enough. Elizabeth Williams is the most over-hyped player in WCBB. Not saying she doesn't have talent, but boy does she disappear whenever there's a big game.
I find it amusing that people continue to ignore Dearica Hamby. She's a long, athletic player who led the ACC in both scoring and rebounding -- and did it efficiently. To me, she's GloJo with more consistency and a better temperament. |
Not me I've had Hamby going in the top ten:). She kinda reminds me of Bonner.
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KML as a regular power forward in the WNBA?
I just do not see that ... now maybe if she gets lots of minutes there for UConn, it might make sense.
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KML as a regular power forward in the WNBA?
I just do not see that ... now maybe if she gets lots of minutes there for UConn, it might make sense. |
KML played a lot of 4 in her first two years at UConn while Faris played 3. Just remember, she's bigger than Sophia Young or Catchings, who has played a lot of PF. Kaleena woundn't be the ideal PF, but neither is Danielle Adams the prototypical center. I thought Adams would be a flop, but she proved me wrong. You just need a coach with a little imagination to utilize odd sized players or players with a skill set that isn't normal for their position.
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KML as a regular power forward in the WNBA?
I just do not see that ... now maybe if she gets lots of minutes there for UConn, it might make sense. |
KML played a lot of 4 in her first two years at UConn while Faris played 3. Just remember, she's bigger than Sophia Young or Catchings, who has played a lot of PF. Kaleena woundn't be the ideal PF, but neither is Danielle Adams the prototypical center. I thought Adams would be a flop, but she proved me wrong. You just need a coach with a little imagination to utilize odd sized players or players with a skill set that isn't normal for their position. |
You also need to be on the right team with the right configuration of players around you where the team can compensate for your lack of size, and where your 3 pt shooting is needed enough to be worth the tradeoff. I'm not convinced there is such a team.
And players are a lot bigger in the WNBA than in college. I don't think "well she played there some at UConn" proves anything about her ability to do it at the next level.
How is she going to defend anyone at the 4 in the WNBA?
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A few WNBA scouts have said there isn't any player in the league who shoots the ball better than Kaleena. They also say she'll need to work on her body to get the most out of her shooting ability. I'd add ball-handling as well. She is incredibly strong and has shown a willingness to mix it up in the lane which is another thing the scouts like. Defensively, the toughest part for her will be defending at the wing which has a way of humbling all young players in the WNBA. I'm not sure laterally she's any slower than Maya but she of course lacks Maya's other physical tools which make up for her lack of lateral quickness.
If Kaleena commits herself to getting fitter and quicker she should have an excellent pro career because of her ability to shoot the ball.
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| Hamby: what scares me most is her incredibly high TO rate...and if you say Harrison fouls too much, well, Hamby fouls just as much. She struggles at the FT line and if you project her as a SF, then you have to consider that she can't shoot the three either. Yeah she scores a bunch in college for a team that totally depends on her. Anyway, it'll be interesting to watch her more this year - maybe I'll get more impressed.
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| A few WNBA scouts have said there isn't any player in the league who shoots the ball better than Kaleena. |
I believe Liston has better career averages, against comparable or better competition.
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| They also say she'll need to work on her body to get the most out of her shooting ability. |
Good luck with that. When's she gonna start working on it, right after the draft?
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| I'd add ball-handling as well. |
Zune wants to make her into a shooting guard.
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| She is incredibly strong and has shown a willingness to mix it up in the lane which is another thing the scouts like. |
Where are these scouts at?
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| Defensively, the toughest part for her will be defending at the wing which has a way of humbling all young players in the WNBA. I'm not sure laterally she's any slower than Maya but she of course lacks Maya's other physical tools which make up for her lack of lateral quickness. |
Lacking most of Maya's tools, not to mention lacking Maya's ability to get into top shape, aren't exactly arguments pointing to a game changer.
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| If Kaleena commits herself to getting fitter and quicker she should have an excellent pro career because of her ability to shoot the ball. |
The big IF shows up again.
I don't think anybody's arguing against KML being the #1 pick.
Will she be ROY? I'm not so sure. It'll probably go to the top 6 pick who falls into the best situation. TUL probably would be the best situation for KML.
People usually go gaga for the #1 pick, but I don't see this one being the franchise player it has been for the past 7 years. But she'll definitely stick to the league unless she develops chronic injuries. She's been snakebit recently.
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| Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis is listed at 5'11". That doesn't appear to be an underestimation. Not many listed 5'11" power forwards in the history of the WNBA.
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