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toad455 · Posted: 07/25/19 8:36 am :::

It doesn't matter what came out from this, his base will still support him. Putin could say he rigged the election so Trump would win with proof on national TV and his base would still back him. It doesn't matter what happens to him or what he says, his base will always stick by him and put him on a pedestal.

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jammerbirdi · Posted: 07/25/19 8:22 pm :::

cthskzfn · Posted: 07/26/19 8:18 am :::

Trump is a criminal to the extent unseen in US politics in my lifetime, likely ever.

Barr is as anti-democratic, as is McConnell.

This unholy trinity is overseeing the end of US democracy and ushering in an era of US fascism.

It's less about "getting" these fuckers as it is about preserving the system of checks and balances as written in our glorious constitution, and protecting the sanctity of our damn elections, ffs.

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jammerbirdi · Posted: 07/26/19 10:47 am :::

justintyme · Posted: 07/26/19 1:19 pm :::

The idea that going all in on immigration is a winning strategy for Trump is not supported by any evidence at all. In fact, there is significant evidence that the more he doubles down on it, the more it hurts his chances. It is something that plays very well with his base, but it is something that swing voters just don't really care about. That is supported both by the polls--and since people when the polls don't say what people want them to day the first response is "well it's people not represented in the polls"--the empirical evidence of the 2018 elections. He went all in on immigration. It was the issue. And he got destroyed on it.

Trump's best best for 2020 is the economy. Full stop.

Any issue that distracts from that hurts him.

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jammerbirdi · Posted: 07/26/19 4:01 pm :::

I don't think he has to go "all in on immigration' although he won't be able to stop himself. He doesn't have to even mention it or his support for the police. What I'm saying is that a significant portion of the American public are now looking at what has become a clear binary proposition when it comes to two things they care deeply about. And they care so much about these things as to NOT care what kind of an unfit clown Donald Trump is otherwise. They don't care even if they clearly see that and agree with that assessment. If he is the only one strongly supporting law enforcement and a hard line against illegal crossings at the border and not answering to the outraged woke social justice warriors on the left on these two issues, he is going to get those votes.

And we know he's going to be running against a candidate who will invariably be answering to this loud and powerful social media ruling monster on the left represented by people calling much of America racist and Nazis, etc.

I mean, lol, just look at some of the threads here right now. How long does it take before someone starts posting pictures of Nazis?

So my post isn't really about what Donald Trump should run on. I think, by the way, Trump has that one in the bag. He's running against AOC, Omar, and the Squad. No matter the candidate on the other side, he's running against this group and is going to characterize this election as being him against them. And that's going to be very fruitful for him I think. They are an absolute American political disaster.

No, my point is that there is a bunch of Americans who AGREE that Trump is just about every bad thing that can be said about him. But they'll vote for him because of their own concerns about what is happening with law enforcement right now, which I won't bother typing here, and their own feelings about these border crossings that are happening to the point that they have overwhelmed the border patrol and our ability to absorb and process them and it's not a myth but something that has created a lot of problems. I italicized that because a lot people will articulate it just that simply. It's causing a lot of problems.

Or, you could say that Trump's hard line has created the problems. And there is the choice. People storming the US border throwing themselves by the thousands plus children into the Rio Grande and a president who they see as merely taking a hard line in enforcing the law, or weeping celebrities and AOC visiting the border and the tragically unfair and un-American concentration camps that recall Nazi Germany. Your choice.

And the economy is doing well but I think that's for people for whom things go well when the economy goes well. Inequality and people working three jobs and all of that is still a thing in America and it's not likely to ever not be a thing. I don't think Trump has been good for Trump voters on the economy. I just don't think anything, anybody or any policy could give this part of America relief in the short term and I don't think that part of America really ever believed Trump would change their fortunes anyway and certainly not quickly.

But this swing part that's probably most concerned with being protected and the border etc. is probably doing okay with their retirement accounts etc. but anyone who is doing well in this economy doesn't need ANY ONE to tell them about it. We know.

As far as supporting evidence. I mean, come on. At this point, justintyme, have some respect for people throwing things out there based on their own reading of the political landscape. Like especially me. Hello. Because I've now called so much of this shit before it happens I should hang a neon sign outside my place offering Psychic consultations.

You know I can predict the future, right? No REALLY. I can. And have. Don't ask me to prove it unless you want it to be proved.

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Howee · Posted: 07/26/19 5:23 pm :::

justintyme · Posted: 07/26/19 6:14 pm :::

cthskzfn · Posted: 07/26/19 8:52 pm :::

mercfan3 · Posted: 07/26/19 11:28 pm :::

Jammer - you got it wrong, like really wrong.

Trump voters aren't voting for Trump in spite of how horrible he is..they LIKE how horrible he is.

They like that they have been able to come out of the closet with their horrid internal thoughts.

There has been a significant increase in racist rhetoric. In hate crimes. We had a god damn Nazi rally, and the President of the United States said some fo them are good people.

Nazis aren't ever good people.

Cut the bullshit with immigration. It’s racism. No one cares about the Canadians coming into the country, and there is no reason for people in..say..Kentucky or Indiana, no where near the god damn border..to be concerned about immigrants.

Oh, and it’s been at an all time low since the end of the Obama administration.

Call it what it is.

Second, there isn’t a class divide over Trump. There is a white divide. Period. Again, we see clear as day racism.

Liberal elites are running the country. LMAO. Sure. Keep watching Fox. Hollywood and celebrities aren't running the country Jammer.

Trump's win was heartbreaking to me (even with the cheating..the fact that it was close was abysmal) because I got it.

Racism exists at different levels. Our country is still systemically racist, and there is no doubt that implicit bias exists and the idea of colorblindness is pervasive. But I hadn't realized the extent that individual - hateful - racism exists. Not until Donald won.

That being said, I think something else happened. A political strategist described the difference between two campaigns he was a part of, his candidates ran against David Duke.

The first time was a race for the Governor. Conventional wisdom was to not bring up his racist beliefs. To talk about his other negatives - he hadn't payed taxes, for instance.

The result. Duke won.

Then Duke ran for the senate. Instead of running on Duke's other negatives, they ran against his racism.

Duke actually got more votes that time, but he lost. Why? More people voted. When they suppressed his racism, and talked about his other faults..it was normalized. He was "just another candidate." When it was opened up, people were hellbent to go and vote.

And we need to do the same thing in 2020.

In 2016 MSM equated the two candidates. As if Clinton's small negatives (being careless with three emails) was equated to Trump's racism against immigrants, sexual assault, as if they were the same type of bad.

Clinton didn't mess up by calling his voters deplorable - she messed up by apologizing and only doing it once.

Democrats need to stop going after people who are lost in the Republican/foxnews mindset. It's not happening. They need to get more people to the polls because more people are Democrats.

if they want to make a play for some conservatives - they should talk about their support for the veterans, as opposed to the way the GOP treats vets. The Americana aspect of support for our troops has tribalistic (and thus, problematic) aspects, but it's an easy play...and Democrats should no longer let the GOP own "American culture." They aren't supportive of the vets.

The Dem nominee needs to run on the idea that Trump is a racist traitor, and that they are the true American. (And American culture includes diversity now.)

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jammerbirdi · Posted: 07/27/19 2:36 am :::

jammerbirdi · Posted: 07/27/19 4:31 am :::

mercfan I don't watch FoxNews. I got the Hawley quote from twitter. I think I've been very explicit about how I've come to my political perspectives and how I began having criticisms of my own political party and side beginning as a very young person. 12 maybe.

I know Trump has a base and some very large portion of it is flat-out racist. He won't win without a lot more voters than that base and I'm describing what I think will be the deciding factors for a lot of other voters who might swing this election for Trump.

Democrats should have a great advantage in terms of their ground game and passion to defeat Trump. We'll see. I think there will be enough mistakes made by the party as it acquiesces to its more progressive base and in the process continues to alienate moderate voters in swing states. And that's how Trump will win.

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Shades · Posted: 07/27/19 8:53 am :::

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Howee · Posted: 07/27/19 9:03 am :::

mercfan3 · Posted: 07/27/19 9:07 am :::

Shades · Posted: 07/28/19 1:52 pm :::

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