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Genero36
Joined: 24 Apr 2005 Posts: 11188
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Posted: 12/29/17 10:49 pm ::: The Better Singer? Garland or Streisand? |
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Genero36
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Posted: 12/29/17 10:57 pm ::: |
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jammerbirdi
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Posted: 12/30/17 11:57 am ::: |
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We’re going to have to leave this for gay men to decide.
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GlennMacGrady
Joined: 03 Jan 2005 Posts: 8264 Location: Heisenberg
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Posted: 12/30/17 2:02 pm ::: |
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That's certainly a choice between two of the greatest ever from movies, Broadway and records. Different voice qualities. Garland's was naturally lower and became even lower and raspier as an adult with all her smoking and drug addiction, until her voice eventually became shot. Streisand sings more through her New Yawk nose and preserved her voice better.
Though close, I gave the edge to Streisand.
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Ay Mate
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Posted: 12/30/17 3:40 pm ::: |
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jammerbirdi wrote: |
We’re going to have to leave this for gay men to decide. |
Stereotyping much?
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Richard 77
Joined: 19 Nov 2004 Posts: 4153 Location: Lake Mills, Wisconsin
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Posted: 12/30/17 4:01 pm ::: |
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Ay Mate wrote: |
jammerbirdi wrote: |
We’re going to have to leave this for gay men to decide. |
Stereotyping much? |
That's what I thought.
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PUmatty
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Posted: 12/30/17 5:13 pm ::: |
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Ay Mate wrote: |
jammerbirdi wrote: |
We’re going to have to leave this for gay men to decide. |
Stereotyping much? |
This gay man prefers PJ Harvey.
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tfan
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Posted: 12/30/17 8:22 pm ::: |
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I was surprised to hear Bette Midler talk about how she had all these passionate gay male fans, thinking that gay men would not be that into female singers. But I am guessing it has more to do with the style of music sung by Midler (and Garland and Streisand).
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Queenie
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Posted: 12/30/17 11:31 pm ::: |
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jammerbirdi wrote: |
We’re going to have to leave this for gay men to decide. |
...yeah, I think that's only the kind of thing you can get away with saying if you're a gay dude- and, for that matter, one of a specific generation and social class. This is the kind of joke I would be comfortable making with my middle-class middle-aged white dad, but probably wouldn't make with his younger, Latino boarder.
(sorry for the pile-on, jammer, but I thought bringing up the cultural gap was important too)
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GlennMacGrady
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Posted: 12/31/17 2:10 am ::: |
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Queenie wrote: |
jammerbirdi wrote: |
We’re going to have to leave this for gay men to decide. |
...yeah, I think that's only the kind of thing you can get away with saying if you're a gay dude- and, for that matter, one of a specific generation and social class. This is the kind of joke I would be comfortable making with my middle-class middle-aged white dad, but probably wouldn't make with his younger, Latino boarder.
(sorry for the pile-on, jammer, but I thought bringing up the cultural gap was important too) |
I had no problem with jammer's comment, because I literally had no idea what he was referring to. Nor did I understand what the "stereotype" was or the "joke" or the "cultural gap".
So I read about "gay icons" in the entertainment industry. Is it a fact? If so, it can't be a joke or a cultural faux pas to discuss. It's truth. And why should anyone be afraid or offended by truth?
If gay iconism is not a fact, why is there so much intellectual pontification about it, and why would one culture but not some other be offended by it?
I'm iconoclastic about the whole concept; I think it's a broken crock. I absolutely believe Judy Garland was beloved by gay people. She was beloved by everyone -- everyone who has ever seen The Wizard of Oz as a child -- and gays are a subset of everyone.
Every so-called gay icon I've read about from the world of entertainment fame -- Garland, Dietrich, Bette Davis, Joan Crawford, Cary Grant, the list is endless -- are the very same stars who were or are icons for everyone. No one can prove anything statistically, but I would bet the these stars have had the same percentage of heterosexuals as fans as the percentage of homosexuals.
Well . . . now that I have a better understanding of this issue and have formed a tentative opinion about it, I'm better able to have an opinion on jammer's comment. Jammer was either stating a truism about the world, or he was lampooning an unprovable stereotype.
Since I like both truth and lampoons, I'm not offended either way. What does offend me is the perpetually offended and humorless class. |
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Ay Mate
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Posted: 12/31/17 9:18 am ::: |
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And I’m offended by those who makes jokes at or towards other people at their expense. Just sayin’.
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Howee
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Posted: 12/31/17 4:12 pm ::: |
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jammerbirdi wrote: |
We’re going to have to leave this for gay men to decide. |
Well I love you for it, jammer. Really. And I think it was most apropos.
Queenie wrote: |
...yeah, I think that's only the kind of thing you can get away with saying if you're a gay dude- and, for that matter, one of a specific generation and social class. This is the kind of joke I would be comfortable making with my middle-class middle-aged white dad, but probably wouldn't make with his younger, Latino boarder.
(sorry for the pile-on, jammer, but I thought bringing up the cultural gap was important too) |
See, I think jammer's comment (undoubtedly tongue-in-cheek anyway) is more of an indicator that he--like many--defers to gays as better *judges* of such talent. Valid or not, that's another matter.....but it's not necessarily derogatory in any way. And, as (probably?) the more senior of Reb's gay male denizens at 62, I'd also suggest that his comment is more reflective of a generational divide than a cultural one: jammer and I are about the same age, and recognize how iconic Streisand and Garland have been in the gay culture. Lotsa *kidz these dayz* barely remember them. Hell, Garland's death is even credited as being a precipitating factor in the six-days-later Stonewall Riot, by heightening such raw emotions with her passing. People under 30 might not even be able to tell you who/what/where Stonewall is.
tfan wrote: |
I was surprised to hear Bette Midler talk about how she had all these passionate gay male fans, thinking that gay men would not be that into female singers. But I am guessing it has more to do with the style of music sung by Midler (and Garland and Streisand). |
That's cute, tfan, but ima take it you don't follow the Drag Scene: Queens have been emulating these women for decades: they ARE their idols, from Garland, Streisand, Cher, Dolly, Minelli, et.al.,....they are their reasons for living!
I've heard Bette even credit the gay culture for initiating her success: she's said that it was the gays that fervently embraced her style, back when the best gigs she could land were in the gay bathhouses. Her wild success there propelled her onto Bigger Things.
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Posted: 12/31/17 9:50 pm ::: |
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Her voice is very sweet here. The piano player is a god. And, I might add, what it was like to be able to sit at home and have a jazz performance like this on TV.
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jammerbirdi
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Posted: 12/31/17 9:58 pm ::: |
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There are a lot of versions of this tune on YouTube but this one takes no prisoners.
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jammerbirdi
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Posted: 12/31/17 10:00 pm ::: |
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A rare live performance from her younger days.
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GlennMacGrady
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Posted: 01/01/18 2:30 am ::: |
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Judy was a contralto; Streisand, a mezzo soprano.
Here's Judy at age 7 in 1929 as the youngest of the three Gumm sisters (plus other clips):
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jammerbirdi
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Posted: 01/02/18 7:26 pm ::: |
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Judy and Count Basie. Her performance in this opening sequence is one of those things that humbles even musicians.
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StevenHW
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calbearman76
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Posted: 01/03/18 12:50 am ::: |
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Barbra by a mile. She is the best pop singer in my humble opinion, and someone who only made it as an entertainer because of her voice. Judy was good, at times very good, but her talent derived from her childhood poise and charisma as well as her voice. Judy led the more intriguing life, but for pure voice it is Barbra.
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