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PostPosted: 01/25/17 10:44 pm    ::: Trump ABC Interview Reply Reply with quote

Trump is scary.

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http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/transcript-abc-news-anchor-david-muir-interviews-president/story?id=45047602



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PostPosted: 01/25/17 10:53 pm    ::: Re: Trump ABC Interview Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
Trump is scary.

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PostPosted: 01/25/17 11:34 pm    ::: Re: Trump ABC Interview Reply Reply with quote

justintyme wrote:
Shades wrote:
Trump is scary.

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PostPosted: 01/25/17 11:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Fuck this guy and all the cowards in the legislative branch who are enabling him. I'm so ashamed to be an American.




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PostPosted: 01/26/17 12:07 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

sigur3 wrote:
Fuck this guy. I'm so ashamed to be an American.


Doesn't air here until 10. Do I dare watch?


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PostPosted: 01/26/17 12:53 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

RM619 wrote:
sigur3 wrote:
Fuck this guy. I'm so ashamed to be an American.


Doesn't air here until 10. Do I dare watch?


Only if you're ready to help fight this.


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PostPosted: 01/26/17 11:41 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It's astonishing how ill-informed and unprepared he seems



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PostPosted: 01/26/17 11:46 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
It's astonishing how ill-informed and unprepared he seems


I think you mean "is."

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PostPosted: 01/26/17 12:56 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ex-Ref wrote:
pilight wrote:
It's astonishing how ill-informed and unprepared he seems


I think you mean "is."

Sad


Is it really astonishing, given what we saw from him during the campaign? Everyone who was not in a coma or deluded by garbage "news" saw what he was. He is every bit as bad as expected. The Republicans who enable him are traitors to our democracy IMO.


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PostPosted: 01/26/17 1:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Ex-Ref wrote:
pilight wrote:
It's astonishing how ill-informed and unprepared he seems


I think you mean "is."

Sad

IMO "seems" is even worse. In the role of head of state, appearances do matter. When a president is even incapable of acting informed and prepared we are in serious trouble.



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PostPosted: 01/26/17 1:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

insidewinder wrote:
Ex-Ref wrote:
pilight wrote:
It's astonishing how ill-informed and unprepared he seems


I think you mean "is."

Sad


Is it really astonishing, given what we saw from him during the campaign? Everyone who was not in a coma or deluded by garbage "news" saw what he was. He is every bit as bad as expected. The Republicans who enable him are traitors to our democracy IMO.


He keeps revealing new depths to what he doesn't know and doesn't care to find out



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PostPosted: 01/26/17 1:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It's astonishing how insecure the clown is. Every other sentence is some permutation of "well mine's bigger than yours".


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PostPosted: 01/26/17 1:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
insidewinder wrote:
Ex-Ref wrote:
pilight wrote:
It's astonishing how ill-informed and unprepared he seems


I think you mean "is."

Sad


Is it really astonishing, given what we saw from him during the campaign? Everyone who was not in a coma or deluded by garbage "news" saw what he was. He is every bit as bad as expected. The Republicans who enable him are traitors to our democracy IMO.


He keeps revealing new depths to what he doesn't know and doesn't care to find out

That, and that he seems to get his policy based upon The O'Reilly Factor...literally.

Trump's Chicago tweet is another response to cable news



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PostPosted: 01/26/17 2:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

So hours after the Mexican President said "screw you, I'm not meeting next week", Trump says they both "agreed" to cancel it.

Meanwhile, Trump believes torture is great and effective, while Ryan and McConnell respond that torture is illegal and "we support that" (it being illegal).

Oh, and Trump wants a Congressional investigation of the "millions" of illegal voters, while Congressional leaders say " nah, we're not interested in doing that."

And nobody's even bothering to ask the Democrats what they think.


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PostPosted: 01/26/17 2:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ArtBest23 wrote:

Meanwhile, Trump believes torture is great and effective, while Ryan and McConnell respond that torture is illegal and "we support that" (it being illegal).


Give it another week or two. They'll cave just like they have on everything else so far.


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PostPosted: 01/26/17 4:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I watched the show and all the ABC out-takes. What exactly is "scary"? About what is he "ill informed"? I'd really like to hear some specifics.

Much of the show/out-takes were fluff and tours of the White House. On substantive policy, Trump said nothing particularly different from what he said hundreds of times as a candidate--i.e., the very things that got him elected. Except he seems to have softened on deporting "dreamers".

The ABC interviewer, having no interest or perhaps ability to discuss policy in depth, like most of the MSM, kept trying to focus on a few controversial comments, which Trump always makes but which are completely irrelevant to the avalanche of substantive actions he is taking as President, and even as President-Elect, on his key campaign issues of economic recovery, border security, regulation reform, health care reform, sanctuary cities, defunding of abortion, federal hiring freezes, and expanding the military.

These irrelevant but superficial click-baity tangents include crowd size, how many illegals voted (as they most surely did), and torture.

As to torture, Trump has been very clear: He personally believes it is effective (as has the entire warring world since the beginning of time); however, he will defer to his Secretary of Defense and CIA Director as to their views on the matter, both of whom have disavowed it as unnecessary. He also implied that if those cabinet members were inclined to re-institute waterboarding, he would cooperate with them in trying to get appropriate legislation to change current law.

People who expect Trump to change to be more "presidential" simply don't get it. Trump the President will be essentially the same person as Trump the prodigiously successful candidate -- both in policy and personality. He has to be. Otherwise, he would not be nearly as effective in shaping legislative, corporate and foreign affairs as he has already begun to be. He is already showing himself to be the hardest working and most hands-on president anyone has ever seen. That's what this country needs in the opinion of those who elected him, and probably lots of people who didn't.

That all said, a part of what Trump says in speeches and on television are hard initial positions for negotiations he expects in the future. Right now, for example, he is negotiating via social media and public statements with Mexico's president. He told Nieto to go pound salt and walk away if he didn't like Trump's executive orders. That's a strong and good initial negotiating tactic. Trump also understands that Nieto has to negotiate internally with his own political opponents and populace. Trump will use that to America's advantage when face-to-face negotiations begin. In the end, Trump will accept reasonable compromises that are favorable enough for America.
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PostPosted: 01/26/17 4:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

GlennMacGrady wrote:
As to torture, Trump has been very clear: He personally believes it is effective (as has the entire warring world since the beginning of time)


Like Astrology, it persists despite all evidence against it.



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PostPosted: 01/26/17 4:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

That is some major whitewashing of what his policies are. And Trump the candidate was scary as hell too, just that there was some hope he was all bluster and wouldn't follow through or would tone it down if he became president.

A great example of "scary" is his order that the Government start posting on the White House site a continuously updated "list" of crimes committed by immigrants. This is governmental propaganda to demonzie immigrants and their allies that is straight out of the Third Reich and how they addressed Judenfrage.

But even those things you mentioned are scary as hell. His extreme stance on border security, regulation reform (including the gutting of the EPA and clean energy programs), the importance of scientific fact, sanctuary cities, defunding abortion, and torture are all enough to truly fear for the direction of this country over the next four years. Any intellegent, objective person should be absolutely terrified by the things he is saying. Even more terrifying is that a third of America seems to be lock step with him and another 10% are so set on one issue or another that they are willing to accept the rest of his disgustingness.



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pilight wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
As to torture, Trump has been very clear: He personally believes it is effective (as has the entire warring world since the beginning of time)


Like Astrology, it persists despite all evidence against it.

Torture has never been about getting to the truth, it is about getting people to confirm a "truth" that you already believe. With Trump's narcissistic world view of "alternative facts" it makes complete sense that Trump would believe it effective since the only truth he cares about is his own.



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PostPosted: 01/26/17 4:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
As to torture, Trump has been very clear: He personally believes it is effective (as has the entire warring world since the beginning of time)


Like Astrology, it persists despite all evidence against it.


What evidence?
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GlennMacGrady wrote:
pilight wrote:
GlennMacGrady wrote:
As to torture, Trump has been very clear: He personally believes it is effective (as has the entire warring world since the beginning of time)


Like Astrology, it persists despite all evidence against it.


What evidence?

For one:
The Effects and Effectiveness of Using Torture as an Interrogation Device: Using Research to Inform the Policy Debate

And then the US Senate's Select Committee's 5 year and 6700 page report investigating "enhanced interrogation techniques" found that the "use of the CIA's enhanced interrogation techniques was not an effective means of obtaining accurate information or gaining detainee cooperation."



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PostPosted: 01/26/17 5:03 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

justintyme wrote:

Torture has never been about getting to the truth, it is about getting people to confirm a "truth" that you already believe.


It's hopeless to discuss an issue with someone who believes that modern, politically correct, neo-liberal propaganda.

Right, all the armies from Biblical times to the Cold War -- in the West, Asia, Africa, and every other known country in history -- tortured enemy soldiers and spies, not to find out about enemy troop positions and military plans or the locations of hostages, but were doing so just to confirm their own beliefs about those matters.

Alice in Wonderland.
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PostPosted: 01/26/17 5:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

GlennMacGrady wrote:
justintyme wrote:

Torture has never been about getting to the truth, it is about getting people to confirm a "truth" that you already believe.


It's hopeless to discuss an issue with someone who believes that modern, politically correct, neo-liberal propaganda.

Right, all the armies from Biblical times to the Cold War -- in the West, Asia, Africa, and every other known country in history -- tortured enemy soldiers and spies, not to find out about enemy troop positions and military plans or the locations of hostages, but were doing so just to confirm their own beliefs about those matters.

Alice in Wonderland.
And yet the evidence all says otherwise. But everyone knows that if it had always been done it must mean that it is effective.

I have been feeling ill lately, perhaps I can find a doctor to give me a good bleeding to get rid of those bad humours.



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I see no evidence that torture is not effective, including in the one study cited. There is lots of discussion that torture is used for purposes other than the extraction of evidence for military purposes, which is surely true. The author had no access to the great torturers of the world, both past and present.

The main point is that torture should not even be an issue discussed regarding what Trump is doing as President of the United States. He has said his administration will not torture or waterboard. He has acknowledged since the Republican debates that it is illegal. The only thing he says is that it's his personal belief that it works, and he only says that because interviewers looking for click bait keep asking him about it.

justintyme wrote:
Any intellegent, objective person should be absolutely terrified by the things he is saying.


Further down the rabbit hole. Do your sweeping ideological and identity politics generalizations never give you pause?

Right again, everyone who voted for Trump or who is favorable to Trump policy is unintelligent and unobjective. So, we must assume, are all the investors who are driving the stock market to unprecedented highs, the union and corporate bosses who are praising Trump's policies, the majority of the military, police officers and border officers who voted for him, all the Republican opponents who are now supporting him, all the polled citizens who are driving his polls upwards, all the nationalist political movements around the world that are modeling him. All in two months since his election.

What Trump wants to do is simple: more jobs, more take home pay, more border security, less terrorism, fewer business-stifling regulations, and lower taxes.

Let's wait and see what actually happens over the next two years, rather than wallowing around in irrational fears and (often violent) intolerance.
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Heil Twitler!



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