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PostPosted: 09/14/11 1:46 pm    ::: Depth of draft Reply Reply with quote

23 of the 36 drafted players from the 2011 draft made WNBA appearances this year. That's 64% of the draftees, the highest rate since 2008. Overall 64% is a middling number, 9th highest of the 16 WNBA drafts.

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Draft       Players     Appeared Initial     Appeared Eventual

Elite         16           15  94%              15  94%
1997          32           31  97%              31  97%
1998          40           35  88%              37  93%
1999          50           48  96%              49  98%
2000          64           44  69%              44  69%
2001          64           38  59%              40  63%
2002          64           27  42%              29  45%
2003          42           19  45%              22  52%
2004          38           27  71%              31  82%
2005          39           22  56%              25  64%
2006          42           28  67%              31  74%
2007          39           23  59%              27  69%
2008          43           34  79%              36  84%
2009          39           20  51%              21  55%
2010          36           18  50%              20  56%
2011          36           23  64%              23  64%


1997-2002 were four round drafts.  2003- have been three rounds.  Elite draft was two rounds.



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PostPosted: 09/14/11 2:04 pm    ::: Re: Depth of draft Reply Reply with quote

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23 of the 36 drafted players from the 2011 draft made WNBA appearances this year. That's 64% of the draftees, the highest rate since 2008. Overall 64% is a middling number, 9th highest of the 16 WNBA drafts.

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Draft       Players     Appeared Initial     Appeared Eventual

Elite         16           15  94%              15  94%
1997          32           31  97%              31  97%
1998          40           35  88%              37  93%
1999          50           48  96%              49  98%
2000          64           44  69%              44  69%
2001          64           38  59%              40  63%
2002          64           27  42%              29  45%
2003          42           19  45%              22  52%
2004          38           27  71%              31  82%
2005          39           22  56%              25  64%
2006          42           28  67%              31  74%
2007          39           23  59%              27  69%
2008          43           34  79%              36  84%
2009          39           20  51%              21  55%
2010          36           18  50%              20  56%
2011          36           23  64%              23  64%


1997-2002 were four round drafts.  2003- have been three rounds.  Elite draft was two rounds.


I wonder (hint, hint) what the percentages for the first three round draftees from 97-02 appeared Very Happy


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PostPosted: 09/14/11 3:12 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I would be interested to know 'substantial' appearances as opposed to someone who 'appeared' once or twice for two minutes... maybe those who were on a roster for a whole season. While interesting I just don't think these numbers give a very meaningful look at 'depth.'


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PostPosted: 09/14/11 3:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

myrtle wrote:
I would be interested to know 'substantial' appearances as opposed to someone who 'appeared' once or twice for two minutes... maybe those who were on a roster for a whole season. While interesting I just don't think these numbers give a very meaningful look at 'depth.'


How substantial is substantial? I have a chart on my site that details how many have scored 1000+ points and so on.



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PostPosted: 09/14/11 4:19 pm    ::: Re: Depth of draft Reply Reply with quote

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I wonder (hint, hint) what the percentages for the first three round draftees from 97-02 appeared


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Draft       Players     Appeared Initial     Appeared Eventual

1997          24           23  96%              23  96%
1998          30           30 100%              30 100%
1999          36           35  97%              35  97%
2000          48           37  77%              37  77%
2001          48           34  71%              36  75%
2002          48           27  56%              29  60%



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PostPosted: 09/14/11 6:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

When did the league go to 11 players per team with no injured reserve? 2009?

Whenever it was, it should have lead to fewer rookies making teams, but it doesn't look that way.

Also, 2008 sure was a banner year. I wonder what accounts for that.


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PostPosted: 09/14/11 7:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

nsw43 wrote:
Also, 2008 sure was a banner year. I wonder what accounts for that.


It was a good draft in an expansion season.



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PostPosted: 09/14/11 7:23 pm    ::: Re: Depth of draft Reply Reply with quote

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I wonder (hint, hint) what the percentages for the first three round draftees from 97-02 appeared


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Draft       Players     Appeared Initial     Appeared Eventual

1997          24           23  96%              23  96%
1998          30           30 100%              30 100%
1999          36           35  97%              35  97%
2000          48           37  77%              37  77%
2001          48           34  71%              36  75%
2002          48           27  56%              29  60%


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PostPosted: 09/25/12 1:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Update for 2012

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Draft       Players     Appeared Initial     Appeared Eventual

Elite         16           15  94%              15  94%
1997          32           31  97%              31  97%
1998          40           35  88%              37  93%
1999          50           48  96%              49  98%
2000          64           44  69%              44  69%
2001          64           38  59%              40  63%
2002          64           27  42%              29  45%
2003          42           19  45%              22  52%
2004          38           27  71%              31  82%
2005          39           22  56%              25  64%
2006          42           28  67%              31  74%
2007          39           23  59%              27  69%
2008          43           34  79%              36  84%
2009          39           20  51%              22  56%
2010          36           18  50%              21  58%
2011          36           23  64%              23  64%
2012          36           18  50%              18  50%


1997-2002 were four round drafts. 2003-present have been three rounds. Elite draft was two rounds.

Bear in mind that players have been known to appear as many as seven years after being drafted. We had a 2009 and a 2010 draftee make their debut this year.



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there were three first round picks that didn't play a regular season game(Dabo, Dantas & Barrett), percentage wise(25%), is that a record??



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PostPosted: 09/25/12 2:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

toad455 wrote:
there were three first round picks that didn't play a regular season game(Dabo, Dantas & Barrett), percentage wise(25%), is that a record??


It is a record both in number and percentage. There were four previous occasions when two first round picks didn't play they year they were drafted: 2010 (Danielle McCray and Bianca Thomas), 2007 (Carla Thomas and Sandrine Gruda), 2003 (Molly Creamer and Allison Curtin), and 2002 (Tawana McDonald and Rosalind Ross).



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PostPosted: 09/25/12 3:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
toad455 wrote:
there were three first round picks that didn't play a regular season game(Dabo, Dantas & Barrett), percentage wise(25%), is that a record??


It is a record both in number and percentage. There were four previous occasions when two first round picks didn't play they year they were drafted: 2010 (Danielle McCray and Bianca Thomas), 2007 (Carla Thomas and Sandrine Gruda), 2003 (Molly Creamer and Allison Curtin), and 2002 (Tawana McDonald and Rosalind Ross).

Carla Thomas played as a rookie, I think.



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PostPosted: 09/16/13 8:16 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Code:
Draft       Players     Appeared Initial     Appeared Eventual

Elite         16           15  94%              15  94%
1997          32           31  97%              31  97%
1998          40           35  88%              37  93%
1999          50           48  96%              49  98%
2000          64           44  69%              44  69%
2001          64           38  59%              40  63%
2002          64           27  42%              29  45%
2003          42           19  45%              22  52%
2004          38           27  71%              31  82%
2005          39           22  56%              25  64%
2006          42           28  67%              31  74%
2007          39           23  59%              27  69%
2008          43           34  79%              36  84%
2009          39           20  51%              22  56%
2010          36           18  50%              21  58%
2011          36           23  64%              24  67%
2012          36           18  50%              19  53%
2013          36           24  67%

1997-2002 were four round drafts.  2003-present have been three rounds.  Elite draft was two rounds.



Initial results suggest this was the deepest draft since 2008.



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PostPosted: 09/16/13 1:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Code:
Draft       Players     Appeared Initial     Appeared Eventual

Elite         16           15  94%              15  94%
1997          32           31  97%              31  97%
1998          40           35  88%              37  93%
1999          50           48  96%              49  98%
2000          64           44  69%              44  69%
2001          64           38  59%              40  63%
2002          64           27  42%              29  45%
2003          42           19  45%              22  52%
2004          38           27  71%              31  82%
2005          39           22  56%              25  64%
2006          42           28  67%              31  74%
2007          39           23  59%              27  69%
2008          43           34  79%              36  84%
2009          39           20  51%              22  56%
2010          36           18  50%              21  58%
2011          36           23  64%              24  67%
2012          36           18  50%              19  53%
2013          36           24  67%

1997-2002 were four round drafts.  2003-present have been three rounds.  Elite draft was two rounds.



Initial results suggest this was the deepest draft since 2008.


Mystics helped with this year's stats. Four rookies playing decent minutes, one undrafted. Of course, when measuring percentage of drafted players, having an undrafted player actually could lower the percentage of drafted players playing in the league. And that undrafted player took the roster spot of a 2012 first rounder (Novosel).



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PostPosted: 09/19/13 11:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

readyAIMfire53 wrote:
Of course, when measuring percentage of drafted players, having an undrafted player actually could lower the percentage of drafted players playing in the league. And that undrafted player took the roster spot of a 2012 first rounder (Novosel).


Actually, the correlation tends to go the other way. We had six undrafted rookies appear this season, the most since 2008. In 2010, when only half the drafted rookies made appearances, there were only three undrafted rookies that made rosters.



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2014 update

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Draft       Players     Appeared Initial     Appeared Eventual

Elite         16           15  94%              15  94%
1997          32           31  97%              31  97%
1998          40           35  88%              37  93%
1999          50           48  96%              49  98%
2000          64           44  69%              44  69%
2001          64           38  59%              40  63%
2002          64           27  42%              29  45%
2003          42           19  45%              22  52%
2004          38           27  71%              31  82%
2005          39           22  56%              25  64%
2006          42           28  67%              31  74%
2007          39           23  59%              27  69%
2008          43           34  79%              36  84%
2009          39           20  51%              23  59%
2010          36           18  50%              22  61%
2011          36           23  64%              24  67%
2012          36           18  50%              21  58%
2013          36           24  67%              26  72%
2014          36           19  53%

1997-2002 were four round drafts.  2003-present have been three rounds.  Elite draft was two rounds.



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2015 update

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Draft       Players     Appeared Initial     Appeared Eventual

Elite         16           15  94%              15  94%
1997          32           31  97%              31  97%
1998          40           35  88%              37  93%
1999          50           48  96%              49  98%
2000          64           44  69%              44  69%
2001          64           38  59%              40  63%
2002          64           27  42%              29  45%
2003          42           19  45%              22  52%
2004          38           27  71%              31  82%
2005          39           22  56%              25  64%
2006          42           28  67%              31  74%
2007          39           23  59%              27  69%
2008          43           34  79%              36  84%
2009          39           20  51%              23  59%
2010          36           18  50%              22  61%
2011          36           23  64%              24  67%
2012          36           18  50%              22  61%
2013          36           24  67%              26  72%
2014          36           19  53%              22  61%
2015          36           20  56%



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2016 update

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Draft       Players     Appeared Initial     Appeared Eventual

Elite         16           15  94%              15  94%
1997          32           31  97%              31  97%
1998          40           35  88%              37  93%
1999          50           48  96%              49  98%
2000          64           44  69%              44  69%
2001          64           38  59%              40  63%
2002          64           27  42%              29  45%
2003          42           19  45%              22  52%
2004          38           27  71%              31  82%
2005          39           22  56%              25  64%
2006          42           28  67%              31  74%
2007          39           23  59%              27  69%
2008          43           34  79%              36  84%
2009          39           20  51%              23  59%
2010          36           18  50%              22  61%
2011          36           23  64%              24  67%
2012          36           18  50%              23  64%
2013          36           24  67%              26  72%
2014          36           19  53%              23  64%
2015          36           20  56%              21  58%
2016          36           21  58%

1997-2002 were four round drafts.  2003-present have been three rounds.  Elite draft was two rounds.



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PostPosted: 09/19/16 3:13 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Great stuff, as always ...

A question: About how many years does it take for a draft to play out? In other words, after how many years are we unlikely to see a member of a particular draft class make her debut?



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PostPosted: 09/19/16 3:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ClayK wrote:
Great stuff, as always ...

A question: About how many years does it take for a draft to play out? In other words, after how many years are we unlikely to see a member of a particular draft class make her debut?


Players have debuted as many as seven seasons after being drafted. Just this season we saw the first appearance from a player drafted in 2012.



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PostPosted: 09/19/16 4:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
ClayK wrote:
Great stuff, as always ...

A question: About how many years does it take for a draft to play out? In other words, after how many years are we unlikely to see a member of a particular draft class make her debut?


Players have debuted as many as seven seasons after being drafted. Just this season we saw the first appearance from a player drafted in 2012.


So is about four years enough to make a judgment? If one or two more sign on after that, it doesn't change the perspective that much.



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PostPosted: 09/19/16 4:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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ClayK wrote:
Great stuff, as always ...

A question: About how many years does it take for a draft to play out? In other words, after how many years are we unlikely to see a member of a particular draft class make her debut?


Players have debuted as many as seven seasons after being drafted. Just this season we saw the first appearance from a player drafted in 2012.


So is about four years enough to make a judgment? If one or two more sign on after that, it doesn't change the perspective that much.


I would say four years is plenty. The vast majority of players appear within two seasons of being drafted.



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for what was hyped as such a deep draft, I believe no third round players played this season? Is that a first?



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for what was hyped as such a deep draft, I believe no third round players played this season? Is that a first?


Fields played for a while.
Fagbenle and Barbee check into camps next year.



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2017 update

Code:
Draft       Players     Appeared Initial     Appeared Eventual

Elite         16           15  94%              15  94%
1997          32           31  97%              31  97%
1998          40           35  88%              37  93%
1999          50           48  96%              49  98%
2000          64           44  69%              44  69%
2001          64           38  59%              40  63%
2002          64           27  42%              29  45%
2003          42           19  45%              22  52%
2004          38           27  71%              31  82%
2005          39           22  56%              25  64%
2006          42           28  67%              31  74%
2007          39           23  59%              27  69%
2008          43           34  79%              36  84%
2009          39           20  51%              23  59%
2010          36           18  50%              22  61%
2011          36           23  64%              24  67%
2012          36           18  50%              23  64%
2013          36           24  67%              26  72%
2014          36           19  53%              24  67%
2015          36           20  56%              21  58%
2016          36           21  58%              22  61%
2017          36           20  56%


1997-2002 were four round drafts. 2003-present have been three rounds. Elite draft was two rounds.



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