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[Admiral_Needa]

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Out: Sooners - MSU's Shimek exposed CParis' inexperience; IL did too, well, sort of...

In: Ole Miss, well, before LA Tech loss...; So Florida instead...

[cometsfan05]

I presonally dont think that the teams like GA and TEXAS are overated look at the injuries both team suffered with GA if those 4 post players did'nt get hurt they would be a lock for the final 4 in my opinion, but next year they will be much improved once they get ANGEL back who is an amazing talent, and Ashley Houts who in my opinion is the best point guard prospect in the nation and we all know what Ms. Humphrey can do once she gets help in the frontcourt it will be hell to pay for other teams as for TEXAS they are also dealing with numerous injuries and they also have alot of freshmen but once the freshmen get a taste of college ball and they get their full compliment of players back they will be a dangerous team also

overated: LSU- i'm not sold on them they only have 2 players who make the team in FOWLES and AUGUSTUS who else is going to step up when they 2 may have bad games I believe they will struggle with the LADY VOLS and GA.

STANFORD: they are so overrated it dont make no sense

[barryi22]

[quote="CamrnCrz1974"]The strength has been the chemistry. Duke has played 11 players in almost every game. 12 players average between 13 and 24 minutes. The lineups on the floor and the combinations change so frequently because of Duke's chemistry.

It is not Barryi's opinion I question. I question the basis for the opinion, though.[/quote]


I think it would be hard for a team to find chemistry between certain teammates when you have 12 players averaging double diget minutes. From the Texas game I saw, I didn't see a ton of chemistry out there. I saw more individual performances by Williams and Currie. I think it is good to have lots of depth, and to have lots of combinations like Duke has, but to start the season, I wouldn't go with too many different combinations, I'd give each of the starters 25 minutes a game, and have that combination develop chemistry. Pat Summitt did the same thing last season, and when it was all said and done, Tennessee was one of the top 4 teams in the nation by the end of the season, even though they struggled a lot to start the season. Could Goestenkors be doing the exact same thing that Summitt is doing? Sure, but because of so many different combinations on the floor, I think it'd be hard to have solid chemistry from the get go, so at this point in time, I don't think that Duke is the 2nd best team in the nation, just like last season I didn't think that Tennessee was one of the top 3 teams in the nation at that time. However, Duke has not lost a game or come close to losing a game, so they should not have the #2 ranking taken away.

[CamrnCrz1974]

Point is, you saw one game...out of nine. Individual performance by Mistie? Did you see the chemistry with Bales and Williams in the high-low?

Currie took over late, agreed...because she had to in a close game. Thats what big-time players do, no matter what the level.

Again, you make a judgment based upon one game out of nine...which goes back to my point about actually seeing games.

[dtsnms]

[CamrnCrz1974]

[barryi22]

My thought process was that OSU and UCON are overrated, but not necessarily by a ton. UCONN is probably good for #9 and OSU for #10. I think after the top 6, there is a big drop off. So, I think that #7 should be ASU, 8 should be MSU, UCONN at 9, and OSU at 10. In regards to your last post Cam, while it is true I have only seen 1 game of Duke, they have only played one quality team. I don't think it is fair to Tennessee, LSU, North Carolina or Baylor to judge Duke based on the teams they have played, vs some of the teams that the other 4 teams have. UNC pounded UCONN on the road, and they beat ASU on the road. Tennessee has beaten 4 top 20 teams by an average of 20 a game. Baylor beat Georgia by 15 and beat UCLA. Finally, LSU beat Texas Tech and Ohio State on the road by an average of 12 a game. What has Duke done? They've scored atleast 90 points in every game against weak teams besides Auburn, and they beat Texas on the road by 14 in a close game that could have gone the other direction if Williams didn't tear her ACL. I think Duke is a tad overrated based on the game I saw them play, and on the games I've seen Tennessee, Baylor, North Carolina and LSU. I still think that LSU is overrated, but they are still a top 6 team.
[quote="dtsnms"][quote="barryi22"]AP Top 25

No. School Record Points Prev
1 Tennessee 9-0 1111 1-neither
2 Duke 7-0 1084 2-maybe a tad overrated, but deserving of #2
3 LSU 7-0 1034 3-overrated, they will struggle against teams like UT and Baylor
4 Baylor 9-0 980 5-right where they should be
5 North Carolina 10-0 956 6-IMO, the #2 team in the nation, so underrated
6 Maryland 9-1 873 8-underrated, could be in the final four thise season
7 Ohio State 6-1 840 4-overrated, very overrated
8 Connecticut 7-1 765 9 -overrated
9 Rutgers 8-1 734 7-overrated
10 Stanford 5-2 665 10-overrated
11 Michigan State 7-2 662 11-underrated, was blasted by UT and fell apart against Maryland, but they area good team
12 Arizona State 8-1 652 12-underrated, one loss to UNC by 7
13 Notre Dame 8-1 615 13-neither
14 DePaul 10-1 510 16-neither
15 Georgia 7-2 454 17-overrated, i'll be shocked if they beat LSU or UT
16 Oklahoma 9-2 385 15-overrated, very, very overrated. Paris is a beast inside, but she can't carry the team. She can get her 25/20, and they'll get beat on the boards each game.
17 Minnesota 6-2 353 14-neither
18 New Mexico 8-2 347 18-neither
19 Vanderbilt 8-2 287 21-overrated
20 Texas 5-3 279 19-underrated, they'll be tough competition by the end of the season
21 Purdue 6-2 268 20-neither
22 Utah 7-2 172 22-neither
23 Boston College 9-2 113-neither_
24 Mississippi 9-1 109-underrated, lost to LaTech, but slayed 2 very good teams.
25 Temple 6-2 75 25-neither
[/quote]

This isn't making sense to me! You have #7, 8, 9, 10, 15 and 16 as overrated, and 13 and 14 as being neither. Then you only have 11 (MSU because "they are a good team") and 12 as underrated. Well then who should be in the top 10?

You knocked out 4, then added in only 2, and the next top candidates are all over rated or in the right spot?

The whole analysis doesn't add up.[/quote]

[CamrnCrz1974]

[barryi22]

[quote="CamrnCrz1974"][quote]In regards to your last post Cam, while it is true I have only seen 1 game of Duke, they have only played one quality team. I don't think it is fair to Tennessee, LSU, North Carolina or Baylor to judge Duke based on the teams they have played, vs some of the teams that the other 4 teams have. [/quote]

Then how can you judge their chemistry based upon one game? You can't have it both ways. You can't judge them based upon one opponent, while judging other teams based upon all opponents, but then draw a conclusion vis-a-vis chemistry based upon one game.[/quote]


Based on the one game I saw, I was not impressed with Duke. I saw a lack of chemistry which may not be a big issue, but in the one game they played against a quality opponent, they didn't impress me. If they had played another quality team, such as Arizona State or Rutgers, and won by 10-15 points, then I'd say they were not overrated. I do not think it is valid to compare Duke's opponents other than Texas, to the opponents of Tennessee and the other 3 teams. Duke is unproven, and from the one game I saw them play, they didn't have a lot of chemistry and did not play like the #2 team in the country should.

[pilight]

Perhaps the problem is that Duke has really only played one opponent. It's not the Blue Devils' fault that Penn State has imploded or that Auburn hasn't been able to get going under their new coach, but they're having to pay the price for those two being among the best non-con games Duke has to play. Even Texas isn't as good as their RPI suggests.

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[dtsnms]

Yet you give MSU the benefit of the doubt with two losses "just because they are a good team". Barry you have to be subjective or objective, and you're coming across as somewhere in the middle.

I would still say for example, that UConn should be higher ranked than ASU, having seen both teams, even though ASU lost only by 7 to NC. NC played a practically perfect game against UConn, and UConn was awful. You probably won't see that combination happen again.

It's all opinions; all you can factually say right now is UNC was better than UConn that night. That's dead on.

[barryi22]

"It's all opinions; all you can factually say right now is UNC was better than UConn that night. That's dead on."

I agre with this statement.

[bballfan2005]

You guys are taking too much stock in barryi22's OPINIONS. Since when did he ever say that his OPINIONS were FACTS?

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[Taciturnus]

Why get so bothered by barry's views? The question was what do we think about the Top 25. It's all fair game.

It seems to me that Tenn and Chapel Hill have been the most impressive thus far, with Duke, Baylor, and LSU close behind. Duke and UNC will get (at least) two chances to show who is Queen of the Hill, and LSU will play both UT and Baylor.

Of the Top 10, only Ohio State seems out of place. Is the Michigan State that lost to UT the same team that schooled OU? Is UT that much better than the rest of the world or is OU that much worse or is MSU just inconsistent? We'll know a lot more after MSU and LSU play on Wednesday. Best guess? LSU by a dozen.

Most under-rated thus far: Mississippi, New Mexico, Va Tech, Washington, and Kansas

Final Four today: Tenn, Baylor, Duke, UNC

[Admiral_Needa]

[CamrnCrz1974]

Certain people, like Admiral_Needa, manage to convert everything into a personal situation, failing to understand the difference between questioning the factual basis for an opinion and something else. And certain people, like Admiral_Needa, feel the need to comment about things that have absolutely nothing to do with him...but can't manage a comment when called out for his mistakes/errors and can't bother to offer an explanation.

Maybe that is it...Admiral hates those who question an opinion because he never responds when his opinion is questioned. Apparently, we are all supposed to take it as Gospel.

Wecker?

[Admiral_Needa]

[barryi22]

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[dtsnms]

[ThreeBall25]

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