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Richyyy
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| Don't like his comments here, don't usually, but nonetheless I am going to throw a name out that I think would fit this very talented and over hyped team very well...Helen Darling. Your thoughts please? |
She could work as a game manager for LA but she's typically a pretty poor outside shooter, except for the one game in three or four where she gets hot. The other problem would be that she's currently on the books of a conference rival who are chasing a Championship this season as well. They're not going to make LA better without a hell of an offer. Sidney Spencer would be the first piece required and it might well take more. I doubt LA would be willing to give that up for the arguable and minor upgrade of adding Darling.
And seriously people - Teasley's pregnant. She won't be playing anywhere in the WNBA this season.
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| Posted: 06/27/08 6:04 pm ::: |
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| ddubdawg wrote: |
| Don't like his comments here, don't usually, but nonetheless I am going to throw a name out that I think would fit this very talented and over hyped team very well...Helen Darling. Your thoughts please? |
She could work as a game manager for LA but she's typically a pretty poor outside shooter, except for the one game in three or four where she gets hot. The other problem would be that she's currently on the books of a conference rival who are chasing a Championship this season as well. They're not going to make LA better without a hell of an offer. Sidney Spencer would be the first piece required and it might well take more. I doubt LA would be willing to give that up for the arguable and minor upgrade of adding Darling.
And seriously people - Teasley's pregnant. She won't be playing anywhere in the WNBA this season. |
Not anymore. It was announced at one of the recent Sparks games that she gave birth to a baby girl.
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| Posted: 06/27/08 6:09 pm ::: |
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| Not anymore. It was announced at one of the recent Sparks games that she gave birth to a baby girl. |
Fair enough, I apologise. Still don't think we'll see her this season. And she was dreadful for Washington last season, so whether you'd want her when she's also trying to rush back into shape from pregnancy seems doubtful as well.
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| Posted: 06/27/08 7:01 pm ::: |
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| umm I wasn't saying that she would be part of the 08 Sparks because that would pretty much be impossible. I was saying that Coop will most likely be making a push to sign her during the off season. |
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| With Gissendanner gone...maybe we can afford to find one?
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| Posted: 06/27/08 7:18 pm ::: Re: Michael Cooper: "We've got to get a point guard...& |
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| "It was a horrible game by us," Sparks coach Michael Cooper said. "We've got to get a point guard, somebody who can handle pressure and do all the things that we need her to do. We've just got to rebound from this." |
Really Mike, what was your first clue? |
Harding for Sidney Spencer and a draft pick. |
Carrey for Spencer and a 2nd round pick, or EP for a 1st round pick, and Spencer._________________ "I was joking with her on the first tee yesterday. She has the Hall of Fame badge on her bag. Me and her caddie were like, You can't just build up box-tops for those things, you got to earn those things." -- Kristy McPherson on Se-Ri Pak
http://www.lpga.com/content_1.aspx?mid=2&pid=20171#kristy
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| Posted: 06/27/08 7:25 pm ::: Re: Michael Cooper: "We've got to get a point guard...& |
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http://sports.espn.go.com/wnba/recap?gameId=280626006
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| "It was a horrible game by us," Sparks coach Michael Cooper said. "We've got to get a point guard, somebody who can handle pressure and do all the things that we need her to do. We've just got to rebound from this." |
Really Mike, what was your first clue? |
Harding for Sidney Spencer and a draft pick. |
Carrey for Spencer and a 2nd round pick, or EP for a 1st round pick, and Spencer. |
No  I love Erin, no trading her.
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| Posted: 06/27/08 8:20 pm ::: Re: Harding? Uh-uh |
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| Minnesota shouldn't trade Harding. Trade Q instead. I'm not feeling it for Q this year. |
Q would be my trade, too. Only that they should have kept Zoll as a backup if they were going to trade a point guard.
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| Posted: 06/27/08 9:44 pm ::: Re: Michael Cooper: "We've got to get a point guard...& |
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http://sports.espn.go.com/wnba/recap?gameId=280626006
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| "It was a horrible game by us," Sparks coach Michael Cooper said. "We've got to get a point guard, somebody who can handle pressure and do all the things that we need her to do. We've just got to rebound from this." |
Really Mike, what was your first clue? |
Harding for Sidney Spencer and a draft pick. |
Carrey for Spencer and a 2nd round pick, or EP for a 1st round pick, and Spencer. |
No I love Erin, no trading her. |
I do too, but thus far since drafted, she's played 1 outta 3 years. W/Injury. But Including this year it will be 1 outta almost four years._________________ "I was joking with her on the first tee yesterday. She has the Hall of Fame badge on her bag. Me and her caddie were like, You can't just build up box-tops for those things, you got to earn those things." -- Kristy McPherson on Se-Ri Pak
http://www.lpga.com/content_1.aspx?mid=2&pid=20171#kristy
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| Posted: 06/27/08 11:53 pm ::: |
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Biggest mistake L.A. ever made was letting Tamecka Dixon go.
Second was signing Jackie Stiles.
Third was having Joe Bryant as head coach.
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| Posted: 06/28/08 12:00 am ::: Re: Michael Cooper: "We've got to get a point guard...& |
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| Shades wrote: |
| luvDhoops wrote: |
http://sports.espn.go.com/wnba/recap?gameId=280626006
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| "It was a horrible game by us," Sparks coach Michael Cooper said. "We've got to get a point guard, somebody who can handle pressure and do all the things that we need her to do. We've just got to rebound from this." |
Really Mike, what was your first clue? |
Harding for Sidney Spencer and a draft pick. |
Carrey for Spencer and a 2nd round pick, or EP for a 1st round pick, and Spencer. |
You're kidding, right? You consider that an outbid??
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| Posted: 06/28/08 5:10 am ::: |
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Coop had his near-perfect PG before in Nikki Teasley - a 6-foot guard with mad streetball handling skills and capable of hitting NBA-range treys with the game on the line. Every new Sparks possession Nikki would immediately look upcourt for streaking Sparks players and could hit them in stride with the pinpoint accuracy of an all pro NFL QB.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK3gcUNmcN0
If there was any "real" weakness for Nikki early on, it was that she was not initially as proficient as Ticha Penicheiro at speeding into the paint, causing the defense to collapse on her, then kicking the ball back out. I would think with experience she has mastered that by now. She was already pretty advanced at just about every other PG capability plus others - outstanding, sometimes jaw-dropping ball handling, very good decisions on court, quick hands for steals, the ability to take most players off the dribble.
It was the succeeding Sparks regime with Joe "Jellybean" Bryant (the one after Henry Bibby), who let Nikki go, trading her for TJ. Coop had nothing to do with that. He inherited TJ and has been with her from since last year - an injury-riddled season.
If TJ is being trapped by bigger players maybe she is not that effective at using her speed and ball handling skills to get herself out of trouble. We know Shannon has a killer cross over; I have never seen the same from TJ.
I like Kiesha as a good solid #2 PG or SG. She has good height to see upcourt, and her defensive skills are better than I initially gave her credit for. However, she (and just about everyone else) is overshadowed in pure playing brilliance by a healthy Nikki Teas. Kiesh isn't nearly as accurate with her passing, but who is compared to Nikki?
I am sure that Coop will try to re-acquire his "Lady Magic" for next season. However, with Nikki just having given birth to a baby girl, she is going to have to undergo a comprehensive comeback program to regain her former playing prowess - something that two mothers on the Sparks can provide plenty of advice on.
TJ messed up early, got penalized for it and received a second chance. I have been recording points, rebounds, assists, steals and block shots during the Sparks' games. Perhaps I ought to include turnovers as well since this seems to be the key stat that has been plaguing the Sparks' play this season. It doesn't matter how good you are, you can't consistently win if you keep giving up the rock.
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| Posted: 06/28/08 8:57 am ::: Re: Michael Cooper: "We've got to get a point guard...& |
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| Shades wrote: |
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http://sports.espn.go.com/wnba/recap?gameId=280626006
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| "It was a horrible game by us," Sparks coach Michael Cooper said. "We've got to get a point guard, somebody who can handle pressure and do all the things that we need her to do. We've just got to rebound from this." |
Really Mike, what was your first clue? |
Harding for Sidney Spencer and a draft pick. |
Carrey for Spencer and a 2nd round pick, or EP for a 1st round pick, and Spencer. |
You're kidding, right? You consider that an outbid?? |
The Sun aren't going to trade anybody, they have more good personnel than they can play right now. Plus they have to account for another possible expansion draft. Draft picks are not going to help the Sun much from what I can see.
But they do have three solid PG's, plus "The Kid", who is the future. All four have already played in tandem with Whalen and Carey._________________ "I was joking with her on the first tee yesterday. She has the Hall of Fame badge on her bag. Me and her caddie were like, You can't just build up box-tops for those things, you got to earn those things." -- Kristy McPherson on Se-Ri Pak
http://www.lpga.com/content_1.aspx?mid=2&pid=20171#kristy
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| Posted: 06/28/08 10:01 am ::: Re: Harding? Uh-uh |
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| Minnesota shouldn't trade Harding. Trade Q instead. I'm not feeling it for Q this year. |
Harding can't do those Magic Johnson passes that Q has in her arsenal. |
Yeah but Q can't hit her shots and she gets flustered under pressure D. Pretty passes don't do much good if that is ALL you have to offer.
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| Posted: 06/28/08 10:29 am ::: |
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And seriously people - Teasley's pregnant. She won't be playing anywhere in the WNBA this season. |
Not anymore. It was announced at one of the recent Sparks games that she gave birth to a baby girl.[/quote]
Maybe after the break, but she wouldn't be in shape enough to pose any threat to anybody, so if she was smart she would stay home and enjoy her child for awhile and work in the off season to get ready for next season.
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| Posted: 06/28/08 10:43 am ::: |
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And seriously people - Teasley's pregnant. She won't be playing anywhere in the WNBA this season. |
Not anymore. It was announced at one of the recent Sparks games that she gave birth to a baby girl. |
Maybe after the break, but she wouldn't be in shape enough to pose any threat to anybody, so if she was smart she would stay home and enjoy her child for awhile and work in the off season to get ready for next season.[/quote]
My consideration of Nikki as a viable player in any discussions I have ever had on this subject does not begin until next year at the earliest.
Marie Ferdinand-Harris tried to come back last year and suffered severely diminished numbers. She's better prepared this year, but most nights she is only the #4 scoring option.
Lisa is coming back this year, but early on she was clearly not the Lisa of old. It is only her high level workout regimen that has allowed her to play as well as she has thus far.
The bounce back from motherhood is not easy. For Nikki to come back, I would prefer that she lean heavily on Lisa, Marie and the Sparks trainers to get her body as well tuned as possible.
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| Posted: 06/28/08 11:12 am ::: |
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| Teasley was overweight and out of shape last year for the Mystics, now she just had a kid, I don't think she should be in anyones future plans.
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| Posted: 06/28/08 11:18 am ::: |
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| Teasley was overweight and out of shape last year for the Mystics, now she just had a kid, I don't think she should be in anyones future plans. |
Oh, I feel she might get motivated to play for Coop and the Sparks again. Her best WNBA years was with Coop in a Sparks uniform. Coop encouraged her to maximize her already prodigious skills.
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| Posted: 06/28/08 12:12 pm ::: |
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i don't understand this..... they get a bad play from their point.... and now all three of the guards suck??
they have no problem scoring..... or getting the ball down the floor...... if anything coop should by worried as to why they can't get stops at crucial times.....can we say team defense boys and girls....... if he stopped yoyoing players and playing them out of position....perhaps there would be no problem.... tj is tempermental.... but a capable point....bobbit and brown are also capable..... just not what cooper wants.....
keep the guards..... get rid of coop.....
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| Posted: 06/28/08 2:33 pm ::: |
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| Teasley was overweight and out of shape last year for the Mystics, now she just had a kid, I don't think she should be in anyones future plans. |
Oh, I feel she might get motivated to play for Coop and the Sparks again. Her best WNBA years was with Coop in a Sparks uniform. Coop encouraged her to maximize her already prodigious skills. |
I agree with you. I think she would be thrilled to play for Coop again, and as was stated he was not the one who traded her. Even though I am not a Sparks fan I always enjoyed watching Niki play when she was with the Sparks. I think Bobbit is one Hel* of a little pg(I was never a Tenn fan either) but if Coop could get Niki back she would be my 1st choice.
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| Posted: 06/28/08 4:26 pm ::: |
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| Teasley was overweight and out of shape last year for the Mystics, now she just had a kid, I don't think she should be in anyones future plans. |
Oh, I feel she might get motivated to play for Coop and the Sparks again. Her best WNBA years was with Coop in a Sparks uniform. Coop encouraged her to maximize her already prodigious skills. |
I agree with you. I think she would be thrilled to play for Coop again, and as was stated he was not the one who traded her. Even though I am not a Sparks fan I always enjoyed watching Niki play when she was with the Sparks. I think Bobbit is one Hel* of a little pg(I was never a Tenn fan either) but if Coop could get Niki back she would be my 1st choice. |
I never understood why Nikki was traded. I thought that under Coop she was well on her way to becoming possibly the best PG in the entire league.
I saw this lady play at North Carolina with Tracy Reid, saw how she would take over games in the last ten minutes or so - taking defenders off the dribble for layups or knocking down treys seemingly at will. I was hoping and praying that the Sparks would get her when time arrived for her to be drafted.
Well, the Sparks didn't get a chance to draft her: the Portland Fire did with the #5 overall pick. However, that didn't stop Coop and Penny Toler. They packaged Ukari Figgs and their own 2nd round pick, Gergana Slavtcheva, and received Nikki and Sophia Witherspoon in exchange.
As a rookie PG, she hit the game winning shot in the closing seconds of Game 2 of the 2002 WNBA Championships to help the Sparks defeat the New York Liberty.
She was injured in 2005 and played in only 19 games that year. In the preceding three seasons (2002-2004) she had per game averages of 41.40% from downtown, 5.61 assists, 2.79 turnovers, 1.07 steals, and 9.32 points. The season before TJ arrived (2005), these numbers dropped to 30.9% 3P%, 3.7 assists, 2.5 turnovers, 1.2 steals, and 7.4 points. Since her performance was obviously affected by trying to play through injuries, I expected the Sparks new regime with new coach, Joe "Jellybean" Bryant, to retain her. To say I was shocked to see Nikki Teas traded is an understatement.
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| Posted: 06/28/08 6:31 pm ::: |
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Ukari Figgs was at a Fever game earlier in the season - when the Sparks were here to be more specific.
I wonder what Penny and Coop could offer/have offered her to get her to leave her job at Toyota...
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