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| "It was a horrible game by us," Sparks coach Michael Cooper said. "We've got to get a point guard, somebody who can handle pressure and do all the things that we need her to do. We've just got to rebound from this." |
Really Mike, what was your first clue?
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| Posted: 06/27/08 10:56 am ::: Re: Michael Cooper: "We've got to get a point guard...& |
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| "It was a horrible game by us," Sparks coach Michael Cooper said. "We've got to get a point guard, somebody who can handle pressure and do all the things that we need her to do. We've just got to rebound from this." |
Really Mike, what was your first clue? |
Harding for Sidney Spencer and a draft pick.
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| Posted: 06/27/08 11:00 am ::: Harding? Uh-uh |
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| Minnesota shouldn't trade Harding. Trade Q instead. I'm not feeling it for Q this year.
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| Posted: 06/27/08 11:01 am ::: |
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| Johnson had 10-3-7 in her 20 minutes. That looks like decent PG numbers to me. What does he want - an all star at every position? The two guard spot looks weaker to me.
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| Johnson had 10-3-7 in her 20 minutes. That looks like decent PG numbers to me. What does he want - an all star at every position? |
I think the fact that she turned the ball over to give Washington the tie, was still fresh on his mind at that point.
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| Posted: 06/27/08 11:07 am ::: |
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| Johnson had 10-3-7 in her 20 minutes. That looks like decent PG numbers to me. What does he want - an all star at every position? |
I think the fact that she turned the ball over to give Washington the tie, was still fresh on his mind at that point. |
Most likely true, but as any good coach would say "It shouldn't have had to come down to that last play". I just don't like to hear a coach use the blame game.
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| Posted: 06/27/08 11:12 am ::: |
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| Johnson had 10-3-7 in her 20 minutes. That looks like decent PG numbers to me. What does he want - an all star at every position? |
I think the fact that she turned the ball over to give Washington the tie, was still fresh on his mind at that point. |
Most likely true, but as any good coach would say "It shouldn't have had to come down to that last play". I just don't like to hear a coach use the blame game. |
I agree, but the guard play is what has been the issue with LA for the majority of the year. Although, yes TJ had a good game last night.
I blame Cooper himself for not taking the time to develop his pg's. He needed/needs to be patient. He started off the year giving most minutes to TJ, then TJ and KB, then KB, then KB and Bobbitt, now TJ and has placed Bobbitt back on the inactive list. WTF?
How can any of them get a feel or get in a rhythm playing?
Oh and let's, certainly not forget the Parker at pg in the fourth quarter experiment that went on for several games and may still be going on for all I know since their games haven't been televised or webcast for a while.
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| Posted: 06/27/08 11:37 am ::: Re: Michael Cooper: "We've got to get a point guard...& |
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| "It was a horrible game by us," Sparks coach Michael Cooper said. "We've got to get a point guard, somebody who can handle pressure and do all the things that we need her to do. We've just got to rebound from this." |
Really Mike, what was your first clue? |
Harding for Sidney Spencer and a draft pick. |
What draft pick, the Sparks 2009 1st rd pick is currently owned by the Mystics.
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| Posted: 06/27/08 11:39 am ::: |
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| What does he want - an all star at every position? |
Who doesn't?
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| Posted: 06/27/08 11:40 am ::: Re: Harding? Uh-uh |
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| Minnesota shouldn't trade Harding. Trade Q instead. I'm not feeling it for Q this year. |
Harding can't do those Magic Johnson passes that Q has in her arsenal.
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| Posted: 06/27/08 11:44 am ::: |
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| I guess next year the Sparks and Comets will be fighting it out for the services of Nikki Teasley.
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| Can we just get a new coach?
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that's quite an insult to Temeka Johnson. the Lynx just waived Sharnee Zoll, apparently ... maybe he wants her back?
FYI - I was just about to post this quote myself, after reading it in SPM's game story.
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Michael shot himself in the foot when he let Baker and/or Zoll go. TJ had a consistent game but seriously she is just too small. She got trapped in the corner by much bigger players and could not see to get the ball out of there, hence multiple turnovers and a loss.
He needs to make some move. Gissendanner was not on the bench last night... Maybe he is opening up a spot for someone....
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that's quite an insult to Temeka Johnson. the Lynx just waived Sharnee Zoll, apparently ... maybe he wants her back?
FYI - I was just about to post this quote myself, after reading it in SPM's game story. |
Quite a few teams will have to bypass Zoll on the waiver list before the Sparks would get a chance at her again.
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| Posted: 06/27/08 3:24 pm ::: |
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| I get the feeling Cooper is much more interested in parading around the LL/Parker sideshow than winning ball games.
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| Posted: 06/27/08 3:59 pm ::: |
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| Guru you just worry about making the playoffs in which it dose not look like you will do DMJ is having a great season so far so please dont start running your mouth you have alot more to be worried about
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| Posted: 06/27/08 4:33 pm ::: |
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LA's one of those teams where I tend to think they will look far different in September than they do now.
Chemistry-wise, most likely. Personnel-wise possibly.
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| Posted: 06/27/08 5:13 pm ::: |
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Cooper could have easily avoided this sort of a mess by making a statement about his point guards that did not insinuate that he will be going outside of the organization in order to find help.
He should have said something along the lines of "our point guards have got to be able to handle pressure" which still calls them out a bit, but at least it doesn't say to the public that he is actively looking for other options. Even if he is, it may be best not to shout it from the roof tops.
On another note, although DMJ is the least of the Sparks problems, I sure did enjoy listening to the game last night specifically because Washington got to stick it to her in LA. How fun!
And I am willing to bet effort was not the true problem last night. Effort is often blamed when truly a lack of execution and follow through is the problem. My guess is that the Sparks played hard, but they didn't play smart. But I wasn't there, so I don't really know. I would just like to think that those eleven ladies were out there playing hard for their home crowd.
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| Posted: 06/27/08 5:15 pm ::: |
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| First of all what an insult to your current point guards to make this statement in public. He has 3 pg's and I'm sure none of them are feeling good about themselves after that statement. TJ & Bobbit are short(though I did like Bobbits play in Tenn) but he got rid of Zoll who can at least see the floor well. He has LL and the "all everything" Parker and he is complaining. Guess it takes more than 1 or 2 players to win games huh.
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Maybe he was calling out the PGs he has right now...? TJ's prob is that she really doesn't get the offense going...she just stands there yelling at everyone and then starts something with limited time on the clock. KB seems to get the offense going but she has a tendency to jack up shots and make poor decisions. I think Bobbitt has struggled in the last couple of games but i don't think Coop should've put her on the inactive list for last night's game. I liked his 3pg rotation.
As far as Baker and Zoll, Baker is very very very erratic. I'm actually happy the sparks cut her because our TO prob would've been even worse. Personally, I liked Zoll's game but I think she was cut because she didn't show that she could consistently hit the outside shot. Teams often cheated off of her, much like they do to TJ.
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if either before the trade deadline or during the off season, the sparks get rid of TJ. I have a feeling that Coop will be pushing to get Nikki back if he can. I'm only saying they will get rid of TJ because of his obvious unhappiness with her and the fact that he has said that they are taking it slow with Shannon (he seems to be a big fan  ). |
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| Don't like his comments here, don't usually, but nonetheless I am going to throw a name out that I think would fit this very talented and over hyped team very well...Helen Darling. Your thoughts please?
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| Don't like his comments here, don't usually, but nonetheless I am going to throw a name out that I think would fit this very talented and over hyped team very well...Helen Darling. Your thoughts please? |
She could work as a game manager for LA but she's typically a pretty poor outside shooter, except for the one game in three or four where she gets hot. The other problem would be that she's currently on the books of a conference rival who are chasing a Championship this season as well. They're not going to make LA better without a hell of an offer. Sidney Spencer would be the first piece required and it might well take more. I doubt LA would be willing to give that up for the arguable and minor upgrade of adding Darling.
And seriously people - Teasley's pregnant. She won't be playing anywhere in the WNBA this season.
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| Don't like his comments here, don't usually, but nonetheless I am going to throw a name out that I think would fit this very talented and over hyped team very well...Helen Darling. Your thoughts please? |
She could work as a game manager for LA but she's typically a pretty poor outside shooter, except for the one game in three or four where she gets hot. The other problem would be that she's currently on the books of a conference rival who are chasing a Championship this season as well. They're not going to make LA better without a hell of an offer. Sidney Spencer would be the first piece required and it might well take more. I doubt LA would be willing to give that up for the arguable and minor upgrade of adding Darling.
And seriously people - Teasley's pregnant. She won't be playing anywhere in the WNBA this season. |
Not anymore. It was announced at one of the recent Sparks games that she gave birth to a baby girl.
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| Not anymore. It was announced at one of the recent Sparks games that she gave birth to a baby girl. |
Fair enough, I apologise. Still don't think we'll see her this season. And she was dreadful for Washington last season, so whether you'd want her when she's also trying to rush back into shape from pregnancy seems doubtful as well.
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| umm I wasn't saying that she would be part of the 08 Sparks because that would pretty much be impossible. I was saying that Coop will most likely be making a push to sign her during the off season. |
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| With Gissendanner gone...maybe we can afford to find one?
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| Posted: 06/27/08 7:18 pm ::: Re: Michael Cooper: "We've got to get a point guard...& |
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http://sports.espn.go.com/wnba/recap?gameId=280626006
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| "It was a horrible game by us," Sparks coach Michael Cooper said. "We've got to get a point guard, somebody who can handle pressure and do all the things that we need her to do. We've just got to rebound from this." |
Really Mike, what was your first clue? |
Harding for Sidney Spencer and a draft pick. |
Carrey for Spencer and a 2nd round pick, or EP for a 1st round pick, and Spencer._________________ "I was joking with her on the first tee yesterday. She has the Hall of Fame badge on her bag. Me and her caddie were like, You can't just build up box-tops for those things, you got to earn those things." -- Kristy McPherson on Se-Ri Pak
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| Posted: 06/27/08 7:25 pm ::: Re: Michael Cooper: "We've got to get a point guard...& |
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http://sports.espn.go.com/wnba/recap?gameId=280626006
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| "It was a horrible game by us," Sparks coach Michael Cooper said. "We've got to get a point guard, somebody who can handle pressure and do all the things that we need her to do. We've just got to rebound from this." |
Really Mike, what was your first clue? |
Harding for Sidney Spencer and a draft pick. |
Carrey for Spencer and a 2nd round pick, or EP for a 1st round pick, and Spencer. |
No  I love Erin, no trading her.
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| Posted: 06/27/08 8:20 pm ::: Re: Harding? Uh-uh |
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| Minnesota shouldn't trade Harding. Trade Q instead. I'm not feeling it for Q this year. |
Q would be my trade, too. Only that they should have kept Zoll as a backup if they were going to trade a point guard.
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| Posted: 06/27/08 9:44 pm ::: Re: Michael Cooper: "We've got to get a point guard...& |
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http://sports.espn.go.com/wnba/recap?gameId=280626006
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| "It was a horrible game by us," Sparks coach Michael Cooper said. "We've got to get a point guard, somebody who can handle pressure and do all the things that we need her to do. We've just got to rebound from this." |
Really Mike, what was your first clue? |
Harding for Sidney Spencer and a draft pick. |
Carrey for Spencer and a 2nd round pick, or EP for a 1st round pick, and Spencer. |
No I love Erin, no trading her. |
I do too, but thus far since drafted, she's played 1 outta 3 years. W/Injury. But Including this year it will be 1 outta almost four years._________________ "I was joking with her on the first tee yesterday. She has the Hall of Fame badge on her bag. Me and her caddie were like, You can't just build up box-tops for those things, you got to earn those things." -- Kristy McPherson on Se-Ri Pak
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Biggest mistake L.A. ever made was letting Tamecka Dixon go.
Second was signing Jackie Stiles.
Third was having Joe Bryant as head coach.
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| Posted: 06/28/08 12:00 am ::: Re: Michael Cooper: "We've got to get a point guard...& |
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http://sports.espn.go.com/wnba/recap?gameId=280626006
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| "It was a horrible game by us," Sparks coach Michael Cooper said. "We've got to get a point guard, somebody who can handle pressure and do all the things that we need her to do. We've just got to rebound from this." |
Really Mike, what was your first clue? |
Harding for Sidney Spencer and a draft pick. |
Carrey for Spencer and a 2nd round pick, or EP for a 1st round pick, and Spencer. |
You're kidding, right? You consider that an outbid??
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Coop had his near-perfect PG before in Nikki Teasley - a 6-foot guard with mad streetball handling skills and capable of hitting NBA-range treys with the game on the line. Every new Sparks possession Nikki would immediately look upcourt for streaking Sparks players and could hit them in stride with the pinpoint accuracy of an all pro NFL QB.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fK3gcUNmcN0
If there was any "real" weakness for Nikki early on, it was that she was not initially as proficient as Ticha Penicheiro at speeding into the paint, causing the defense to collapse on her, then kicking the ball back out. I would think with experience she has mastered that by now. She was already pretty advanced at just about every other PG capability plus others - outstanding, sometimes jaw-dropping ball handling, very good decisions on court, quick hands for steals, the ability to take most players off the dribble.
It was the succeeding Sparks regime with Joe "Jellybean" Bryant (the one after Henry Bibby), who let Nikki go, trading her for TJ. Coop had nothing to do with that. He inherited TJ and has been with her from since last year - an injury-riddled season.
If TJ is being trapped by bigger players maybe she is not that effective at using her speed and ball handling skills to get herself out of trouble. We know Shannon has a killer cross over; I have never seen the same from TJ.
I like Kiesha as a good solid #2 PG or SG. She has good height to see upcourt, and her defensive skills are better than I initially gave her credit for. However, she (and just about everyone else) is overshadowed in pure playing brilliance by a healthy Nikki Teas. Kiesh isn't nearly as accurate with her passing, but who is compared to Nikki?
I am sure that Coop will try to re-acquire his "Lady Magic" for next season. However, with Nikki just having given birth to a baby girl, she is going to have to undergo a comprehensive comeback program to regain her former playing prowess - something that two mothers on the Sparks can provide plenty of advice on.
TJ messed up early, got penalized for it and received a second chance. I have been recording points, rebounds, assists, steals and block shots during the Sparks' games. Perhaps I ought to include turnovers as well since this seems to be the key stat that has been plaguing the Sparks' play this season. It doesn't matter how good you are, you can't consistently win if you keep giving up the rock.
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| Posted: 06/28/08 8:57 am ::: Re: Michael Cooper: "We've got to get a point guard...& |
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| "It was a horrible game by us," Sparks coach Michael Cooper said. "We've got to get a point guard, somebody who can handle pressure and do all the things that we need her to do. We've just got to rebound from this." |
Really Mike, what was your first clue? |
Harding for Sidney Spencer and a draft pick. |
Carrey for Spencer and a 2nd round pick, or EP for a 1st round pick, and Spencer. |
You're kidding, right? You consider that an outbid?? |
The Sun aren't going to trade anybody, they have more good personnel than they can play right now. Plus they have to account for another possible expansion draft. Draft picks are not going to help the Sun much from what I can see.
But they do have three solid PG's, plus "The Kid", who is the future. All four have already played in tandem with Whalen and Carey._________________ "I was joking with her on the first tee yesterday. She has the Hall of Fame badge on her bag. Me and her caddie were like, You can't just build up box-tops for those things, you got to earn those things." -- Kristy McPherson on Se-Ri Pak
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| Minnesota shouldn't trade Harding. Trade Q instead. I'm not feeling it for Q this year. |
Harding can't do those Magic Johnson passes that Q has in her arsenal. |
Yeah but Q can't hit her shots and she gets flustered under pressure D. Pretty passes don't do much good if that is ALL you have to offer.
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And seriously people - Teasley's pregnant. She won't be playing anywhere in the WNBA this season. |
Not anymore. It was announced at one of the recent Sparks games that she gave birth to a baby girl.[/quote]
Maybe after the break, but she wouldn't be in shape enough to pose any threat to anybody, so if she was smart she would stay home and enjoy her child for awhile and work in the off season to get ready for next season.
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| Posted: 06/28/08 10:43 am ::: |
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| LakotaStorm wrote: |
| jap wrote: |
And seriously people - Teasley's pregnant. She won't be playing anywhere in the WNBA this season. |
Not anymore. It was announced at one of the recent Sparks games that she gave birth to a baby girl. |
Maybe after the break, but she wouldn't be in shape enough to pose any threat to anybody, so if she was smart she would stay home and enjoy her child for awhile and work in the off season to get ready for next season.[/quote]
My consideration of Nikki as a viable player in any discussions I have ever had on this subject does not begin until next year at the earliest.
Marie Ferdinand-Harris tried to come back last year and suffered severely diminished numbers. She's better prepared this year, but most nights she is only the #4 scoring option.
Lisa is coming back this year, but early on she was clearly not the Lisa of old. It is only her high level workout regimen that has allowed her to play as well as she has thus far.
The bounce back from motherhood is not easy. For Nikki to come back, I would prefer that she lean heavily on Lisa, Marie and the Sparks trainers to get her body as well tuned as possible.
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| Posted: 06/28/08 11:12 am ::: |
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| Teasley was overweight and out of shape last year for the Mystics, now she just had a kid, I don't think she should be in anyones future plans.
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Lelani Mitchell is looking damned good at this point, huh.
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