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This afternoon I spoke with a reliable contact of mine, an individual deeply rooted in the Atlanta area (I live over 200 miles south of there near the state line.). The source told me there is a middle-aged (age 50 or older, wasn't quite sure) individual with mega-bucks willing to purchase a WNBA franchise to be placed in the Gwinett Center in the Atlanta suburbs (where the SEC played the women's tournament this year). According to the source, the buyer (name not revealed to me) is into opportunities for women in professional sports. This is what the ad agency, that has been spearheading this project, was touting.
This buyer is supposedly aware of the potential for 6 or even 7 figure losses that can be associated with WNBA ownership and could handle them. My source was surprised an announcement had not already been made. My guess is either timing or the need to complete the new C.B.A. before expansion could move forward. Again according to my source, the target was to begin play in 2008, but I could see the C.B.A. issues holding this back if a deal is not reached until the spring. Finally, when I asked how successful the franchise would be after the honeymoon wears off. The answer was attendance would only be a few thousand fans on average. On the other hand, local sponsorship might defray some of the losses as this buyer has strong contacts in the Atlanta business community.
Ms. Donna should say thank you for the big bucks! I will say good luck and have your checkbook ready early and often! In Georgia, football is king, little else matters. Sadly I predict this team will not be one of the exceptions. If the owner does not care about losing money and can stomach the losses, the franchise could survive. Otherwise not!
When I finished, I asked if they would bet on this purchase taking place.
The response was "I am not a betting person but if I was, I would bet on this."
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| Awesome news, I think if the team wins. Then the fans will show up. Falcons suck this year and they will suck next year as well. So I would much rather spend money on season tickets for me and my daughters for the WNBA than on FALCONS tickets.... And man this could mean that Tasha will get to stay home if we do get a team...
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| I think it's too late to announce expansion for the 2008 season, be it because of the CBA or simply because there's not enough time to build up for next season. Also, it's not a good year for a new team to come into the league what with the Olympics break and the potential lockout. I don't know, not saying your source isn't credible, but I think this is more likely to happen in 2009 rather than in 2008, JMO.
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| Posted: 09/30/07 6:34 pm ::: WNBA in Atlanta? |
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| I agree that it could be difficult to get the team running by spring 2008.
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with that attitude, give my drothers, I'd rather they step in and support the league as whole, not in Atlanta.
Call me selfish, but I'd rather that money, good will and vision be applied to what we have and to make it better, more solid.
We need a reinfusion of interet and MONEY...
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| Posted: 09/30/07 7:25 pm ::: |
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with that attitude, give my drothers, I'd rather they step in and support the league as whole, not in Atlanta.
Call me selfish, but I'd rather that money, good will and vision be applied to what we have and to make it better, more solid.
We need a reinfusion of interet and MONEY...
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not sure what kind of infussion of money you're talking about....or where that money would be going and to do what.....and what return a businessman would get.....but in anycase.....
give us a team in atlanta......please.....
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| Posted: 09/30/07 7:50 pm ::: |
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| I'm still not so sure about Atlanta. I agree with bcbg that next season might not be good for any expansion team because of the Olympics.
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| Posted: 09/30/07 8:19 pm ::: |
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| The fact remains Atlanta barely got 1000 pledges. Not deposits. PLEDGES. And that was with the city's push for a team. It is great to have the money and the potential for corporate sponsorships, but unless the attendance makes it worth it, this will be a short term franchise.
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| Posted: 09/30/07 9:01 pm ::: WNBA in Atlanta? |
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| I have thought this was a bad idea for years. I don't know why the PR firm took up the cause. I had a caustic debate with its owner who thought I was very anti the women's sports movement simply because I was againt this Atlanta franchise. I guess the firm found their owner. My guess is Donna does not care how badly the team will do at the gate if the league can extract $10 million or something close to that. As I said in my initial post, the potential owner is supposed to be able to handle the losses.
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not ATLANTA
the WNBA is non-existent in the South and ATL is a big city but
TERRIBLE SPORTS TOWN and THE HAWKS are a mess a consistent mess that wont right itself anytime soon
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| Posted: 09/30/07 9:45 pm ::: Re: WNBA in Atlanta? |
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| I have thought this was a bad idea for years. I don't know why the PR firm took up the cause. I had a caustic debate with its owner who thought I was very anti the women's sports movement simply because I was againt this Atlanta franchise. I guess the firm found their owner. My guess is Donna does not care how badly the team will do at the gate if the league can extract $10 million or something close to that. As I said in my initial post, the potential owner is supposed to be able to handle the losses. |
I'd like to see the league have an even number of teams, and I'd like to see a team in the southeast so that sponsors are buying something more like a national product.
I'd rather see Colorado or Philly, maybe even Kansas City. But if someone who can afford to lose $800K/ year for ten years on 4K attendance wants to put a team in Atlanta, I'd say take them up on it. And if that team starts winning, maybe people will show up.
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| Posted: 09/30/07 10:46 pm ::: Re: WNBA in Atlanta? |
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| Finally, when I asked how successful the franchise would be after the honeymoon wears off. The answer was attendance would only be a few thousand fans on average. |
That's the scary bit, and the part that the league shold be worried about. They're not even aiming for or anticipating more than a few thousand once the hooneymoon wears off (and there ain't much of a hooneymoon with WNBA teams - look at Chicago). Even if the team is financially viable in other ways, or has an owner who doesn't give a crap that attendance is awful and is happy to cover the financial losses, that ends up looking poor for the league. Average attendance gets dragged down yet further and more fuel is added to the fire of people who say no one cares about the league.
Working hard to place a team somewhere that's a half-decent sports-town would've made a hell of a lot more sense.
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| Posted: 09/30/07 11:32 pm ::: |
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Donna is not going to award a franchise to a city/owner/group that she doesn't trust...
If Atlanta is given a team, I trust that Donna knows this is not a trainwreck waiting to happen. |
Donna and A.J.Robinson are long time friends.
http://www.thesundaypaper.com/CurrentArticles/tabid/98/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/29/042907-SPORTS-Ready-of-not.aspx
Robinson, a real estate entrepeneur and Harvard MBA, is one of Atlanta's movers and shakers. As President of Central Atlanta Progress (a private business group) he apppointed an organizing committee that included reps from city and state government, marketing firm Hope-Beckham, and Turner Broadcasting Systems.
The 1200 pledges the group has gathered are for premium season ticket seating ($680/season). Corporate sponsors are onboard. Arena(s) identified.
If a deep pockets owner has been found, the only thing likely holding this baby back is the CBA.
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| Posted: 10/01/07 7:19 am ::: WNBA in Atlanta? |
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Note that the super teams of the Russian League have bigger budgets than any WNBA team and bleed red ink and smile! Perhaps this is what will happen should Atlanta come to pass.
One reason that I'm pessimistic on attendance is that UGA (the most sacred sports franchise in the state) could not get a large block of fans to show up for their SEC Tournament semi-final game in the arena in Duluth (about one hour from their campus). That night the arena was a "Sea of Orange" as expected. Georgia was a ranked team, playing a big game against eventual champ Vandy and they had about the same support that Vandy (from distant Nashville) had.
Donna took on low attending Chicago to get the city into the WNBA family. Atlanta looks like a similar case with even less chance of long term fan support. Maybe Donna knows best, maybe not. At least now I might have a reason to drive to Atlanta more often!
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Donna is not going to award a franchise to a city/owner/group that she doesn't trust...
If Atlanta is given a team, I trust that Donna knows this is not a trainwreck waiting to happen. |
Donna and A.J.Robinson are long time friends.
http://www.thesundaypaper.com/CurrentArticles/tabid/98/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/29/042907-SPORTS-Ready-of-not.aspx
Robinson, a real estate entrepeneur and Harvard MBA, is one of Atlanta's movers and shakers. As President of Central Atlanta Progress (a private business group) he apppointed an organizing committee that included reps from city and state government, marketing firm Hope-Beckham, and Turner Broadcasting Systems.
The 1200 pledges the group has gathered are for premium season ticket seating ($680/season). Corporate sponsors are onboard. Arena(s) identified.
If a deep pockets owner has been found, the only thing likely holding this baby back is the CBA. |
This makes it look darn positive. This is the type the league could sure use.
I think Atlanta is a cool place to visit or live. Rolling hills, Stone Mountain, the little resort town of Helen an hour or two north of Atlanta.
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| But if someone who can afford to lose $800K/ year for ten years on 4K attendance wants to put a team in Atlanta, I'd say take them up on it. And if that team starts winning, maybe people will show up. |
Maybe with the place chosen for the games, the losses wouldn't be that high, and then since bluewolfvii's post, maybe this guy has enough sponsors. Wow. Sounds like a plan, Stan.
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Uh oh. Over at Woman's Sports Blog:
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The WNBA is busy working behind the scenes to arrange for a new franchise in 2008. KC probably won't be ready, leaving Atlanta as the most likely choice.
At Rebkell, Bob Corwin has some details of the ongoing negotiations.
One reported sticking point: the potential Atlanta buyer is insisting on a lottery pick, or some other way to have a shot at Parker. It might be a good fit, since SheWill is there. But giving Parker, or even a top-7 pick, to Atlanta would obviously infuriate some existing owners.
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Monday, October 01, 2007
The WNBA is busy working behind the scenes to arrange for a new franchise in 2008. KC probably won't be ready, leaving Atlanta as the most likely choice.
At Rebkell, Bob Corwin has some details of the ongoing negotiations.
One reported sticking point: the potential Atlanta buyer is insisting on a lottery pick, or some other way to have a shot at Parker. It might be a good fit, since SheWill is there. But giving Parker, or even a top-7 pick, to Atlanta would obviously infuriate some existing owners.
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I don't think it's smart at all for Donna to even consider giving owners that kind of power. I don't think the league will go under without Atlanta so something that would piss off the other teams to that extent and undermine the expansion structure the league has in place would be a deal breaker for me.
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One reported sticking point: the potential Atlanta buyer is insisting on a lottery pick, or some other way to have a shot at Parker. It might be a good fit, since SheWill is there. But giving Parker, or even a top-7 pick, to Atlanta would obviously infuriate some existing owners. |
perhaps the timing is perfect.
everybody's assuming Parker's coming out. but why?
Let Atlanta come into the league in 2008. let them finish, like most expansion teams, dead last. when CP3's eligibility is up at Tenn, she comes out...enters the 2009 draft.
who has the best shot at getting her? Atlanta.
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I dont think they should give them the #1 outright, BUT I do think Atlanta should be in the lottery. Having them choose at 7 makes no sense at all._________________ JENNASMITH13.com
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The WNBA is busy working behind the scenes to arrange for a new franchise in 2008. KC probably won't be ready, leaving Atlanta as the most likely choice.
At Rebkell, Bob Corwin has some details of the ongoing negotiations.
One reported sticking point: the potential Atlanta buyer is insisting on a lottery pick, or some other way to have a shot at Parker. It might be a good fit, since SheWill is there. But giving Parker, or even a top-7 pick, to Atlanta would obviously infuriate some existing owners.
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I don't think it's smart at all for Donna to even consider giving owners that kind of power. I don't think the league will go under without Atlanta so something that would piss off the other teams to that extent and undermine the expansion structure the league has in place would be a deal breaker for me. |
Gotta admit though, the future looks bright for Parker at least. Teams not even in the league yet vying for her services. |
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Why on Earth would the League want her in Atlanta though? She might want to be there for her boyfriend, but it's a crappy sports-town where attendance is likely to be terrible regardless - that's the last place they'll want Parker. They'd want her in a big market where she can boost attendance and interest league-wide, not somewhere where no one's going to care.
And I still say it's gotten awfully late to even think about adding a team for 2008.
Oh, and they'd get the 6th pick, by the way, if the same model was used as before. There are only 5 lottery teams these days.
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| Why on Earth would the League want her in Atlanta though? She might want to be there for her boyfriend, but it's a crappy sports-town where attendance is likely to be terrible regardless - that's the last place they'll want Parker. They'd want her in a big market where she can boost attendance and interest league-wide, not somewhere where no one's going to care. |
The league would want her in Atlanta because it's the closest to Knoxville that the league is ever going to get. So I guess they're thinking that people from K'ville and southern parts of East Tennessee who like the Lady Vols will come down to watch. |
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| Tasha Humphrey would be a great young cornerstone player for an Atlanta franchise.
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| Why on Earth would the League want her in Atlanta though? She might want to be there for her boyfriend, but it's a crappy sports-town where attendance is likely to be terrible regardless - that's the last place they'll want Parker. They'd want her in a big market where she can boost attendance and interest league-wide, not somewhere where no one's going to care. |
The league would want her in Atlanta because it's the closest to Knoxville that the league is ever going to get. So I guess they're thinking that people from K'ville and southern parts of East Tennessee who like the Lady Vols will come down to watch. |
And if there was one player that could make fair weather fans flock to see WNBA games, it would be her.
But I'm in agreement with everyone. I don't think they should give Atlanta the top pick. However, giving them the 7th is robbery, IMO._________________ JENNASMITH13.com
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| Why on Earth would the League want her in Atlanta though? She might want to be there for her boyfriend, but it's a crappy sports-town where attendance is likely to be terrible regardless - that's the last place they'll want Parker. They'd want her in a big market where she can boost attendance and interest league-wide, not somewhere where no one's going to care. |
The league would want her in Atlanta because it's the closest to Knoxville that the league is ever going to get. So I guess they're thinking that people from K'ville and southern parts of East Tennessee who like the Lady Vols will come down to watch. |
Yeah I can see that but don't you think gas and other travel expenses would play a big part in that decision for all but the hardcore fans? |
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| Why on Earth would the League want her in Atlanta though? She might want to be there for her boyfriend, but it's a crappy sports-town where attendance is likely to be terrible regardless - that's the last place they'll want Parker. They'd want her in a big market where she can boost attendance and interest league-wide, not somewhere where no one's going to care. |
The league would want her in Atlanta because it's the closest to Knoxville that the league is ever going to get. So I guess they're thinking that people from K'ville and southern parts of East Tennessee who like the Lady Vols will come down to watch. |
Yeah I can see that but don't you think gas and other travel expenses would play a big part in that decision for all but the hardcore fans? |
I think that would be a HUGE consideration once the novelty wore off. People might be willing to make the trip once in while but not with any real regularity that the league needs from it's fans.
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| Why on Earth would the League want her in Atlanta though? She might want to be there for her boyfriend, but it's a crappy sports-town where attendance is likely to be terrible regardless - that's the last place they'll want Parker. They'd want her in a big market where she can boost attendance and interest league-wide, not somewhere where no one's going to care. |
The league would want her in Atlanta because it's the closest to Knoxville that the league is ever going to get. So I guess they're thinking that people from K'ville and southern parts of East Tennessee who like the Lady Vols will come down to watch. |
And if there was one player that could make fair weather fans flock to see WNBA games, it would be her.
But I'm in agreement with everyone. I don't think they should give Atlanta the top pick. However, giving them the 7th is robbery, IMO. |
They wouldn't get the 7th pick, they would get the 6th. Five teams didn't make the playoffs and have "earned" their place in the lottery.
You can't rob someone of something they never had, so robbery would not be the way I would put it.
I do think it is fair and consistent, which I am more interested in than anything else. I also do believe that the 6th pick will produce a player that could at least be comparable to Candice Dupree.
The more I think about it, the more I think giving Atlanta a lottery pick is robbery.
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Not to rain on the parade but until if and when we get a team in Atlanta isn't this whole discussion moot?  |
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| Not to rain on the parade but until if and when we get a team in Atlanta isn't this whole discussion moot? |
Basically, yes. As much as I'd love to have a team in the South again, this year would be a BAD year to do it. What if we have to skip a month like we did in '04? That would not be good for a new team that's trying to get as many fans as it can. |
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| My Atlanta-based source briefly checked in again today & has now refused to discuss the matter further until after the announcement (in about two weeks). However, two items were mentioned of importance in the message. First the Gwinett Area is out for 2008. No reason was given so I couldn't tell you where the team would play. Second came the bomb. IT IS NOT AN EXPANSION TEAM COMING TO ATLANTA, BUT AN EXISTING FRANCHISE! This took me by surprise since Houston's owner has been making noises like he was staying for another year. Anybody else on the transfer block?
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An existing franchise? That's weird. I honestly think Houston will stay. Who else would it be? Are you sure s/he doesn't think the Storm is leaving Seattle?
Anyway. I guess I'll have to wait. I'm having a hard time stomaching a relocation though, mostly because I can't think of a team._________________ JENNASMITH13.com
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| Wow, I hope your source is not accurate on that one. Sure some franchises are struggling, but would they be better off in Atlanta as a startup? I doubt it.
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Much as I'm not sure an expansion franchise in Atlanta is a great idea, I really hope Bob's source is wrong as well. They'd be much better off adding a crappy expansion team, probably with an expansion fee of around $10m, than selling a team for much less than that and moving it into a (likely) poor market.
Last year the teams that got sold were ones where the NBA franchises that owned them had gotten tired of running them. Following that pattern, it'd be Detroit, Indiana, Minnesota, New York, Phoenix, Sacramento or San Antonio. Can't see Detroit selling, NY aren't gonna dump the Libs right now (they're in the middle of a sexual discrimintation suit for crying out loud), SA just started to show signs of progress, Phoenix just won a championship. That leaves Indiana, Minnesota or Sacramento if it's an NBA owner pulling out. The most obvious option if it's one of the independant owners is still Houston.
Yeah, screw this. I don't want to see another group of fans miserable about losing their team. Hope your source is wrong Bob.
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This person called me tonight leaving a message with those points I mentioned. All I can say is this individual could be wrong but has never called me to purposefully lead me astray. This source is a solid citizen.
Right now I would guess Houston. It makes sense as they have a lottery pick, be they not the favorite to get Parker.
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| Posted: 10/01/07 11:16 pm ::: |
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Here is why I'm confused...
The ever-so-informational Womens Hoops blog has posted that the Atlanta buyer is insisting the WNBA to give them a lottery pick. If it was Houston, they'd already have a pick. I doubt a playoff team would be moved.
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| Posted: 10/01/07 11:18 pm ::: |
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| Wow, that'd be surprising if Houston actually did relocate. Hope they dont, or any team at all.
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| Posted: 10/01/07 11:27 pm ::: |
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| braveniler58 wrote: |
| Wow, that'd be surprising if Houston actually did relocate. Hope they dont, or any team at all. |
If a storied franchise like Houston can end up forced to seek relocation, what hope is there for any team in the league. I mean FOUR championships!! What does it take to get a little loyalty? But then again, we do live in a "What have you done for me lately?" society. I hope its not. I hope all the negative speculation is off and that the reality is better than the positive rumors.
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| Posted: 10/02/07 1:59 am ::: Re: WNBA in Atlanta - Update! |
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| My Atlanta-based source briefly checked in again today & has now refused to discuss the matter further until after the announcement (in about two weeks). However, two items were mentioned of importance in the message. First the Gwinett Area is out for 2008. No reason was given so I couldn't tell you where the team would play. |
It has already been reported that an Atlanta franchise will play the majority of its games at Phillips Arena.
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| Posted: 10/02/07 2:44 am ::: |
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| An existing franchise? That's weird. I honestly think Houston will stay. Who else would it be? |
Any chance that Sheila Johnson and Lincoln Holdings would relocate the Mytics for a sweeter tenant's deal with the Hawks?
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(granted I was in college at the time, but my Mom and sis were still here and had no idea) But I will be the first one in line to pay my deposit if it happens!