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I kinda understand the whole chemistry thing - who will play better together vs. the best players. But is it coincidence that this is the second time Team USA got smoked by the "second string" and by the same MVP?
On a separate note - in light of Cheryl Miller's statements that she was asked to coach the All-Stars - and did it for no pay - only a few days before the game, how does the coach selection typically happen? And have prior coaches been paid? Seems unusual...
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| Posted: 07/22/24 11:33 am ::: |
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| Those that suggest that they should add Arike on to the USA team next time need to recognize that her type of player does not fit onto an Olympic team. She is a volume shooter who is not that valuable on a team with a lot of other great players. |
Jewell Loyd fits in OK and she's exactly the same kind of player |
I would argue she's not quite as much of a diehard one-on-one iso player as Arike, but I know what you mean. However, she's nowhere near as much of a nightmare defensively as Arike. Ogunbowale is still just a bad defender who quit or gets lost far too often (and the steals she's started to pile up are nice, but just add to the Iverson comparisons - who also got steals, but was also awful defensively).
There's plenty of value to a player like Arike that can always create her own shot and can get stupid-hot on occasion (like we saw on Saturday). But the inefficiency, combined with all the dancing with the ball that kills ball movement and team offense (plus the defense), has always made it fairly easy for USAB to leave her out. It's just easier to take a more 'traditional' shooting guard, unless she was so good that they couldn't ignore her. 36% from the field and 34% from three isn't getting to that point. |
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| Posted: 07/22/24 12:09 pm ::: |
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Jewell Loyd fits in OK and she's exactly the same kind of player |
I would argue she's not quite as much of a diehard one-on-one iso player as Arike, but I know what you mean. |
I'd say that's more a function of who she's played with than who she is. I saw Loyd last season being the shot hog from hell when she didn't have the stars to share the load.
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| Posted: 07/22/24 4:36 pm ::: |
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| Yep, another thing Iverson did as well. She has quick hands. Steals don't make you a good defender. They often mean you're a gambler. I'll grant you that lots of steals and shitty defense is better than fewer steals and shitty defense, though. |
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| Posted: 07/23/24 6:57 am ::: |
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| Those that suggest that they should add Arike on to the USA team next time need to recognize that her type of player does not fit onto an Olympic team. She is a volume shooter who is not that valuable on a team with a lot of other great players. |
Jewell Loyd fits in OK and she's exactly the same kind of player |
I would argue she's not quite as much of a diehard one-on-one iso player as Arike, but I know what you mean. However, she's nowhere near as much of a nightmare defensively as Arike. Ogunbowale is still just a bad defender who quit or gets lost far too often (and the steals she's started to pile up are nice, but just add to the Iverson comparisons - who also got steals, but was also awful defensively).
There's plenty of value to a player like Arike that can always create her own shot and can get stupid-hot on occasion (like we saw on Saturday). But the inefficiency, combined with all the dancing with the ball that kills ball movement and team offense (plus the defense), has always made it fairly easy for USAB to leave her out. It's just easier to take a more 'traditional' shooting guard, unless she was so good that they couldn't ignore her. 36% from the field and 34% from three isn't getting to that point. |
its been said before - she can shoot you into a game but can also shoot you out of a game.
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| Posted: 07/23/24 8:07 am ::: |
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| Yep, another thing Iverson did as well. She has quick hands. Steals don't make you a good defender. They often mean you're a gambler. I'll grant you that lots of steals and shitty defense is better than fewer steals and shitty defense, though. |
So with this method does that mean that CC is truly not that great of a passer? Leads the league in assists and turnovers but i dont hear anyone saying that she's not a good or great passer smh..#Politics still
You guys love trying to shoot her down as much as possible just like Team USA and yet she continues to get better and burn you all . Stop moving the goal post on Arike and keeping it closer for others. DT is the worst defender in WNBA history but nobody talks about that the way they talk about Arike . Heck Jewell lloyd shoots her team out of games just as much but nobody talks about that like ARike ...find somebody else to rag on because of personal distain at this point geeze.
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| Posted: 07/23/24 9:58 am ::: |
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Taurasi is old but smart. Arike has all the tools to be a good defender, but not the mindset. (Steals are indeed a pretty meaningless stat.)
Richyyy, as always, has it right. Arike is a true compiler, and her contributions to a winning team are much less than her statistics might suggest.
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| Posted: 07/23/24 10:49 am ::: |
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The Taurasi defense myth is getting ridiculous now. She’s a very good team defender, and is solid individually if you match her up with a strong player instead of a quick player. She’d never be DPY, and yes - she gets burnt on quick players, but that isn’t worst defensive player of all time.
And quite frankly, she easily looked like the best perimeter player on Team USA if we’re all judging by one game. Maybe we should have taken Caitlin to be mentored by her because it’s clear we’re gonna depend on CC in 2028.
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| Posted: 07/23/24 4:36 pm ::: |
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The Taurasi defense myth is getting ridiculous now. She’s a very good team defender, and is solid individually if you match her up with a strong player instead of a quick player. She’d never be DPY, and yes - she gets burnt on quick players, but that isn’t worst defensive player of all time.
And quite frankly, she easily looked like the best perimeter player on Team USA if we’re all judging by one game. Maybe we should have taken Caitlin to be mentored by her because it’s clear we’re gonna depend on CC in 2028. |
Now THAT is the biggest understatement of the year! I watched in person USA vs college kids. DT looked downright silly out there - more like a foosball stick player than an actual person. By contrast, no college kid could score when Copper was guarding them and no college kid could stop her from scoring.
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| Posted: 07/24/24 1:23 pm ::: |
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| We should remember that the commitee also rejected Parker because she was also deemed to not be a team player. I can see their reasoning. However, they do not always apply their criteria consistently. For example, Plum, has regressed to her earlier habits of dominating the ball and forcing drives into double and triple teams. That takes me back to a quote by Geno. He said that coming into college,most players know how to, but they still do not know when. Many players still carry that flaw well though their careers.
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| Posted: 07/24/24 4:28 pm ::: |
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| We should remember that the commitee also rejected Parker because she was also deemed to not be a team player. I can see their reasoning. However, they do not always apply their criteria consistently. For example, Plum, has regressed to her earlier habits of dominating the ball and forcing drives into double and triple teams. That takes me back to a quote by Geno. He said that coming into college,most players know how to, but they still do not know when. Many players still carry that flaw well though their careers. |
Let's get real here. Candace was rejected because she did not even consider going to UConn. They said they selected so many UConn players because they had "chemistry together." (Which is why Swin Cash barely got off the bench but got herself a gold medal).
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| Posted: 07/24/24 5:05 pm ::: |
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| We should remember that the commitee also rejected Parker because she was also deemed to not be a team player. |
Deemed by whom? That allegation is not supported by Candace Parker's basketball career.
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| Posted: 07/24/24 6:41 pm ::: |
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| We should remember that the commitee also rejected Parker because she was also deemed to not be a team player. |
:lol:
This same team that had Tina Charles on it?
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What, there's not a picture of Tina Charles next to "team player" in your dictionary?
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| Posted: 08/01/24 11:56 am ::: |
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Since no one answered this question, I'm bumping it!
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| On a separate note - in light of Cheryl Miller's statements that she was asked to coach the All-Stars - and did it for no pay - only a few days before the game, how does the coach selection typically happen? And have prior coaches been paid? Seems unusual... |
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| Posted: 08/01/24 1:23 pm ::: |
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Since no one answered this question, I'm bumping it!
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| On a separate note - in light of Cheryl Miller's statements that she was asked to coach the All-Stars - and did it for no pay - only a few days before the game, how does the coach selection typically happen? And have prior coaches been paid? Seems unusual... |
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Usually for the ASG, the coaches with the top record in each conference (or maybe now top two records regardless?) coach the teams. In this case, you could imagine having the top record coach, but that would have been Sandy Brondello who almost certainly would have wanted to head back to Australia (or Paris) asap for national team work.
I guess it could have made sense to shift to Stephanie White as the second-best record.
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