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| how is Georgia still in, and why is Iowa State so high?
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| Posted: 02/21/22 4:55 pm ::: |
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| how is Georgia still in, and why is Iowa State so high? |
Georgia earned a buffer in the non-conference portion of the season, notching some great non-conference wins and avoiding bad losses. They've struggled a bit in conference play, but I'd say 25 is still fair.
Iowa State has also done its part by avoiding bad losses, only losing to top 11 teams while beating #21 Iowa plus the entire Big 12 outside of Texas and Baylor. Texas does seem to have the upper hand on Iowa State when they play head to head, but Texas has had pretty terrible losses of its own.
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| Posted: 02/21/22 6:11 pm ::: |
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| how is Georgia still in, and why is Iowa State so high? |
Georgia earned a buffer in the non-conference portion of the season, notching some great non-conference wins and avoiding bad losses. They've struggled a bit in conference play, but I'd say 25 is still fair.
Iowa State has also done its part by avoiding bad losses, only losing to top 11 teams while beating #21 Iowa plus the entire Big 12 outside of Texas and Baylor. Texas does seem to have the upper hand on Iowa State when they play head to head, but Texas has had pretty terrible losses of its own. |
Iowa St lost all four of their premier games - twice to TX plus Baylor and LSU. What exactly have they accomplished to merit a top 10 ranking (6th prior to their most recent Texas loss)?
It seems a lot of Big 12 teams are living off of playing Texas, while Texas is living off of beating Stanford the first week of the season. Other than Baylor, none of the Big 12 teams impress me in watching them, and except for that one win over Stanford, none of them seem to have beaten anyone notable other than each other. Where are the non-conference wins that validate these rankings?
UGA may have more losses, but they've also played and beaten better teams including wins over NCSt, Notre Dame and Florida, and most of their losses are to the likes of SCar, GaTech, LSU and Tenn. I wonder what Iowa State's record would be vs UGA's schedule. If Iowa St is 9, UGA certainly belongs in the top 25.
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| Posted: 02/22/22 2:04 pm ::: |
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| how is Georgia still in, and why is Iowa State so high? |
Georgia earned a buffer in the non-conference portion of the season, notching some great non-conference wins and avoiding bad losses. They've struggled a bit in conference play, but I'd say 25 is still fair.
Iowa State has also done its part by avoiding bad losses, only losing to top 11 teams while beating #21 Iowa plus the entire Big 12 outside of Texas and Baylor. Texas does seem to have the upper hand on Iowa State when they play head to head, but Texas has had pretty terrible losses of its own. |
Iowa St lost all four of their premier games - twice to TX plus Baylor and LSU. What exactly have they accomplished to merit a top 10 ranking (6th prior to their most recent Texas loss)?
It seems a lot of Big 12 teams are living off of playing Texas, while Texas is living off of beating Stanford the first week of the season. Other than Baylor, none of the Big 12 teams impress me in watching them, and except for that one win over Stanford, none of them seem to have beaten anyone notable other than each other. Where are the non-conference wins that validate these rankings?
UGA may have more losses, but they've also played and beaten better teams including wins over NCSt, Notre Dame and Florida, and most of their losses are to the likes of SCar, GaTech, LSU and Tenn. I wonder what Iowa State's record would be vs UGA's schedule. If Iowa St is 9, UGA certainly belongs in the top 25. |
What they did was lead the B1G. That's all it takes for the AP. Just another example of the media's gross bias in favor of the P5 conferences. Wcbb may be a sport but it's strictly a business for the media. But with all the media money flowing into the N Dame bank accounts I understand your blindness to that reality.
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| Posted: 02/22/22 2:24 pm ::: |
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| how is Georgia still in, and why is Iowa State so high? |
Georgia earned a buffer in the non-conference portion of the season, notching some great non-conference wins and avoiding bad losses. They've struggled a bit in conference play, but I'd say 25 is still fair.
Iowa State has also done its part by avoiding bad losses, only losing to top 11 teams while beating #21 Iowa plus the entire Big 12 outside of Texas and Baylor. Texas does seem to have the upper hand on Iowa State when they play head to head, but Texas has had pretty terrible losses of its own. |
Iowa St lost all four of their premier games - twice to TX plus Baylor and LSU. What exactly have they accomplished to merit a top 10 ranking (6th prior to their most recent Texas loss)?
It seems a lot of Big 12 teams are living off of playing Texas, while Texas is living off of beating Stanford the first week of the season. Other than Baylor, none of the Big 12 teams impress me in watching them, and except for that one win over Stanford, none of them seem to have beaten anyone notable other than each other. Where are the non-conference wins that validate these rankings?
UGA may have more losses, but they've also played and beaten better teams including wins over NCSt, Notre Dame and Florida, and most of their losses are to the likes of SCar, GaTech, LSU and Tenn. I wonder what Iowa State's record would be vs UGA's schedule. If Iowa St is 9, UGA certainly belongs in the top 25. |
What they did was lead the B1G. That's all it takes for the AP. Just another example of the media's gross bias in favor of the P5 conferences. Wcbb may be a sport but it's strictly a business for the media. But with all the media money flowing into the N Dame bank accounts I understand your blindness to that reality. |
I believe you are confusing the B1G with the Big 12.
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| Posted: 02/22/22 3:16 pm ::: |
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| Iowa State's four losses are against top 11 teams. They have defeated Iowa, Oklahoma twice, Kansas State twice, while taking care of business against every other team they were "supposed" to beat, which is more than you can say for many many teams. They take care of the ball, play average defense, shoot the ball extremely well, and have pretty good scoring balance between the frontcourt and backcourt. What is the big fuss about them being ranked #9?
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Again, where are the OOC wins to validate any of the exalted Big 12 rankings?
The leaders of the SEC, ACC and PAC all have big time OOC wins to validate their positions. The entire Big12 is hanging by the thread of the first week tourney win by TX over Stanford.
Compare Iowa St to UNC. All of UNC's losses are to ranked teams, but they have a win over the #4 team in the country. UNC's record is more impressive, but it hasn't come near a #6 ranking. Iowa St has ZERO impressive wins. Not a single win that would warrant anything close to a top 10 ranking.
I go back to what started this discussion, which was a comparison of UGA and IowaSt. I expect that if Iowa St had played UGA's schedule their losses would be closer to 10 than to 4.
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| Posted: 02/22/22 7:54 pm ::: |
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| where's my popcorn? just sitting back to enjoy the show...
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| Posted: 02/22/22 9:36 pm ::: |
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| Power 5 teams in general, but it seems especially in the Big XII (and IMO the middle of the SEC), are tautological in nature: they're good because they beat good teams, who are also good teams because they beat good teams, and so forth in circles. "Shaped like itself" might be the applicable phrase here.
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North Carolina has not approached a top 10 ranking because in the OOC the best opponent they scheduled has a current NET ranking of 92. Here are their opponents:
#227 NC A&T
#94 Charlotte
#200 App State
#146 TCU
#92 VCU
#108 Washington
#98 Minnesota
#164 James Madison
#332 UNC Asheville
#296 Alabama State
Since starting ACC play they've managed to get crushed by Georgia Tech and NC State, split the series with Virginia Tech, and scrape out a 1 point victory over Louisville. North Carolina is certainly a solid team, but does anyone think they've been shortchanged by the AP voters?
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| Posted: 02/22/22 10:13 pm ::: |
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| You guys are overthinking the relative rankings of Iowa State and North Carolina. The difference between them is mostly poll inertia. Iowa State started the season at #12 while North Carolina was unranked and receiving no votes. Of course Iowa State is ranked much higher, given the trajectory of their seasons.
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| Posted: 02/22/22 11:12 pm ::: |
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| You guys are overthinking the relative rankings of Iowa State and North Carolina. The difference between them is mostly poll inertia. Iowa State started the season at #12 while North Carolina was unranked and receiving no votes. Of course Iowa State is ranked much higher, given the trajectory of their seasons. |
There is a lot of truth to this. But, the OOC scheduling played a significant role. North Carolina scheduled no opportunities to prove they were "worthy" of votes. Meanwhile Iowa State was actually playing, and beating, teams with a pulse. |
Perhaps. OTOH, NET has North Carolina ranked much higher than Iowa State. Massey has them about even (#8 and #9).
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| Posted: 02/28/22 1:33 pm ::: |
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| Someone forgot how to spell Louisville. They have the Louisiana Ragin Cajuns at #4. Am looking forward to conference tourney this week.
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| Posted: 03/07/22 3:37 pm ::: |
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| Interesting to see FIVE Big Ten teams in the top 15.
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| Kentucky went from unranked to #16. That’s quite the leap. And yet SC didn’t drop at all after a loss to an unranked team, not that I’m in love with Stanford at #1 either.
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| Posted: 03/07/22 4:40 pm ::: |
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| Kentucky went from unranked to #16. That’s quite the leap. And yet SC didn’t drop at all after a loss to an unranked team, not that I’m in love with Stanford at #1 either. |
Kentucky was unranked and receiving no votes.
South Carolina went from unanimously #1 to receiving 60% of the first place votes.
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