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PostPosted: 01/27/21 1:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

1989 is complete!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/19WLMgJw0SeoQWcKUoD8Hpo0aYKXTM2gkGwrADHOBuvE/edit?usp=sharing



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PostPosted: 02/24/21 1:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

1988 is complete!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aRMI_ovDmPNlkCr_uahVUlI9631TA7eBdzmEh_5GAc4/edit?usp=sharing



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PostPosted: 03/01/21 2:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I've noticed a few of things working on these 80's results

1 There were far more games between D-I and lower divisions than there are now

2 There were a lot more independents than there are now

3 There's more data missing than I expected. US International University in San Diego, for example, was a D-I school for a while. The school no longer exists, and neither does any official record of its results.



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PostPosted: 03/22/21 12:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

1987 is complete

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1SYrVdMHwgeBIIUrb0yqIU0ubGKV7ZPDr60W12VQJxBg/edit?usp=sharing



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PostPosted: 04/19/21 1:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
I've noticed a few of things working on these 80's results

1 There were far more games between D-I and lower divisions than there are now

2 There were a lot more independents than there are now

3 There's more data missing than I expected. US International University in San Diego, for example, was a D-I school for a while. The school no longer exists, and neither does any official record of its results.


4 Teams played fewer conference games that they do now



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PostPosted: 04/19/21 7:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
Howee wrote:
pilight wrote:
These are so not the answers I was looking for...


Pilight? If YOU can't find this *stuff*, I doubt God can. You really thought the mere mortals of Rebkells could do it? Shocked Razz


I'm good at finding things online. I have a suspicion this may be something that has to be located offline.


Yep. Real old data for collegiate sports, you find scans or pdf's of old typed out data that were in old notebooks or media guides. No different than with the NCAA. I personally updated the wikipedia page for South Carolina women's basketball to include a dedicated wiki for Nancy Wilson, who preceded the head coach Susan Walvius, who preceded Dawn Staley.

Seems Wiki only had one of those red-inked pages that was totally incomplete for Wilson, which was a crime to me considering that Wilson retired as the all-time winning-est head coach for TWO Div-I programs, College of Charleston and South Carolina, until Staley surpassed her 2-3 years ago.

Also Wilson was hired by the CoC HC/women's AD at the time Joan Cronan, who would resign the coaching duties to focus full-time on her AD duties - Cronan made the storyline interesting, because she was also previously the head WBB coach of Tennessee for 2 seasons, before being replaced with Margaret Hutson, who we all know would go on to hire a very young assistant named Pat Head.

Cronan would eventually return to Tennessee as their WBB Athletic Director, and hold that job for decades, all through Pat Head Summitt's WBB program dominance.

Anyhow, in order to populate Nancy Wilson's Wiki page with data, I had to scour the internet and NCAA resources as well. For a good while to start her coaching career, CoC was AIAW D-II, and led her team to three consecutive AIAW D-II national runner-up finishes.

To find that old AIAW data, luckily the NCAA.org site had some old pdf scans of older text pages - I had to do a search of Wilson's name as a head coach by first searching data of her last years at either USC or CoC (after leaving USC as the all-time winning-est HC, Wilson was an asst. coach of the Seattle Reign of the defunct ABL in their last years, then returned to CoC as HC to coach again for 9 more years until retiring for good.

Then I was able to select Wilson's name link, and it gave me her head coaching history including the AIAW years, and THEN I was able to click on those links to get the old AIAW data.

For mathematicians, researchers, and international intelligence wonks who love to pour over the minutiae of data, it would be a fun endeavor. I am not amongst those communities, however. I did complete my task though.


The real old data, unless it has current-day relevance like early NCAA stats/data of hard-core stats like scoring, rebounding, etc. just gets lost to the winds of time. Spending time to scan the old data into modern-day technological media costs money, and if it's perceived to be data that no one will care much about, they just by-pass doing it. They may still have it archived somewhere in some old dusty warehouse storage, but after a length of time I'm sure it gets destroyed as a fire hazard.

You're left hoping to find some old-timer who may still have some old media guides or press guides of the older seasons, who can scan pages for you. Good luck.......


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PostPosted: 04/19/21 8:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

There's a great deal of scans of team summaries at http://web1.ncaa.org/stats/StatsSrv/careersearch

That's what I've been using to compile most of the data I've been using for my sheets. I would have much rather found the RPI used for selection. I talked to Mel Greenberg, who has been covering WCBB forever, and his best recollection was that the NCAA didn't publish the women's RPI figures publicly until the late 90's.



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PostPosted: 05/16/21 12:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

1986 is complete

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t5_Y931oEwZy6sV-Qo3fxv666Lw92aZv8hdmCL669Uo/edit?usp=sharing



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PostPosted: 05/20/21 7:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Speaking of Wikipedia, I concur that Conway Gamecock did an excellent job working on the article about Nancy Wilson.

If anyone else has ever considered contributing to Wikipedia, I can help make that process easy.

As an example check out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Sphilbrick/Kamilla_Cardoso

This is a draft of an article about Kamilla_Cardoso. I assigned myself the more technical aspects of the article creation am am looking for a volunteer to provide some of the text

In this example, some pieces of the article are largely complete. Anything in italics identifies the types of discussions that should be added and I identified myself if I thought I was the best person to work on but added (volunteer) in case someone else is willing to work on it.

It doesn't have to be Kamilla. if a fan of any team wants to work on an article about a player or coach that doesn't yet exist, I can create such a template them work with you to get it ready.


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PostPosted: 08/01/21 12:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

1985 is complete

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lXjjhRsqSV34Y_hNHk_rudI8tzHNK5Gb8ZLrOy3H2fY/edit?usp=sharing



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