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PostPosted: 02/06/21 2:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
a third round pick is pretty much like trading nothing so it really doesn't matter does it?



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PostPosted: 02/06/21 2:53 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
myrtle wrote:
a third round pick is pretty much like trading nothing so it really doesn't matter does it?


Picks are often used to facilitate trades. For instance, the Lynx don’t have a second or third round pick in this draft. If you don’t have draft picks it can be hard to negotiate a trade because teams often don’t want to add players to the current roster but draft picks might be useful the next season. If you don’t have draft picks to trade for next season to get the player you want, get lost sucker. Take your chances on the waiver wire.



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PostPosted: 02/06/21 5:09 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Queenie wrote:
So does Thibault just no longer believe in drafts? He's already out of 2021 and has started dipping into the 2022 picks. Razz


A 3rd Rd Future WNBA Draft Pick For A Veteran Who Can Make A Contribution To The Team, A Smart WNBA GM Should Make That Deal Without Hesitation.

The NBA No Longer Does A Draft Pass The 2nd Rd. It's Likely The WNBA Does A Three Round Draft Is Fill Up TV Time
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PostPosted: 02/26/21 1:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Ariel Atkins will be staying with the Mystics for awhile , note to anyone who were wishing to snatch her u in 2022 as a Restricted Free Agent

Per Rachel Galligan Winsidr:

Sources inform Winsidr
Ariel Atkins's contract has been extended to 2023 with the Washington Mystics. Is $170k in 2022, and $175k in 2023, fully protected.
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PostPosted: 02/26/21 5:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
SportsGuru wrote:
Ariel Atkins will be staying with the Mystics for awhile , note to anyone who were wishing to snatch her u in 2022 as a Restricted Free Agent

Per Rachel Galligan Winsidr:

Sources inform Winsidr
Ariel Atkins's contract has been extended to 2023 with the Washington Mystics. Is $170k in 2022, and $175k in 2023, fully protected.

I know what baseline salary Cloud will ask for. Wink



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PostPosted: 02/26/21 8:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
https://twitter.com/T_Cloud4/status/1365455984286646275

Natasha Cloud wrote:
I’m not opting out the 2021 season.



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PostPosted: 02/26/21 8:11 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
pilight wrote:
https://twitter.com/T_Cloud4/status/1365455984286646275

Natasha Cloud wrote:
I’m not opting out the 2021 season.


Hmm, now why am I getting a vibe from that tweet that seems to suggest that negotiations still aren’t going well? Neutral
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PostPosted: 02/26/21 8:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Stormeo wrote:
pilight wrote:
https://twitter.com/T_Cloud4/status/1365455984286646275

Natasha Cloud wrote:
I’m not opting out the 2021 season.


Hmm, now why am I getting a vibe from that tweet that seems to suggest that negotiations still aren’t going well? Neutral

It's more just a response to a typically random and invented Swish Appeal article. The author is also not the first person to think 'suspended - contract expired' is somehow a type of contract. I feel like it's pretty clear right there in the name that their contract has expired.



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PostPosted: 02/26/21 8:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Maybe she should demand a trade to a team that has some cap space.....and willing to sign a longer deal.
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PostPosted: 02/26/21 9:30 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Last I read in the Wash Post Emma Meesseman's indecisiveness on her return after the 2021 Summer Olympics was holding up the finalization of Natasha Cloud's new contract with the Mystics.

I'm predicting somewhere in the neighborhood of 190.5K in 2021, 196.2K in 2022, 202.1K in 2023 for Natasha Cloud, which is slightly better than the new contract the Sun did with Jasmine Thomas.
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PostPosted: 02/26/21 10:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Richyyy wrote:
Stormeo wrote:
pilight wrote:
https://twitter.com/T_Cloud4/status/1365455984286646275

Natasha Cloud wrote:
I’m not opting out the 2021 season.


Hmm, now why am I getting a vibe from that tweet that seems to suggest that negotiations still aren’t going well? Neutral

It's more just a response to a typically random and invented Swish Appeal article. The author is also not the first person to think 'suspended - contract expired' is somehow a type of contract. I feel like it's pretty clear right there in the name that their contract has expired.


*looks at byline*

*is not surprised*



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PostPosted: 02/27/21 1:54 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
SportsGuru wrote:
Last I read in the Wash Post Emma Meesseman's indecisiveness on her return after the 2021 Summer Olympics was holding up the finalization of Natasha Cloud's new contract with the Mystics.

I'm predicting somewhere in the neighborhood of 190.5K in 2021, 196.2K in 2022, 202.1K in 2023 for Natasha Cloud, which is slightly better than the new contract the Sun did with Jasmine Thomas.


I’m predicting a one-year deal at $117K, which matches Sanders’ amount.



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PostPosted: 02/27/21 5:10 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Shades wrote:
SportsGuru wrote:
Last I read in the Wash Post Emma Meesseman's indecisiveness on her return after the 2021 Summer Olympics was holding up the finalization of Natasha Cloud's new contract with the Mystics.

I'm predicting somewhere in the neighborhood of 190.5K in 2021, 196.2K in 2022, 202.1K in 2023 for Natasha Cloud, which is slightly better than the new contract the Sun did with Jasmine Thomas.


I’m predicting a one-year deal at $117K, which matches Sanders’ amount.


Cloud >Thomas > Sanders

So, if Cloud is making what Sanders is, Connecticut is being badly mismanaged.



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PostPosted: 02/27/21 10:34 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
PickledGinger wrote:
Shades wrote:
SportsGuru wrote:
Last I read in the Wash Post Emma Meesseman's indecisiveness on her return after the 2021 Summer Olympics was holding up the finalization of Natasha Cloud's new contract with the Mystics.

I'm predicting somewhere in the neighborhood of 190.5K in 2021, 196.2K in 2022, 202.1K in 2023 for Natasha Cloud, which is slightly better than the new contract the Sun did with Jasmine Thomas.


I’m predicting a one-year deal at $117K, which matches Sanders’ amount.


Cloud >Thomas > Sanders

So, if Cloud is making what Sanders is, Connecticut is being badly mismanaged.


Connecticut is badly mismanaged, but that has nothing to do with this. Wink

So far the players on suspended contracts have been signing for right around the value of their last year’s contracts. That’s why I made that prediction. Has nothing to do with how I value Cloud. I would have preferred having Cloud come to the Lynx over either McBride or Powers. PG is a very important position, as Reeve seems to have forgotten.



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PostPosted: 03/08/21 3:17 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Sanders retiring.. Shocked



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PostPosted: 03/08/21 3:56 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
mavcarter wrote:
Sanders retiring.. Shocked


Aweee Thank you for everything Latoya "Laura - Pringle Sanders ! Prime example of a player who worked hard to get better . I honestly did not see WNBA potential in her at UNC but like Latta and Milly & Larkins she persevered and got better even left the W for a while and returned. One of the most consistent post defenders this last decade imo . Sad to see her go Embarassed



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PostPosted: 03/08/21 4:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Seems like cap space might have spurred the retirement. They had Shey Peddy in a similar coaching/development role within the organization, and the release says that Sanders will remain with the org.

I also see they signed Plaisance to a training camp contract. My hunch is this means Plaisance will be signed as a placeholder until Meesseman returns from the post-Olympic break. This also likely frees up money needed to sign Natasha Cloud.

Could also mean that Meesseman is signing elsewhere or not coming over, of course, but I'd expect to see Cloud sign soon and then Plaisance compete for a spot until Meesseman rejoins the team.
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PostPosted: 03/08/21 4:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Sanders had such a strange career. I ran similarity scores for her and the most similar player turned out to be Kiah Stokes. That sounds about right.



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PostPosted: 03/08/21 5:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Congratulation LaToya on your next move in life. LaToya's playing career exemplify hard work and dedication which will serve her well throughout life.

LaToya is moving into the Mystics Player Development position which was vacated by Asjha Jones when she moved to the Mystics bench as assistant coach
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PostPosted: 03/08/21 6:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
so once Cloud sign on we now have

Cloud/Mitchell
Atkins/Lesley
Clark/McCall
EDD/MHA
Charles/Plaisance

Stella Johnson, Sug Sutton, Gemalos or Kang for spot 11

and maybe Meesseman after the Olympics

I wonder what happens if the Olympics are postponed again?
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PostPosted: 03/08/21 6:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Seems like they first signed her as a safety net in case things didn’t work out like they wanted.



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PostPosted: 03/09/21 12:49 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote
J-Spoon wrote:
so once Cloud sign on we now have

Cloud/Mitchell
Atkins/Lesley
Clark/McCall
EDD/MHA
Charles/Plaisance

Stella Johnson, Sug Sutton, Gemalos or Kang for spot 11

and maybe Meesseman after the Olympics

I wonder what happens if the Olympics are postponed again?


Looking good! Stella, Sug and Jackie know the system. It's nice to have them fighting for a spot and ready to play if injury occurs. Emma comes over as soon as the $$ works for her to come.

As far as the Olympics, I expect them to take place on time. Every athlete in the U.S. will be fully vaccinated by end of April. Hoping that someone steps up so all athletes around the world can be vaccinated by end of May. For one thing, getting Olympic athletes vaccinated will help overcome any vaccine anxiety remaining in any country. Having J & J is changing all the arithmetic.



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PostPosted: 03/09/21 9:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Natasha, Congratulations On Your New Contract With The Mystics.

Per Kareem Copeland Washington Post:

Natasha Cloud has reached a multi-year agreement with the Washington Mystics, according to a person with knowledge of the deal. All that's left is to complete the paperwork.




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PostPosted: 03/09/21 9:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
SportsGuru wrote:
Per Kareem Copeland Washington Post:

Natasha Cloud has reached a multi-year agreement with the Washington Mystics, according to a person with knowledge of the deal. All that's left is to complete the paperwork.


https://twitter.com/Khristina2334/status/1369449866905214982

Quote:
[Cloud] has re-signed with the Mystics at $190K 2021, $185K 2022, $190K 2023. With marketing money on top each year.


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PostPosted: 03/09/21 9:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote
Stormeo wrote:
SportsGuru wrote:
Per Kareem Copeland Washington Post:

Natasha Cloud has reached a multi-year agreement with the Washington Mystics, according to a person with knowledge of the deal. All that's left is to complete the paperwork.


https://twitter.com/Khristina2334/status/1369449866905214982

Quote:
[Cloud] has re-signed with the Mystics at $190K 2021, $185K 2022, $190K 2023. With marketing money on top each year.


Wow, I predicted Natasha's new contract will come in the range of what The Connecticut Sun signed Jasmine Thomas to a guaranteed, 3-year deal at $185k, $190k, $190k
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