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ClayK
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Championship or bust. That is my perspective of the 2021 Sky. Since the the Sky made a commitment to the OTHER Parker they need to push all the chips to the middle of the table. If they don't win the championship this year then the acquisition of LA Parker is a bust.  |
Ok, don't hate me Sky fans, but two things:
1. Candace Parker doesn't solve the biggest hurdle to a 2021 championship....and that's the perimeter defense of the VanDerQuigs in a 5 game series.
2. To me, at least from what I see on social media, the Sky have some of the best chemistry of any team in the W. What does adding Parker, who doesn't exactly have the best reputation as being a good teammate or frankly, caring(in spurts), do to the locker room climate? I mean, allllll that talent in LA the past 6 years and they've won one championship....on a shot that shouldn't have counted. |
Excellent point about the defense, because despite the award, Candace is defensive downgrade from Cheyenne (best defender on the team according to Her Hoop Stats).
Candace will be an upgrade offensively, but the Sky were already a top tier offensive team, so it's clear what the plan is: You may score 86 a game, but we're getting 90.
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| Posted: 01/29/21 10:29 am ::: |
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| ClayK wrote: |
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| Championship or bust. That is my perspective of the 2021 Sky. Since the the Sky made a commitment to the OTHER Parker they need to push all the chips to the middle of the table. If they don't win the championship this year then the acquisition of LA Parker is a bust. |
Ok, don't hate me Sky fans, but two things:
1. Candace Parker doesn't solve the biggest hurdle to a 2021 championship....and that's the perimeter defense of the VanDerQuigs in a 5 game series.
2. To me, at least from what I see on social media, the Sky have some of the best chemistry of any team in the W. What does adding Parker, who doesn't exactly have the best reputation as being a good teammate or frankly, caring(in spurts), do to the locker room climate? I mean, allllll that talent in LA the past 6 years and they've won one championship....on a shot that shouldn't have counted. |
Excellent point about the defense, because despite the award, Candace is defensive downgrade from Cheyenne (best defender on the team according to Her Hoop Stats).
Candace will be an upgrade offensively, but the Sky were already a top tier offensive team, so it's clear what the plan is: You may score 86 a game, but we're getting 90. |
When you settle in for years with a starting backcourt of Quigley and Vandersloot, you clearly have a philosophy that doesn't prioritize defense.
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Richyyy
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| Posted: 01/29/21 11:44 am ::: |
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Excellent point about the defense, because despite the award, Candace is defensive downgrade from Cheyenne (best defender on the team according to Her Hoop Stats).
Candace will be an upgrade offensively, but the Sky were already a top tier offensive team, so it's clear what the plan is: You may score 86 a game, but we're getting 90. |
If you're going to use the HHS stats to pick Cheyenne Parker out as Chicago's best defender, shouldn't you use the same stats that pick out Candace Parker as one of the league's elite defenders for many, many years? The advanced defensive stats love Candace practically every year for the last decade. And while I thought the DPotY award was a nonsense, I think Candace is an upgrade over Cheyenne for what they need behind Vandersloot/Quigley. And one of the best ways to 'solve' a weak defensive backcourt is to put a significant presence in the paint behind them. Shaq made a lot of mediocre defenders a lot of money doing that, back in the day. |
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ClayK
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| Posted: 01/29/21 12:32 pm ::: |
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Excellent point about the defense, because despite the award, Candace is defensive downgrade from Cheyenne (best defender on the team according to Her Hoop Stats).
Candace will be an upgrade offensively, but the Sky were already a top tier offensive team, so it's clear what the plan is: You may score 86 a game, but we're getting 90. |
If you're going to use the HHS stats to pick Cheyenne Parker out as Chicago's best defender, shouldn't you use the same stats that pick out Candace Parker as one of the league's elite defenders for many, many years? The advanced defensive stats love Candace practically every year for the last decade. And while I thought the DPotY award was a nonsense, I think Candace is an upgrade over Cheyenne for what they need behind Vandersloot/Quigley. And one of the best ways to 'solve' a weak defensive backcourt is to put a significant presence in the paint behind them. Shaq made a lot of mediocre defenders a lot of money doing that, back in the day. |
Good point ... so really, I'd say then that defense is pretty opaque to stats, and my eye test prefers Cheyenne to Candance, if only because of age and health.
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| Posted: 01/29/21 12:56 pm ::: |
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| Chicago is in win now mode. Cheyenne is a great young talent but was she really gonna lead Chicago to a Championship? Chicago did what most teams do this was their chance to bring in a super star who may not still be in the prime but can get the job done and yes Parker only has one Championship but look at those teams she had to carry in her 13 years in LA this Chicago squad by far is the best team Parker has ever had to utilize her skill set. Is Candace Parker the greatest defender no shes not but having her in the paint will make teams think twice before coming in the lane
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| CP3's main focus will probably be on defense and rebounding, which are two things she knows how to do. The good thing though, is that she'll be able to take possessions off on offense and conserve her energy on that end of the floor given how balanced the Sky already are on that end of the floor. They don't need 20 or even 15 PPG from her. They just need a consistent defensive leader, and I think she can do that better than Cheyenne Parker could've. If she's consistent on that end of the floor, that might be enough to push the Sky into legitimate contention. Everyone's gotta (get &) stay healthy, though.
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| Posted: 01/29/21 1:07 pm ::: |
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| CP3's main focus will probably be on defense and rebounding, which are two things she knows how to do. The good thing though, is that she'll be able to take possessions off on offense and conserve her energy on that end of the floor given how balanced the Sky already are on that end of the floor. They don't need 20 or even 15 PPG from her. They just need a consistent defensive leader, and I think she can do that better than Cheyenne Parker could've. If she's consistent on that end of the floor, that might be enough to push the Sky into legitimate contention. Everyone's gotta (get &) stay healthy, though. |
All true, but adding the best post passer in the history of the game to your team isn't exactly going to hurt the offense. Candace is a massive upgrade over Cheyenne in that regard.
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| Posted: 01/29/21 1:14 pm ::: |
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| CP3's main focus will probably be on defense and rebounding, which are two things she knows how to do. The good thing though, is that she'll be able to take possessions off on offense and conserve her energy on that end of the floor given how balanced the Sky already are on that end of the floor. They don't need 20 or even 15 PPG from her. They just need a consistent defensive leader, and I think she can do that better than Cheyenne Parker could've. If she's consistent on that end of the floor, that might be enough to push the Sky into legitimate contention. Everyone's gotta (get &) stay healthy, though. |
All true, but adding the best post passer in the history of the game to your team isn't exactly going to hurt the offense. Candace is a massive upgrade over Cheyenne in that regard. |
The way Chicago team is set up and the 3 point shooting ability of Quigley and Vandersloot makes it hard for alot of teams to guard Parker and Chicago. Wade can almost use Parker as a decoy to bring a defender off Vandersloot or Quigley to get a wide open 3
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| Posted: 01/29/21 1:33 pm ::: |
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IMO, this is the perfect fit for everyone involved. Candace, even at 35 years old, is still a superstar talent and she showed that last season.
More than individual defense, I'll be curious to see if the Sky can deploy solid team defense on the perimeter. |
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| Posted: 01/29/21 7:13 pm ::: |
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| This last summer, Wasn’t it the last game before Azura got injured when the Sky played against Las Vegas and Azura pretty much stifled Aja Wilson with multiple blocks? The Sky were a much better team with Azura. Defensively, they could be quite a bit better with very mobile Posts? It’s be great to have a season where the Sky team has a real presence in the paint to support the guards. Pokey used to say that pound for pound Sloot was the best defender on the team.
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| Posted: 01/29/21 7:51 pm ::: |
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| This last summer, Wasn’t it the last game before Azura got injured when the Sky played against Las Vegas and Azura pretty much stifled Aja Wilson with multiple blocks? The Sky were a much better team with Azura. Defensively, they could be quite a bit better with very mobile Posts? It’s be great to have a season where the Sky team has a real presence in the paint to support the guards. Pokey used to say that pound for pound Sloot was the best defender on the team. |
The way she was getting cooked last year, Pokey must’ve been wearing a blindfold.
In Sloot’s defense, she does at least put some effort into it but it isn’t enough._________________
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| Posted: 01/30/21 5:34 am ::: |
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| IMO its more their teamdefense and the combination of players that is not working well defensively. The combination of Sloot and Allie = lightweights at the guard position and then you have a center in Dolson who is big but not that great defensively. Its not a good mix. Put another athletic bigger guard or post in that line-up and things will really improve.
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| Posted: 01/30/21 6:03 am ::: |
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If everyone is healthy I might try to shape the roster like this
Sloot/#8 (Evans, Westbrook, maybe Slocum if the others are gone)
Copper/Quigley
Deshields/Williams
Stevens/Hebard/Mavunga
Parker/Dolson
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| Posted: 01/30/21 10:55 am ::: |
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| Parker is still one of the best players in the league on both defense and offense- when she decides to play. Going to a new team might inspire her in that direction much like having her daughter with her in the bubble did this last season. Chicago will probably get her best this coming season because she has something to prove. I would not count on it though for the rest of her career.
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| Posted: 01/30/21 11:58 am ::: |
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| Parker is still one of the best players in the league on both defense and offense- when she decides to play. Going to a new team might inspire her in that direction much like having her daughter with her in the bubble did this last season. Chicago will probably get her best this coming season because she has something to prove. I would not count on it though for the rest of her career. |
Chicago will absolutely get Parker best on a nightly basis. Her biggest critic and the person she want's to impress most will be watching every night. Her father
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| Posted: 02/01/21 1:31 pm ::: |
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| I’m curious whether Dolson will be a starter beside Parker, or a back up for Parker?
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| Posted: 02/01/21 1:35 pm ::: |
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| I’m curious whether Dolson will be a starter beside Parker, or a back up for Parker? |
As great as Parker is on defense you do not want her banging against those big bodies every night.
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| Posted: 02/01/21 1:49 pm ::: |
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| I’m curious whether Dolson will be a starter beside Parker, or a back up for Parker? |
As great as Parker is on defense you do not want her banging against those big bodies every night. |
I truly hope not!
So, are we thinking:
Sloot/#8/an acquisition/ Is Colson out of the picture?
Quigley/Copper
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Parker/Stevens
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| Posted: 02/01/21 2:22 pm ::: |
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Unless they give Bird a multi year deal, I think Bird retires after this year.
Am I the only one to think that Sloot would be a great fit in SEA after Bird retires? I’m not sure if Sloot is corable anymore, but if not, a Bonner type of deal (which I hate) could be done.
Assuming Quigley is part of a package deal (or maybe she can just sign on her own), it could be something like Sloot & Quigley for Loyd (who has strong Chicago ties) and maybe toss in Canada.
Not sure how the particulars would work out, but there’s something about Sloot going to SEA and Loyd going to CHI that just feels right.
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Parker often preferred guarding the 5 in LA because it meant not having to chase mobile 4s around. She and Nneka often seemed to decide on their own which of the posts they wanted to take.
But yeah, it'll obviously vary depending on who she's out there with. Dolson obviously takes 5s, but with someone like Stevens it's probably Parker who ends up the 'center'. |
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and Quigles turns 35 this year.