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PostPosted: 10/21/20 3:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

When talking about Brionna Jones, it is important to note that within the starting lineup, she was no more than their 3rd- or 4th-option, especially when defenders would leave the Sun's guards alone on the perimeter to jack up shots. As noted, she is a slower defender – well, player in general – but she's also not a good rebounder for a center (just 5.6 RPG, though Bonner and AT were consistent enough on the glass to where that didn't matter a whole lot). If she goes elsewhere, her new team would have to understand the limits to her game and not try to make her into a star player, where she would probably fail.

It was nice to see that she has developed a pretty consistent jump shot. The consistency of her free-throw line jumper surprised me, so hopefully she's not done expanding her range.



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PostPosted: 10/21/20 5:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

But was her lack of rebounding on the offensive end at least partially because she was trying to give space for Bonner and Thomas who need room to drive? Not sure as I didn't watch her enough.



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PostPosted: 10/21/20 5:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

myrtle wrote:
But was her lack of rebounding on the offensive end at least partially because she was trying to give space for Bonner and Thomas who need room to drive? Not sure as I didn't watch her enough.

Statistically speaking, she averaged as many o-boards as she did d-boards (roughly 2.8 each). So maybe her job was only to rebound on that end of the floor and Bonner & AT handled the other. Still, 2.8 defensive rebounds/game out of your starting center isn’t great, but maybe it’s all about her role. Both Bonner and AT each averaged a career high in RPG fwiw.



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PostPosted: 10/22/20 9:48 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

It's possible Jones could be more effective on a team that shot three-pointers well, but the eye test says she's slow of foot (but quick of hand).

She looks like a competent backup to me (Mercedes Russell type) but maybe in the right situation she can be an effective starter.



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PostPosted: 10/22/20 10:47 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Jones is definitely an interesting case this offseason. She seems to have done a good enough job to earn a decent vet contract from somebody, but if I'm a WNBA GM I'd want someone else to be paying it to her. I think she probably tops out as a 4th or 5th starter, and the problem in this era is that overpaying someone in that range could come with significant opportunity cost.

One of those players you absolutely want when they're still on their rookie-scale contract, but you have to think very carefully about once they're off it.



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PostPosted: 10/22/20 2:22 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I remember Brionna Jones early in her career at Maryland. She was huge, and you’d take one look at her and say “no chance”. But Brionna worked on her body and she worked on her game. By the time Jones left Maryland, she was a really good college player. Now, after four years, Brionna has turned herself into a serviceable WNBA starter. Like I said before, more of a Plan B or Plan C option but still a decent player. Jones is smart and determined. It would not shock me if we look up years from now and see her still playing in the league. Look at Leilani Mitchell who is a starter in the WNBA at age 35. Who the heck thought she’d still be around at age 35? Like Jones, FLB has physical limitations and has never been more than a Plan B or Plan C option. However, Mitchell could always shoot the 3, was good at ball security, and she is adored by teammates. Now, Leilani also adds veteran savvy and an ability to hit big shots at crunch time. So, maybe Jones can be the Leilani Mitchell equivalent at center. She’s a solid scorer and effective banger on both ends of the court. Despite being slow, she does have good anticipation and is able to cause loose balls. Brionna does enough good stuff to make herself very useful, and it would not surprise me if over time she sharpens her skills and adds new ones. Jones will never be anyone's ideal center, but being everybody's favorite Plan B or C can keep you in the league for a long time.



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PostPosted: 10/23/20 10:19 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The single most important variable about any player, at any age, is when they will stop improving. Some players are who they will be at 18; some get better into their 30s.

A lot of that depends on work ethic and desire, and a lot also depends on how much more improvement there is available in the physical package. The biggest single thing you hear about players who improve rapidly or consistently is a devotion to physical conditioning, generally losing weight and adding muscle.

It's very interesting to hear that Jones has done that, and it makes her, it seems to me, more likely to continue improving than others her age, or at the least, maintain her level of play for several years to come.



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PostPosted: 01/13/21 12:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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League sources have informed @winsidr that Alyssa Thomas has suffered a lower leg injury and will return to the states for further medical evaluation.


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Thomas is currently returning to the states. The Connecticut Sun have no comment until further medical evaluation. It is expected to be serious.



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PostPosted: 01/13/21 1:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Dang. AT is easily one of the funnest players to watch. Hope she's okay and recovers swiftly.


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PostPosted: 01/13/21 1:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Oh fuck. And she probably can't even get her shoulders fixed up in the process if she doesn't have two good legs to stand on. Get 100% well soon, Alyssa.

She's gonna end up lookin' like this whenever she actually gets surgery for all these injuries she's accumulated.



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PostPosted: 01/13/21 4:31 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Stormeo wrote:
Oh fuck. And she probably can't even get her shoulders fixed up in the process if she doesn't have two good legs to stand on. Get 100% well soon, Alyssa.

She's gonna end up lookin' like this whenever she actually gets surgery for all these injuries she's accumulated.


Does this change negotiations if your Connecticut ?



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PostPosted: 01/13/21 4:54 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
Stormeo wrote:
Oh fuck. And she probably can't even get her shoulders fixed up in the process if she doesn't have two good legs to stand on. Get 100% well soon, Alyssa.

She's gonna end up lookin' like this whenever she actually gets surgery for all these injuries she's accumulated.


Does this change negotiations if your Connecticut ?


If it’s a season-ending injury, in old school WNBA she’s suspended without pay, making it easier to not let other valued players go for at least a year. Maybe the league will make her this year’s ambassador.



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PostPosted: 01/13/21 4:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Stormeo wrote:
Oh fuck. And she probably can't even get her shoulders fixed up in the process if she doesn't have two good legs to stand on. Get 100% well soon, Alyssa.

She's gonna end up lookin' like this whenever she actually gets surgery for all these injuries she's accumulated.


Does this change negotiations if your Connecticut ?


If it’s a season-ending injury, in old school WNBA she’s suspended without pay, making it easier to not let other valued players go for at least a year. Maybe the league will make her this year’s ambassador.



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PostPosted: 01/13/21 5:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

We can rebuild her. We have the technology.

(seriously, please get well soon, AT, and for the love of all that is sweet and holy FIX YOUR BROKEN PIECES)



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PostPosted: 01/13/21 6:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The BS position they gave Stewie lol all jokes aside AT don’t talk enough to be offered that lol I hope it’s nothing two crazy and shell get those shoulder fix while she’s forced to sit … if the injury ain’t too crazy I’ll still think she’ll get the max contract


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Shades wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Stormeo wrote:
Oh fuck. And she probably can't even get her shoulders fixed up in the process if she doesn't have two good legs to stand on. Get 100% well soon, Alyssa.

She's gonna end up lookin' like this whenever she actually gets surgery for all these injuries she's accumulated.


Does this change negotiations if your Connecticut ?


If it’s a season-ending injury, in old school WNBA she’s suspended without pay, making it easier to not let other valued players go for at least a year. Maybe the league will make her this year’s ambassador.



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PostPosted: 01/14/21 2:34 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The Sun extended Curt Miller for four long years.



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PostPosted: 01/14/21 3:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
Shades wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
Stormeo wrote:
Oh fuck. And she probably can't even get her shoulders fixed up in the process if she doesn't have two good legs to stand on. Get 100% well soon, Alyssa.

She's gonna end up lookin' like this whenever she actually gets surgery for all these injuries she's accumulated.


Does this change negotiations if your Connecticut ?


If it’s a season-ending injury, in old school WNBA she’s suspended without pay, making it easier to not let other valued players go for at least a year. Maybe the league will make her this year’s ambassador.



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That's probably only slightly more likely than them naming Kelly Loeffler to the ambassadorship.



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PostPosted: 01/14/21 5:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Hopefully Conn can hook A. Thomas up with some kind of team related promotional job

OTOH her being suspended because she hurt herself overseas opens up the money they need to bring back B. Jones and B. Holmes and J. Thomas

J. Thomas/Heideman
B. January/FA
B. Holmes/K. Charles
Bonner/Mompremier
J. Jones/B. Jones

If they go with 11 they probably have enough money to offer
Whitcomb, SWK, S. Rodgers, R. Williams a contract (Or if they can pull it off A. Powers, add Powers in as the starter at SF and Conn would be pretty competitive maybe even a contender) and fill out the last spot with one of their 2nd round picks (Walker, Boley, V. Gray) or scoop up one of the wings who doesn't make the cut in NY


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PostPosted: 01/20/21 4:39 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Sun confirmed the Alyssa Thomas blew out her Achilles, had surgery: https://sun.wnba.com/news/alyssa-thomas-undergoes-successful-surgery/



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PostPosted: 01/20/21 5:05 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
Sun confirmed the Alyssa Thomas blew out her Achilles, had surgery: https://sun.wnba.com/news/alyssa-thomas-undergoes-successful-surgery/


Crying or Very sad so sad for Thomas. Once she gets off crutches maybe this it the time to get her shoulders repaired.

well, it may end up being an opportunity for the team...to get a better draft pick next year.



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PostPosted: 01/20/21 5:29 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

myrtle wrote:
Richyyy wrote:
Sun confirmed the Alyssa Thomas blew out her Achilles, had surgery: https://sun.wnba.com/news/alyssa-thomas-undergoes-successful-surgery/


Crying or Very sad so sad for Thomas. Once she gets off crutches maybe this it the time to get her shoulders repaired.

well, it may end up being an opportunity for the team...to get a better draft pick next year.


Probably not what Bonner envisioned when she joined the team. No Jonquel Jones in 2020. No Alyssa Thomas in 2021. Lucky for her, she's scheduled to be here through 2023...

I hope AT still gets re-signed for something and gets paid as a player on the team. (If not, then yes, we might have our next 'ambassador'.) This franchise owes a lot of its modern success to her, considering how many moments there were that she could have sat out & rested/healed from injury, leading up to this terribly unfortunate moment.

So much to sort out for the Sun decision-makers, as it relates to free agency, in little time to do so. No idea what direction they'll choose to go in, but I agree they should just go for a good 2022 Draft pick at this point – I think they'll still try & cobble together a "competitive" roster.

I'd like to see the Sun & Jasmine Thomas part ways. Kinda think she's (been?) ready to be some team's solid backup PG at this point...



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PostPosted: 01/21/21 2:26 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Stewart, Plum and now Thomas. Knock on wood that achilles tears aren't the new ACL.


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