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But instead the state governments are telling small businesses to shut down while providing them nothing in compensation.
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So....Socialism IS a necessity here and now. Right? |
What did they call government programs in the days of FDR and LBJ? Whatever term(s) they used back then would be preferable to "socialism" in my book. Socialism has a specific definition with regard to ownership of "the means of production". |
(so....is it better if 'ownership' lies with The People, or The Government??)
What they *called it* -- tomato, tomahto -- is irrelevant to its basic principles. Socialism comes in many flavors and its implementation takes many forms. What Venezuela or Cuba call socialism is not what Bernie or AOC promote, democratic socialism.
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| Socialism is a political, social and economic philosophy encompassing a range of economic and social systems characterized by social ownership of the means of production and workers' self-management of enterprises. It includes the political theories and movements associated with such systems. Social ownership can be public, collective, cooperative, or of equity. While no single definition encapsulates many types of socialism, social ownership is the one common element. Socialists disagree about the degree to which social control or regulation of the economy is necessary; how far society should intervene and whether government, particularly existing government, is the correct vehicle for change. |
Yes, "socialism" is NOT a four-letter word.  |
As far as Bernie Sanders and anyone referring to Europe and using socialism in a word pair, analogies are not very good at making a point, but I can't resist. It's like people saying they are a "Democratic homosexual" and pointing to their ownership and regular playing of Cher and Bette Midler albums (males) or their wearing their hair shorter than 4 inches long (females) as examples of their Democratic homosexuality. However, they have only been attracted to the opposite sex in their lifetimes. But people start including "Democratic homosexuality" as one of the many implementations of homosexuality, even though it is lacking any part of the "basic principle" or "characterized by".
I was ready to say that Venezuela was not socialist and all the Republicans using it as an example are incorrect, since I knew it had a stock exchange, something not found in socialist countries. But in checking, it is partly socialist. The government has taken control of the oil industry (back in 1970s) and companies in other industries back about 10 years ago, some of which must be the bulk of that industry (large phone and large utility company). So a fair characterization of Venezuela to me is "part-socialist". But how bad that is economically is hard to determine since South America is full of poor non-socialist countries and we put an embargo on them that more than cancels out any benefit they get from having "heavy oil" (and the oil price has come down from the record plateau a decade ago which).
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| Posted: 12/15/20 1:18 pm ::: |
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| Posted: 12/20/20 11:00 am ::: |
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That's truly appalling, but the CDC was on a downhill slide for a long time due to budget and program cuts well before these morons tried to deliver the coup de grace.
One good thing that's come out of this is CREID. The NIH, specifically the Nat'l Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases under Dr Fauci, has established a Centers for Research in Emerging Infectious Diseases.
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The global network will involve multidisciplinary investigations into how and where viruses and other pathogens emerge from wildlife and spillover to cause disease in people. NIAID intends to provide approximately $82 million over five years to support the network.
“The impact of the COVID-19 pandemic serves as a potent reminder of the devastation that can be wrought when a new virus infects humans for the first time,” said NIAID Director Anthony S. Fauci. “The CREID network will enable early warnings of emerging diseases wherever they occur, which will be critical to rapid responses. The knowledge gained through this research will increase our preparedness for future outbreaks.” |
Hopefully this initiative will continue to get the funding it deserves.
https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/nih-establishes-centers-research-emerging-infectious-diseases
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I've read several articles today quoting various "experts" who are proposing the second round of vaccines be delayed so more people can get their first injections, citing logistical delays and distribution bottlenecks OR that we cut the amount of the doses in half.
WTF? I am so angry at this that I could spit nails. We've got good studies from 2 manufacturers showing their vaccines are 94-95% effective without significant side effects if 2 doses are given a month apart, and now a bunch of flipping morons want to change dose amounts and schedules out of convenience with zero knowledge of how this will alter the effectiveness of the vaccine. Just a glaring example of the politicization and lack of regard for science that we've been inflicted with during this whole pandemic.
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In VT, a conspiracy theorist with weapons, body armor, ammo, and anti-govt and anti-vax notes was arrested by the ATF.
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The ATF said one source advised Loucks is under the belief the government and the “deep state” are after him, and Loucks made mention that he believes the COVID-19 screening precautions are part of a government conspiracy to gain control over the population...
...[Notes] listed tactics and strategies, and others list hospital locations, pharmacies, prisons, long-term care, primary care, EMTs, nurses, doctors, colleges, and Blue Cross Blue Shield of Vermont, court records show.
One note noted “Vaccine Deceivers:” with “Pfizer/Moderna,” “US Postal Service” and “Police Force” listed below.
Another note mentions the Vermont National Guard sites, including South Burlington, Rutland, Waterbury, St. Albans and Burke, records show. It also mentions two chain pharmacies in Vermont. |
https://www.timesargus.com/news/covid19/feds-arrest-vermonter-over-threats/article_38903131-58d6-5dc0-8389-33642abb2c08.html
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There is an encouraging study that find people with immunity to COVID-19 8 months after they contracted it. There have been people who got COVID-19, and then got it again, but I just heard a guy say in an interview that that was not common. And this article says:
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COVID-19 immunity robust eight months after infection, study says
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At 24:23 a doctor with some expertise in the field discusses the idea of giving one vaccine dose and waiting a lot longer for the second, in order to maximize coverage of the population immediately. He refers to the UK's approach as a "pretty extreme decision".
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This made the TV news in the San Francisco Bay Area. A hospital staff member decided to spread some Christmas cheer in a hospital on Christmas day and it turned into a super spreader event. She was pre-symptomatic or asymptomatic and was in a Christmas tree costume that was air-inflated and had a battery-operated fan inside which blew air out. One woman thinks she was infected from the costumed-employee despite being six feet away during a brief contact, and wearing a mask and face shield. Which sounds like an "aerosol" (fine particles that float in the air for a while) event.
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“She was just spreading joy,” said a nurse who worked that morning.
Instead, her battery-operated, air-powered costume may have spread the coronavirus throughout the ER. In the days since, 44 staff members have become infected, and on Sunday night Kaiser announced that one of the employees working Christmas Day has died, a tragedy that is making worldwide headlines. It wasn’t clear Monday whether any visitors or patients to the unit were also infected. |
https://www.record-bee.com/2021/01/06/she-was-just-spreading-joy-kaiser-nurse-reveals-details-of-suspected-christmas-tree-costume-covid-superspreader/
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Most Covid-19 survivors 'still suffer symptoms 6 months later' new study shows
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Fatigue and muscle weakness are among the long term effects of coronavirus, with the majority of patients reporting issues months after their initially fall ill
More than three quarters of coronavirus patients have at least one ongoing symptom six months after initially becoming unwell, according to a new study.
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A Troubling New Pattern Among the Coronavirus Variants
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The most concerning versions of the virus are not simply mutating—they’re mutating in similar ways.
Studies are ongoing to figure out exactly how much this mutation affects vaccines, but it does suggest that vaccine makers might need to update their shots if more mutations like E484K accumulate over a period of years.
Scientists now wonder whether the variants in South Africa and Brazil are spreading precisely because they have this slight advantage in overcoming previous immunity. |
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