RebKell's Junkie Boards

[Richyyy]

Glad you're enjoying them. More on the way next week.

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[myrtle]

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[Skyfan22]

Maybe the Wings could secure Howard. She has won 2 already and probably now wants the money that Bird, Stevie, Clark and Loyd are hogging. Come to Dallas, get the Superman and cement your place as one of the tops I. The league.

[Stormeo]

[DFWub2018]

[Stormeo]

[Cooper2009]

[Stormeo]

[J-Spoon]

I think Dallas needs to offer Seattle something different.

How about

Howard for Alarie and pick #5

Adding Howard to Ogunbowale and Sabally will take Dallas to the next level so I don't see it as an overpay, if anything I see it as an under pay but it is still a decent offer when you know Seattle needs to dump some salary. Also Seattle doesn't need three players in return they already have a decent roster


Seattle needs a post to replace Howard (obviously Magbegor or Russell becomes the starter but adding a nice young bench post helps Seattle move on from Langhorne and Tuck's contract) and the pick can be used to fill a whole on the perimeter.

Dallas
Ogunbowale/Harris/Jefferson
Gray/Mabrey
Thorton/pick 7 (Westbrook, Richards)
Sabally/pick 3 (Davis, Mack or Kuier)/Gustafson, Wire or pick 13
Howard/Harrison

you can definitely mix or match smaller and bigger line ups or offensive or defensive line ups (I only kept both Jefferson and Harrison because they have Guaranteed contracts. It would be great to swap out Jefferson for a better 5th post) The starters and bench of Harris, Mabrey, Harrison and the two 1st round draft picks is a strong team that goes 10 deep. You can also do different starters, this Dallas squad has the potential to be a top 3 offense.

Seattle
Bird/Canada
Loyd/Whitcomb
Clark/pick 5 (Onyenwere, Westbrook)
Magbegor/Alarie
Stewart/Russell

last spot (or last two if the trade fees up enough money for two cheaper contracts)
pick 11 the storm can go point guard with Mangakahia, Slocum or Heal, or go post with Boley or Rupert or do a draft and stash and bring over Laksa

Seattle still looks competitive but I might keep Howard and lose Whitcomb and some of the depth for more talent at the top. Magbegor and Russell would really have to step up for Seattle to compete for a championship without Howard.

[Stormeo]

As it was said before, Bonner's trade and Diggins-Smith's trade netted three assets each. Howard's younger, and arguably better than both of them (as evidenced in 2019 when she actually had to be on her A-game), so her trade imo would have to be even more substantial. And if the Storm were shopping Howard, who's to say it'd be because she wanted out? There's just enough of a possibility that the Storm trades her anyway, both to save money and also to further prioritize our overall depth, especially since Mercedes Russell could take Howard's spot in the starting lineup and the Storm might not miss a beat anyway. Unless Howard damn near telegraphs that she wants to switch teams in 2021, adding in that uncertainty would help the Storm's leverage in negotiations.

Here's why I pitched the trade I pitched above. Dallas' most valuable asset not named Ogunbowale or Sabally might just be their 2022 1st-round pick, especially since the Draft's depth has been established and I can't see Dallas finishing higher than 7th even with Howard theoretically on their roster. Too, that pick obviously wouldn't take up a spot on the Storm's roster in 2021. The other two assets would ideally be a cheap vet who is a proven contributor (Thornton, but if Allisha Gray as an RFA wants to come here on a cheap deal, then by all means) and a cheap young player (Alarie, although her trade value is admittedly a bit sus since she had such a tough first year offensively). Thornton & Alarie could simply replace Tuck & Langhorne's two spots, respectively. Trading for a 1st-rounder this year makes very little sense, as the last thing the Storm as a legit contender would want is to add (more) rookies onto the roster – and I'm not personally convinced those international deferral picks will be worth picking in the Top 7 or 8. At least after the current overseas season's over, the 2020 rookies will have that year of professional experience under their belt. It's bad enough we'll probably have to deal with having Kitija Laksa on the roster. (If Dallas or any other team out there wants her, please, have at her)

[Richyyy]

You can't trade a free agent you've cored without their consent. So she'd have to agree to the deal (or agree a contract with the Storm, and then be traded later on).

And for what it's worth, none of these suggested deals beat the option "keep Natasha Howard", unless she actually tells them she wants to go.

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[Stormeo]

[Richyyy]

I don't think you're going to get much at all for Whitcomb, if she goes. All the other teams can do the maths as well (or if they can't, they can read people like Pelton and me doing it for them ). So they're going to be well aware that Seattle basically can't match, if the other big pieces are staying. So why give anything up? So maybe a second-round pick, at most, just to smooth the way (unless something like a Howard trade or Clark leaving opens up space and makes matching a Whitcomb offer sheet more plausible).

(ETA: Apologies for going off on a Storm tangent in the Dallas thread)

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Howard is a great player , but im not seeing her addition making Dallas a contender. She was sleepwalking the first half of the season , and came alive a bit towards the end. Yes i would like her as a Wing , but she's not enough and i wouldn't give up Alarie or #5 for her. KLS , Thornton though hmmmmmmm....

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[PUmatty]

[WNBA 09]

[J-Spoon]

IMO Howard just changes the trajectory of the Wings in a way that none of the Wing's assets being traded in this discussion do. Ogunbowale, Sabally and Howard together is just such a fascinating combo, yes there is some risk (maybe Howard 2020 is the sign of decline as opposed to lockdown affect combined with losing touches to Stewart) but Dallas has more than enough assets to take that risk IMO. Heck if you can add a banger to that combo Dallas becomes a Championship contender.

Lets say it is my trade Alarie and #5 or the 2022 first round pick (Heck I would consider doing all 3 but lets skip that for now, in short I think adding a vet who has two championship, creates a very interesting big 3 with two young stars and has been a top 10 player in 2 of the last three years, makes any trade that Dallas puts up that doesn't include Ogunbowale and Sabally pretty much worth it), but you also are able to poach Ch. Parker from Chicago (Dallas probably has the cap space to do that).

Ogunbowale/Harris/Jefferson
Gray/Mabrey
Sabally/Thorton/pick 7 (Westbrook or Richards)
Howard/pick 3 (Davis. Mack or Kuier)
Ch. Parker/Harrison

That is a possible championship contender. And you still have so much youth that can develop over the next few season, combined with middle age vets that you probably are in the top 4 mix for the next 3 years or so. These swing for the fences moves seem slightly more realistic than Griner or N. Ogwumike. I think Dallas can not do any moves and continue their upward momentum but if you want to aim for established pieces you probably have to be willing to sacrifice a little more and Dallas more than any other team has the right combo of assets, cap space and potential already baked into its core (Ogunbowale, Sabally, Gray,Thorton, Harrison, Alarie, Harris, Mabrey, 3 first round picks in 21) that it is probably worth it.

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