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WNBA 09
Joined: 26 Jun 2009 Posts: 12545 Location: Dallas , Texas
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Posted: 10/06/20 7:34 pm ::: Final Note |
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I’ve been around here long enough to know once the last W game is played we won’t see a lot of posters til next season. The college board is a different world/board so I would just like to say thank you to everyone and I appreciate you all keeping me entertained and up to date with this league on a daily. #RebkellHeart
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myrtle
Joined: 02 May 2008 Posts: 32339
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Posted: 10/06/20 8:15 pm ::: |
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agree.
and a shout out to Shades for his work on the game threads.
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WfanFrJmp
Joined: 24 May 2016 Posts: 1427
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bballgrl
Joined: 15 Sep 2007 Posts: 3629
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Posted: 10/06/20 10:00 pm ::: Re: Final Note |
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WNBA 09 wrote: |
I’ve been around here long enough to know once the last W game is played we won’t see a lot of posters til next season. The college board is a different world/board so I would just like to say thank you to everyone and I appreciate you all keeping me entertained and up to date with this league on a daily. #RebkellHeart |
I like the college board as well as this board. I am a fan of women's bb college board because it is nice who plays well in college and then follow them to the W.
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WNBA 09
Joined: 26 Jun 2009 Posts: 12545 Location: Dallas , Texas
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Posted: 10/06/20 10:12 pm ::: Re: Final Note |
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bballgrl wrote: |
WNBA 09 wrote: |
I’ve been around here long enough to know once the last W game is played we won’t see a lot of posters til next season. The college board is a different world/board so I would just like to say thank you to everyone and I appreciate you all keeping me entertained and up to date with this league on a daily. #RebkellHeart |
I like the college board as well as this board. I am a fan of women's bb college board because it is nice who plays well in college and then follow them to the W. |
Agreed , but majority posters here don’t carry over to the college board once the season starts. It’s more of a “Play nice, they’re kids” vibe over there .
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WfanFrJmp
Joined: 24 May 2016 Posts: 1427
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Posted: 10/07/20 8:30 am ::: |
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Soooo, I have a question:
Dan (Klop) and Thibault had been coaches of somewhat mediocre teams prior to their championship runs. (Thibault's Sun teams were like watching paint dry and Dan's Starz well....) So what changed and how is it that their teams (when in tact) are characterized by great defense, excellent ball movement, bench depth and people who can hit open shots!
Did the coaches get better over time? Did they find players that fit their coaching style/ system? Did they change their system? Did they just get generational talents and/or the right personnel? Did they get their teams to buy-in and play for each other? What has made them successful these last few years?
This is something that I've wondered and would love to get someone's take on this.
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PUmatty
Joined: 10 Nov 2004 Posts: 16365 Location: Chicago
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Posted: 10/07/20 9:31 am ::: |
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WfanFrJmp wrote: |
Soooo, I have a question:
Dan (Klop) and Thibault had been coaches of somewhat mediocre teams prior to their championship runs. (Thibault's Sun teams were like watching paint dry and Dan's Starz well....) So what changed and how is it that their teams (when in tact) are characterized by great defense, excellent ball movement, bench depth and people who can hit open shots!
Did the coaches get better over time? Did they find players that fit their coaching style/ system? Did they change their system? Did they just get generational talents and/or the right personnel? Did they get their teams to buy-in and play for each other? What has made them successful these last few years?
This is something that I've wondered and would love to get someone's take on this. |
It's about the players.
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tfan
Joined: 31 May 2010 Posts: 9663
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Posted: 10/07/20 10:46 am ::: |
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WfanFrJmp wrote: |
Soooo, I have a question:
Dan (Klop) and Thibault had been coaches of somewhat mediocre teams prior to their championship runs. (Thibault's Sun teams were like watching paint dry and Dan's Starz well....) So what changed and how is it that their teams (when in tact) are characterized by great defense, excellent ball movement, bench depth and people who can hit open shots!
Did the coaches get better over time? Did they find players that fit their coaching style/ system? Did they change their system? Did they just get generational talents and/or the right personnel? Did they get their teams to buy-in and play for each other? What has made them successful these last few years?
This is something that I've wondered and would love to get someone's take on this. |
When Gary Kloppenberg was interviewed during the game I thought about his two years as head coach of the Tulsa Shock (9-25; 11-23) and to me it is just more evidence that it is the players that matter, not the coach (as long as the coach doesn’t “lose” the players). Then a Dan Hughes video was shown and I had the same thought. He’s had some good years and some bad ones.
Looking at Kloppenberg’s resume, he is now finishing his 21st year in the league. He was an assistant coach for 18 years of that, and even though he changed jobs 6 times to another assistant coaching position (Seattle, Phoenix, Charlotte, Indiana, [Tulsa head coach], Los Angeles, Indiana, Seattle) after his initial hire by Seattle in 2000, he has never been out of the league. Prior to the WNBA he spent 16 years coaching at two community colleges and 1 year coaching a team in Venezuela.
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ClayK
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Posted: 10/07/20 5:06 pm ::: |
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The team with better players almost always wins, but a bad or mediocre coach can screw it up.
Also, something I learned very early in my coaching career: You learn more from losing than from winning. And if you apply what you learned, you'll get better and then when you have talent, you'll have a better idea of how to use it.
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pilight
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Posted: 10/07/20 5:54 pm ::: |
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Coaching matters some, but players matter more.
A competent coach can certainly win games or even championships with a talented roster. Stick the same coach on a roster without top players and they're likely to struggle. That's Brian Agler's career.
A good coach can get a team to overperform. That's good if you've got a competitive team. It's bad when you've got a bad team that needs high draft picks, as the coach will win just enough to keep you on the mediocrity treadmill. That's Dan Hughes' career.
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