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Stormeo
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It's getting messier. Stollings is now preparing to sue Texas Tech over her firing.
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Stollings said there was nothing in the [USA Today] article that was previously unknown to Texas Tech athletic director Kirby Hocutt. He told USA Today for its story that the school had taken "appropriate steps to improve the relationship and communication between coaches and student-athletes" and indicated Stollings would stay in her position.
Stollings said Hocutt continued to assure her of that even after the article's publication on Aug. 5, and added that she was shocked when he did an about-face a few hours later. He then met with the Texas Tech players that day and the next, before firing Stollings. Hocutt said on a videoconference call Aug. 7 that the school had failed the players and "we're going to get this right." |
Quite a bit of stuff in this new article overall.
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FrozenLVFan
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| Posted: 09/03/20 6:07 pm ::: |
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It's getting messier. Stollings is now preparing to sue Texas Tech over her firing.
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Stollings said there was nothing in the [USA Today] article that was previously unknown to Texas Tech athletic director Kirby Hocutt. He told USA Today for its story that the school had taken "appropriate steps to improve the relationship and communication between coaches and student-athletes" and indicated Stollings would stay in her position.
Stollings said Hocutt continued to assure her of that even after the article's publication on Aug. 5, and added that she was shocked when he did an about-face a few hours later. He then met with the Texas Tech players that day and the next, before firing Stollings. Hocutt said on a videoconference call Aug. 7 that the school had failed the players and "we're going to get this right." |
Quite a bit of stuff in this new article overall. |
It doesn't sound as clear-cut as the original article made it out to be.
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OutdoorsKid
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| Posted: 09/03/20 7:42 pm ::: |
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How does one "clear their name" in a situation like this? Get every student to walk back their comments and apologize in public, with members of the press present? Won't ever happen.
Flawed evaluation processes can be reason enough to file suit if you can show harm (looks like can here - $$$), and should be fixed to the extent that they exist. But even if the process that the AD used to fire her was flawed, it does not necessarily clear Stollings or any members of her staff of any alleged wrong-doing.
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Carol Anne
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| Posted: 09/05/20 6:29 pm ::: |
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The toxic culture didn't start in Lubbock.
"In 2001, Stollings began the first of two seasons as an assistant coach at New Mexico State under Nikita Lowry Dawkins, who was then named Nikita Lowry. Early in 2003, New Mexico State fired Lowry following an internal investigation that found that Lowry was physically and verbally abusive towards players." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlene_Stollings#cite_note-toxic_culture-6
Stollings hired Lowry Dawkins as an assistant at Texas Tech.
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OutdoorsKid
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| Posted: 09/07/20 5:57 pm ::: |
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The toxic culture didn't start in Lubbock.
"In 2001, Stollings began the first of two seasons as an assistant coach at New Mexico State under Nikita Lowry Dawkins, who was then named Nikita Lowry. Early in 2003, New Mexico State fired Lowry following an internal investigation that found that Lowry was physically and verbally abusive towards players." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlene_Stollings#cite_note-toxic_culture-6
Stollings hired Lowry Dawkins as an assistant at Texas Tech. |
Yes. However, as far as I know, the investigation at NMSU was about Dawkins, and did not target Stollings. In fact, Stollings was named interim HC at UNM, while the investigation to Dawkins was happening.
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Hoopsmom
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| Posted: 09/08/20 1:02 pm ::: |
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The toxic culture didn't start in Lubbock.
"In 2001, Stollings began the first of two seasons as an assistant coach at New Mexico State under Nikita Lowry Dawkins, who was then named Nikita Lowry. Early in 2003, New Mexico State fired Lowry following an internal investigation that found that Lowry was physically and verbally abusive towards players." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marlene_Stollings#cite_note-toxic_culture-6
Stollings hired Lowry Dawkins as an assistant at Texas Tech. |
Yes. However, as far as I know, the investigation at UNM was about Dawkins, and did not target Stollings. In fact, Stollings was named interim HC at UNM, while the investigation to Dawkins was happening. |
Actually at NMSU, not UNM.
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OutdoorsKid
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| Posted: 09/08/20 8:54 pm ::: |
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| Yes. I've now corrected the post, but the correction did not carry through in the quote. It was NMSU, not UNM.
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| Posted: 09/22/20 8:44 pm ::: |
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And now the softball coach is gone.
Seems like there needs to be some serious housecleaning going on there. Starting with the administration.
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| Six weeks after a USA TODAY Sports investigation led to the firing of Texas Tech’s women’s basketball coach amid allegations of player abuse, the school’s softball coach resigned Tuesday night amid similar circumstances. |
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/softball/2020/09/22/texas-tech-softball-coach-resigns-after-review-program/3497923001/
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| The review, initiated by Texas Tech’s athletic department, noted that three baptisms took place within the team facilities. |
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But professor Vaughn James of the Texas Tech School of Law said public universities associated with such baptisms “have violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.’’
He cited the 1979 court case Malnak v. Yogi in which an elective high school Transcendental Meditation class was deemed unconstitutional after Transcendental Meditation was defined as a “religion.”
“As the court said, ‘There is nothing … unconstitutional about offering (an objective) course in religion or religious writings,’ ” James, an ordained minister, said by email. “However, when public institutions engage in activities that propagate religion, they have crossed the line.’’ |
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2020/10/01/baptisms-uncovered-review-texas-tech-softball-program/5877520002/
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“Thank you for showing the fellas that you've got more balls than them,” Haley said, to cheers from the crowd.
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PUmatty
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| Posted: 10/01/20 9:48 am ::: |
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| The review, initiated by Texas Tech’s athletic department, noted that three baptisms took place within the team facilities. |
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But professor Vaughn James of the Texas Tech School of Law said public universities associated with such baptisms “have violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.’’
He cited the 1979 court case Malnak v. Yogi in which an elective high school Transcendental Meditation class was deemed unconstitutional after Transcendental Meditation was defined as a “religion.”
“As the court said, ‘There is nothing … unconstitutional about offering (an objective) course in religion or religious writings,’ ” James, an ordained minister, said by email. “However, when public institutions engage in activities that propagate religion, they have crossed the line.’’ |
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2020/10/01/baptisms-uncovered-review-texas-tech-softball-program/5877520002/ |
Why am I not surprised that "voluntary" religious activities went hand-in-hand with abuse and racism?
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Carol Anne
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| Posted: 10/04/20 12:28 pm ::: |
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| The review, initiated by Texas Tech’s athletic department, noted that three baptisms took place within the team facilities. |
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But professor Vaughn James of the Texas Tech School of Law said public universities associated with such baptisms “have violated the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment.’’
He cited the 1979 court case Malnak v. Yogi in which an elective high school Transcendental Meditation class was deemed unconstitutional after Transcendental Meditation was defined as a “religion.”
“As the court said, ‘There is nothing … unconstitutional about offering (an objective) course in religion or religious writings,’ ” James, an ordained minister, said by email. “However, when public institutions engage in activities that propagate religion, they have crossed the line.’’ |
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/2020/10/01/baptisms-uncovered-review-texas-tech-softball-program/5877520002/ |
Why am I not surprised that "voluntary" religious activities went hand-in-hand with abuse and racism? |
And I know it's not WBB, but my goodness, if this is what they got her on, what about Dabo Swinney at Clemson, who IMNSHO is a far bigger offender? Oh, because he's a guy, it's football, and they're winning. I guess.
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There were also concerns about Gregory's practice of issuing performance contracts related to players' weight loss and overall conditioning.
'Late in the review process it was learned that two student-athletes were subject to performance contracts in March 2018 which were specifically aimed at weight loss with a goal of losing one pound per week,' read the report.
'If the goal was not met, an extra 30 minutes of conditioning each morning, while wearing a heart rate monitor, would be required in the designated week. Of that 30 minutes, 20 minutes were to be at 80% of maximum heart rate or higher while 10 minutes could be 70 to 80% range of maximum heart rate.
'The events surrounding this contract are unclear to the review team, but were quite concerning. One student-athlete reported she was sent a text by the head coach to meet and at the meeting she was "blindsided and forced" to sign the contract, and failing to do so would lead to her no longer being on the team.' |
Is a contract for weight loss and other conditioning goals egregious if the goals are realistic? Aren't most players in all sports told they should get their weight down/up, lift more in the weight room, jump higher, swim/run faster, or move their feet quicker by coaches, trainers, and dieticians?
Or, OMG, is it the use of a heart rate monitor that's the problem? HR monitors are widely used in performance sports and rehab settings. My 20 year old exercise bike has one. Or is the concept of weight loss deemed body shaming and now socially unacceptable? I'm sure we can all think of players that have benefited or would benefit by losing some weight.
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GEF34
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| Posted: 10/04/20 3:48 pm ::: |
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There were also concerns about Gregory's practice of issuing performance contracts related to players' weight loss and overall conditioning.
'Late in the review process it was learned that two student-athletes were subject to performance contracts in March 2018 which were specifically aimed at weight loss with a goal of losing one pound per week,' read the report.
'If the goal was not met, an extra 30 minutes of conditioning each morning, while wearing a heart rate monitor, would be required in the designated week. Of that 30 minutes, 20 minutes were to be at 80% of maximum heart rate or higher while 10 minutes could be 70 to 80% range of maximum heart rate.
'The events surrounding this contract are unclear to the review team, but were quite concerning. One student-athlete reported she was sent a text by the head coach to meet and at the meeting she was "blindsided and forced" to sign the contract, and failing to do so would lead to her no longer being on the team.' |
Is a contract for weight loss and other conditioning goals egregious if the goals are realistic? Aren't most players in all sports told they should get their weight down/up, lift more in the weight room, jump higher, swim/run faster, or move their feet quicker by coaches, trainers, and dieticians?
Or, OMG, is it the use of a heart rate monitor that's the problem? HR monitors are widely used in performance sports and rehab settings. My 20 year old exercise bike has one. Or is the concept of weight loss deemed body shaming and now socially unacceptable? I'm sure we can all think of players that have benefited or would benefit by losing some weight. |
If these are done without consulting the medical staff and strength and conditioning staff it is an issue, especially if it’s unhealthy physically and/or mentally to place such standards on a given player.
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| Posted: 10/09/20 5:43 pm ::: |
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It kinda seems like there's a major double standard going on between men's and women's sports here, including MBB and WBB. Remember a few years back when Jody Adams was fired from Wichita State for allegedly mistreating players? At least she didn't punch them. But take a gander at this:
https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/wichita-state-misconduct-inquiry-coach-gregg-marshall-73523217
And they're just NOW getting around to investigating him?
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Always different rules for men and women. 😒😞😢🤯😠
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