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PostPosted: 06/29/20 10:48 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Need to take profiteering out of the US healthcare system.

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Here is AOC about a year ago tearing down the current healthcare system in front of this same CEO.
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Florida had more cases yesterday than all of Europe.



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PostPosted: 06/29/20 3:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Florida had more cases yesterday than all of Europe.


Including a sister-in-law and nephew. Well, actually not confirmed by testing. But they got it. Nephew was at a gathering at a friend’s house and the entire family is sick and tested positive. He’s better now but the sister-in-law is 66 And last I heard it seems to be hitting her pretty hard. And you have to wonder how many others have it who don’t get the tested. The estimate I heard yesterday is 20x the confirmed cases. That sounds about right.



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PostPosted: 06/29/20 6:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb comes on CNBC every day and talks about the virus. Today he mentioned that theory that 10 to x (40?) times as many people have been infected as have tested positive. He felt that 50% of Americans would have had the virus by the end of the year. If true, that would be a real testament to Americans not following recommended actions. But it would also put us pretty close to herd immunity if those people have at least a short term immunity. But then we could again allow anyone to fly in from anywhere with no testing or quarantines.


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CDC says U.S. has 'way too much virus' to control pandemic as cases surge across country
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/06/29/cdc-says-us-has-way-too-much-virus-to-control-pandemic-as-cases-surge-across-country.html

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"We're not in the situation of New Zealand or Singapore or Korea where a new case is rapidly identified and all the contacts are traced and people are isolated who are sick and people who are exposed are quarantined and they can keep things under control," she said in an interview with The Journal of the American Medical Association's Dr. Howard Bauchner. "We have way too much virus across the country for that right now, so it's very discouraging."



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CDC says U.S. has 'way too much virus' to control pandemic as cases surge across country
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/06/29/cdc-says-us-has-way-too-much-virus-to-control-pandemic-as-cases-surge-across-country.html

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"We're not in the situation of New Zealand or Singapore or Korea where a new case is rapidly identified and all the contacts are traced and people are isolated who are sick and people who are exposed are quarantined and they can keep things under control," she said in an interview with The Journal of the American Medical Association's Dr. Howard Bauchner. "We have way too much virus across the country for that right now, so it's very discouraging."


As everyone not with their heads in the sand by now know, the federal government dropped that ball waaay back in February and March, when they chose not to take the spread seriously, and chose not to mobilize at a national level manufacturing of tests, and administering of tests in a wide path across early areas of confirmed infection, like how South Korea and Singapore did.

This was a total political failing by the Trump Administration: even if claims were correct that the Obama Admin. left the federal PPE stockpile depleted after the SARS outbreak, replenishing those depleted supplies would have been seen as a positive effort on Trump's part, even IF the COVID-19 pandemic was "a hoax".

If it wasn't a hoax - as well know now - this would have been an easy and verifiable political boon for Trump for 2020, even if it didn't help much in the spread of the COVID-19. He could have been a mini-national hero, as he saw the early need to restore the stockpile and have a ready initial provision for state medical systems to rely on until they got their own supplies ramped up. How that could have been used against Trump as a negative in the 2020 campaign, I have no clue.

But Trump never acted. So too, the effort to mass-manufacture the test kits, to open federal blockades of the FDA to other labs and companies in the United States capable of making the tests once the CDC established the engineering. The millions we're actually manufacturing now, we could have been making those numbers back in March. The tracking and spread containment could have been done.

Would it have totally prevented the economic shutdown? No, but it would have minimized it to hot-spot areas, while other areas in certain states could have remained opened and contained.

And the containment could have been sufficient enough, so that when the time came to re-open, there would not have been this totally un-answered question that we're now getting an answer to: will the virus spread start back up again as a 2nd wave, and stall the re-opening again?

But all this required a federal administration that had a degree of PROaction, instead of REaction. All Trump has been, is REaction, and even that reaction was begrudgingly and haltingly, only at the last resort when most precautionary chances of mitigation was vaporized away.

Totally the opposite of leadership. Thing was, if Trump was TRULY a "stable genius" who understood the "art of the deal", he would have seen this ahead of time as it crept into the U.S. in February. Surely his staff of advisors could have seen it. It should be totally the positive campaign platform his re-election attempts would be riding into 2021, along with what degree of healthy economy his efforts salvaged.

Instead, all he has from it now, is hesitancy and accusations of standing by on the sidelines while hundreds of thousands of citizens died, and the majority of efforts being attempted by state leaders instead. And so it looks like his his chances at re-election will be one long laborious uphill struggle...



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PostPosted: 07/01/20 4:18 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I can agree with pretty much all of that. The thing is that I think we also have to really come to terms with the fact that on many levels and in many ways we are kind of a fucked up country when it comes to being positioned to deal with certain things. This, quite obviously, was one such thing. With China and India each having over a billion people, it’s easy to forget that the US is the third most populous country on earth. It’s a very large country geographically. States are very important things in this county and we have a shitload of them. Our regional cultures vary greatly. We’re politically divided like we’ve never been before around party, race, tribe, class, religion and traditions. Financially we have so many people now as a rule living from paycheck to paycheck. Communities that used to be the thing that held America together have been decimated. I have a really hard time imagining American doing what other much smaller, much less divided countries were able to do. I don’t know how the United States ever does anything big again.



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PostPosted: 07/01/20 11:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Trump failed badly on the virus. And continues to fail, holding rallies where people don't wear masks and sit right next to each other, setting a terrible example (someone finally got him to say masks were good and he would wear one in a crowd, today). But as I have said before, The Resistance also didn't act appropriately and continues to do so. Tremendous focus, outrage, time and attention from them on a mythical Russian connection, and on the Ukraine pressure to investigate the Biden’s. Global pandemic response - not so much. Imagine if there had been as much outrage recently over states "re-opening" without meeting the CDC guidelines (14 days of declining daily cases, etc.) and without the country ever getting below 20K per-day 7-day daily average new cases, as with the Trump campaign allegedly having ties to Russia. Although, the bigger issue to decry and report and investigate is probably that we couldn’t get a good decline “closed”. Europe went up and came down. We went up, came down a little and plateaued. We do have some states whose case graph looks like Europe (way up and then way down), notably the hardest hit New York and New Jersey.


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PostPosted: 07/06/20 5:41 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

'We need to live with it': White House readies new message for the nation on coronavirus
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1232884

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After several months of mixed messages on the coronavirus pandemic, the White House is settling on a new one: Learn to live with it.


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At the crux of the message, officials said, is a recognition by the White House that the virus is not going away any time soon — and will be around through the November election.



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McConnell's Wife's Family Business Appears on Trump Admin's List of Companies That Received Most PPP Money
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A shipping business started by Department of Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao's family received at least $350,000 in loans set aside for companies struggling as a result of the coronavirus pandemic, according to data published Monday by the U.S. Small Business Administration.


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Chao's relationship with the company has in the past been the subject of an ethics investigation launched by the House of Representatives after Chao assumed her role within the Trump administration in early 2017. Chao, who is married to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, has also received criticism for possessing stocks after she said she would sell them before stepping up to lead the Department of Transportation.

According to a report by CNBC, several other companies with connections to politicians also received PPP loan amounts greater than the $100,000 average the SBA cited in its news release, including a school in New Jersey named after Trump's son-in-law and political organizations with Democratic and Republican ties.



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....But as I have said before, The Resistance also didn't act appropriately and continues to do so. Tremendous focus, outrage, time and attention from them on a mythical Russian connection....


Well, I'm back to perusing Area 51. And time away has offered no further insight as to why you might (continue to) offer such silliness as a valid rationale, pretending it's an equivalently egregious behavior that somehow mitigates Trump's horrifically ego-driven mishandling of the coronavirus. Never mind your definition of "mythical". Rolling Eyes

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McConnell's Wife's Family Business Appears on Trump Admin's List of Companies That Received Most PPP Money
https://www.newsweek.com/mcconnells-wifes-family-business-appears-trump-admins-list-companies-that-received-most-ppp-1515788

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A shipping business started by Department of Transportation Secretary Elaine Chao's family received at least $350,000 in loans set aside for companies struggling as a result of the coronavirus pandemic, according to data published Monday by the U.S. Small Business Administration.


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Chao's relationship with the company has in the past been the subject of an ethics investigation launched by the House of Representatives after Chao assumed her role within the Trump administration in early 2017. Chao, who is married to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, has also received criticism for possessing stocks after she said she would sell them before stepping up to lead the Department of Transportation.

According to a report by CNBC, several other companies with connections to politicians also received PPP loan amounts greater than the $100,000 average the SBA cited in its news release, including a school in New Jersey named after Trump's son-in-law and political organizations with Democratic and Republican ties.


Hey!! If you didn't *write* this, it's not allowed....right!?? Razz Laughing



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Trump Associates and Members of His Administration Received Millions in Loans From Coronavirus Bailout

https://time.com/5863616/trump-ppp-bailout-loans/

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Loan recipients included a law firm run by one of Trump’s key defenders in the Russia probe, a Kushner family real estate project and the publisher of the National Enquirer.



Trump-connected lobbyists reap windfall in federal virus aid

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Forty lobbyists with ties to President Donald Trump helped clients secure more than $10 billion in federal coronavirus aid, among them five former administration officials whose work potentially violates Trump’s own ethics policy



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A Lower Covid-19 Death Rate Is Nothing to Celebrate

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-07-07/a-lower-covid-19-death-rate-is-nothing-to-celebrate

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The recent spike in U.S. Covid-19 infections has mercifully been accompanied by a declining death count.


The headline for this article is awful, and not at all representative of what the article says



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A Lower Covid-19 Death Rate Is Nothing to Celebrate

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-07-07/a-lower-covid-19-death-rate-is-nothing-to-celebrate

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The recent spike in U.S. Covid-19 infections has mercifully been accompanied by a declining death count.


The headline for this article is awful, and not at all representative of what the article says

Doesn't the article basically spell out why we shouldn't react to a decreasing "death rate" with rushing to re-open and ignoring social distancing (ie: with celebration)?

Reading the article it seems the author is saying that a decreased death rate is what we should expect as we test more people (which is true if we are talking about the case fatality rates rather than infection fatality rates as the later is always lower than the former and the more you test less critical or even asymptomatic cases the closer you move that first number towards the second), and that because of the slow progression of the disease into the potentially critical stages, the numbers we are seeing today are not indicative of where we actually are.

I would say the headline sums up the author's point pretty well...



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The headline makes it sound as if he's saying a lower death rate isn't a good thing, which is obviously not true and not what the article is saying.



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The headline makes it sound as if he's saying a lower death rate isn't a good thing, which is obviously not true and not what the article is saying.

Ehh. The article clarifies pretty well what is meant by "celebrate" (opening up, allowing infections to skyrocket).

It says repeatedly that while it's nice the death rate is dropping, and nice that we are coming up with some treatments that can help people *not die*, we still have to see what that rate will look like weeks down the road, and just getting the infection looks like it can come with some serious long term consequences.

Thus he concludes with: "Covid patients probably have a better chance of survival now than they did in March. They’ll almost certainly have even better odds a few months hence. But that’s no reason to allow infections to keep soaring."



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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/business/sweden-economy-coronavirus.html

Sweden Has Become the World’s Cautionary Tale
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LONDON — Ever since the coronavirus emerged in Europe, Sweden has captured international attention by conducting an unorthodox, open-air experiment. It has allowed the world to examine what happens in a pandemic when a government allows life to carry on largely unhindered.
This is what has happened: Not only have thousands more people died than in neighboring countries that imposed lockdowns, but Sweden’s economy has fared little better.
“They literally gained nothing,” said Jacob F. Kirkegaard, a senior fellow at the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington. “It’s a self-inflicted wound, and they have no economic gains.”
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....But as I have said before, The Resistance also didn't act appropriately and continues to do so. Tremendous focus, outrage, time and attention from them on a mythical Russian connection....


Well, I'm back to perusing Area 51. And time away has offered no further insight as to why you might (continue to) offer such silliness as a valid rationale, pretending it's an equivalently egregious behavior that somehow mitigates Trump's horrifically ego-driven mishandling of the coronavirus.


I concede that Trump as president has more power than national members (a lot of actions are local) of The Resistance in fighting the virus . But he actually has less opportunity to be vocal about it. And with regard to sounding the alarm back in the critical time of late January (Wuhan, a city larger than New York City, was reported as being under lockdown on 1/23/2020 by CNN, etc.) , February and early March, both Trump and Co. and The Resistance had an equivalent warning and call to action - zilch. Nancy Messonier of the CDC did sound a mini alarm about the virus at a February 26th press conference, but Trump wanted to fire her for doing so and she was moved out of the picture shortly after that. But The Resistance didn’t pick up on that and devote a few nights or a few weeks of programming to it like they had done for matters Russia and Ukraine.

CNN is now hitting Trump about his virus actions, but it is frustratingly late and without the same rigor that they go after him on foreign policy.

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The Democrats and Democrat pundits stopped talking about collusion and started talking about obstruction of justice the day the Meuller report came out. I am just following them with regard to collusion.


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The Democrats and Democrat pundits stopped talking about collusion and started talking about obstruction of justice the day the Meuller report came out. I am just following them with regard to collusion.


Ahhh, yes. But: what the Resistance/Media/etc. "stopped talking" about isn't any less real, or mythological, despite their lack of focus. Russian connections abound.

This brings up a critical UNDER-rated concept: The Media (of any sort) is very flawed in their continuously following the Next Hot Story that will sell (they ARE a business....). How beneficial it might have been if ANY of them had given Nancy Messonier some significant headline time and space. But the media is as fickle as the people they feed.

I found this set of guidelines online. Might be excellent pointers for the media:
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Daughter of MLK and Coretta Scott King posted this advice as the next 6 months are going to get “real”:
1. Don't use his name; EVER (45 will do);
2. Remember this is a regime and he's not acting alone;
3. Do not argue with those who support him--it doesn't work;
4. Focus on his POLICIES, not his orange-ness and his mental state;
5. Keep your message positive (they want the country to be angry and
fearful because this is the soil from which their darkest policies will
grow);
6. No more helpless/hopeless talk;
7. Support artists and the arts;
8. Be careful not to spread fake news. Check it;
9. Take care of yourselves; and
10. Resist!

When you post or talk about him, don't assign his actions to him, assign them to "The Republican Administration," or "The Republicans." This will have several effects: the Republican legislators will either have to take responsibility for their association with him or stand up for what some of them don't like; he will not get the focus of attention he craves.

These ideas, in combination with focusing on the Real News, might go a long way in righting the ship.



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