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[Bob Lamm]

[ClayK]

That's all ... it's a general interest magazine and I'd done another piece on Sabrina for them last year. (My wife said the same thing -- but a word count is a word count.)

Thanks ...

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[Lib Fan]

There is a wonderful Australian - New Zealand comedy-drama series
"800 Words" It ran from 2015-2018...I streamed it on Acorn TV

Bluedevilactecfan, I sent you a PM please look for it

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Lets Go Liberty
Brooklyn 2021
Bring Back Maddie!

[tfan]

New York only has two "starters" on their squad [Durr, Nurse] - if starter is defined as a player who has started a majority of their games in the league. But Nurse was voted an all-star starter and Ionescu could hit the high side of expectations. The owner would likely be OK with them being in the lottery some amount of years, but it seems that there is a threshold of wins each year that a team has to clear to avoid the coach getting the boot.

[Bob Lamm]

[Lib Fan]

This is anything but what a normal year is,
if it even takes place

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Lets Go Liberty
Brooklyn 2021
Bring Back Maddie!

[root_thing]

The Liberty have already been horrible for two seasons. I don't think the fans will accept more than an additional two years in the lottery, bringing the total to 4 in a row. I have low expectations this season, but I honestly believe some level of respectability should be achievable next year -- maybe a .500 record? Remember, this isn't like the men's leagues with 30 or more teams. Things can turn around much more quickly because of the concentration of talent. We got lucky with Nurse in 2018. Subsequently, if you add 3 lottery picks in a row and maybe a key free agent, that should put you in a good position. NY also has all these other young players floating around. The whole rationale for hiring Hopkins is that he's supposed to be superior at player development. If we discern advances in performance from a number of individuals, then team record becomes less important. However, under normal circumstances, improved individual play also leads to team success. That's why I'm cautiously optimistic about next season. Only if the young players fail to develop AND if his small ball experiment stumbles badly will Hopkins find himself in trouble.

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[Bob Lamm]

[toad455]

We already have our 15 players for 2021 camps. Don't re-sign Stokes and our lotto pick can take her slot(Mack, Davis or Collier if she enters early). I also think Allen's days in a Liberty uniform may be over. Plus she (& Talbot) may skip 2021 due to the Olympics. Maybe we get a veteran FA as well.

PG: Ionescu/Clarendon
SG: Durr/Johannes/Jones
SF: Nurse/Willoughby/Talbot?
PF: Walker/Holmes/Shook/Odom
C: Zahui B/Han/lotto pick

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[Bob Lamm]

[root_thing]

Don’t forget, if the foreign leagues have normal seasons (definitely not a given), then some of the Liberty players will come to training camp late. Teams usually bring in extra players until the regulars arrive because they need the practice bodies. Consequently, rosters end up being a rolling 15, which means the total is more like 20. I would expect all seven rookies to be at training camp next season unless a couple are traded. Six will still be under contract and Holmes can be made a reserve player. There is no risk in bringing them to camp because none of the contracts are guaranteed. I do agree that it’s unlikely all seven sophomores will make the team.

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[Bob Lamm]

[bluedevilaztecfan5]

[Bob Lamm]

[Richyyy]

[ClayK]

[bluedevilaztecfan5]

ClayK, yes I agree that time may come, but perhaps not in our time. I’ve been apart of lots of conversations with people wondering about transgender people (and gender fluid/non binary) participating in various leagues, on all levels. Many are against it, fearing people having an unfair advantage.

At the end of it, my thinking is people won’t change their body and go through gender affirming treatment (hormones and or surgeries) just to play a sport and potentially have an ‘advantage’. This is who they are and most have known as something was different since they were young children, and they deserve to play in the league they belong in.

Richyyy, yeah I don’t go much on Twitter (only this past offseason haha), and I just noticed the change on their Instagram this past week. And I haven’t seen a public ‘announcement’ regarding pronouns so if it hasn’t changed everywhere, I am sure it is a gradual change Layshia will make.

And Bob, I appreciate you and your 73 year old habits trying!

[Luuuc]

[bluedevilaztecfan5]

Luuuc ,I agree, we should really start addressing it now. I just don’t know that the league will anytime soon, as I’ve not heard of many trans female star athletes who could potentially be apart of the league.

As for as advantage goes, I think it depends on so many things.
For example, if a child starts testosterone blockers before hitting puberty, and begins taking estrogen, I believe that advantage would fade early.

Keep in mind the doctor in this article is talking about Post puberty changes:
https://transcare.ucsf.edu/article/information-estrogen-hormone-therapy

[bluedevilaztecfan5]

I totally made two posts because I enjoy my essays, but realize ppl scroll past them sometimes

I was surprised to find this resource given to the NCAA in 2010, it’s an interesting read if you have some time:
https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Transgender_Handbook_2011_Final.pdf

[Randy]

[Richyyy]

Track and field has basically already run into this issue with Caster Semenya and after a lot of legal battles has essentially come up with their own fairly arbitrary rules to try to handle things. The basic problem is that virtually all of our sports (and most of our society, frankly) are based around a binary system. So if someone demonstrably falls somewhere in the middle, how do you let them participate while still keeping it fair for everyone else? Do you come up with special rules? Do you find a way to 'handicap' them somehow to even things out? Do you just say "we're really sorry, but to keep things fair for the 90%+ of other people, you can't play"? Or do you say they can only play in the more 'difficult' category - i.e. if you're measurably above certain thresholds in whatever they decide is applicable, you can only participate in the men's competitions?

It's a minefield, which is why it might be good to get ahead of things, if possible. Of course, if the person were American a league like the WNBA would probably at least get a few years' warning, because the NCAA would probably have to handle it first. And there's every chance that they'd screw it up to such a degree that the WNBA might at least look decent in comparison...

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[Randy]

The WNBA would have a good idea of what not to do.

[bluedevilaztecfan5]

Randy that’s a good question. You’re right, anybody can identify as transgender at any age, and not do anything medically or legally to change their body or name/gender marker and that doesn’t invalidate their gender.
But in this conversation, legally for college I think it would pose a lot of difficulties for them. I can’t claim to know the college athlete process with documentation and rules. But I imagine it would be difficult to be accepted to a women’s team if legally your gender is still what was assigned at birth (male).

That’s something I’m wondering about though....

Say I have a kid who is 9 and finally feels comfortable and shares that she is transgender (assigned male at birth, identifies as female).
So, around age 10/11 my partner and I decide to put her on hormone blockers, and soon after, estrogen (as she desires).

Now I have a pre-teen who will go through ‘puberty’ as a female in all ways. And my partner and I are able to legally change her name, and gender marker before she hits middle school.

Fast forward to high school and she’s legally female, and her name ‘reflects’ this. We have also done the changes to her social security and birth certificate.

She’s competing as a female high school athlete, her friends and family have known her as a girl since that age of 9 and she came out. She has been on testosterone blockers since pre puberty, and also started estrogen soon after.

She gets recruited. Legally she’s been female since we changed that around age 10/11 when she started hormone blockers.

Nobody would have to know she’s transgender right? Because we would in this scenario have been privileged enough to have started the process early for her.
Legally on all documents her name and gender has changed. Her muscle mass has grown (or not grown as much/easily) based on her estrogen levels.

[ClayK]

It's a very complicated issue, no doubt, as Renee Richards proved. She transitioned late in life and was very successful on the women's tennis tour despite relatively advanced age. And there's this quote from the Wikipedia page:

Richards has since expressed ambivalence about her legacy, and came to believe her past as a man provided her with advantages over her competitors, saying "Having lived for the past 30 years, I know if I'd had surgery at the age of 22, and then at 24 went on the tour, no genetic woman in the world would have been able to come close to me. And so I've reconsidered my opinion."[20][21]

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