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jammerbirdi



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PostPosted: 05/15/20 9:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Well, I’m not trying to bring hellfire down on people. I’m trying to take and post what John Szarkowski would dignify as ‘photographs.’ But if I were trying to bust people it would not be hard though because I certainly have the mere snaps to do that.

But nevertheless you can see some of the lax mask wearing in my world here.

https://50lux.com/2020/05/15/pandemic-street-arts-and-leisure/

Like this guy in image number 5. Isn’t this an N95 mask? Heartbreaking story was happening concurrent to when this image was taken and that is a nurse ran into the room of a COVID patient who was coding here in LA with only a surgical mask. Dead 14 days later. A mom. But this rich prick is wearing one she sure could have used on his elbow.



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PostPosted: 05/15/20 10:16 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

jammerbirdi wrote:
Well, I’m not trying to bring hellfire down on people. I’m trying to take and post what John Szarkowski would dignify as ‘photographs.’ But if I were trying to bust people it would not be hard though because I certainly have the mere snaps to do that.

But nevertheless you can see some of the lax mask wearing in my world here.

https://50lux.com/2020/05/15/pandemic-street-arts-and-leisure/

Like this guy in image number 5. Isn’t this an N95 mask? Heartbreaking story was happening concurrent to when this image was taken and that is a nurse ran into the room of a COVID patient who was coding here in LA with only a surgical mask. Dead 14 days later. A mom. But this rich prick is wearing one she sure could have used on his elbow.


Just to add to your irritation, allow me to point out that the mask in question is a valved mask, which is either for industrial use or some knockoff, because it's not standard for healthcare N95's to have valves.. Those valves are one-way, close when the wearer inhales to protect him from particles in the air, then open during exhalation, allowing anything contained in his exhaled breath directly into the air around him. This is exactly the opposite of what the public wearing of masks is supposed to accomplish in our current situation. So I'd submit that having it somewhere besides on his face is fine by me. It's not protecting anyone else either way, and maybe we can get lucky and he'll be eliminated from the gene pool.

All kidding aside, from those photos, it's easy to see that the vast majority of our population has no idea why, when, and how they're supposed to wear a mask. When was the last time anyone saw a PSA on that? Never. And none of them know that an N95 has to be specially fitted and tested to be effective, nor how to take it off and store it if they plan to reuse it. And that valved masks are currently banned in a lot of places.


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PostPosted: 05/16/20 1:37 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

New Yorkers seem over it

we have had two beautiful days in a row here and everyone is out.

Streets are busy, last night tons of stoop sitting with wine and kids Prospect park was filled with people walking their dogs, their kids, small picnics, teens getting high, bikers, joggers. All the stores that are open have lines to get in, there were bars doing street service, lines for take out, people getting take out and eating it on the corner, or in their cars, or the park or the stoop.

Most are still trying to social distance but the volume of people out compared to the beginning of April has tripled so you encounter more people and it is harder on sidewalks and in stores to not sometimes pass by people at an arms length. Most are wearing face covering it is technically mandatory in all enclosed public spaces (store, subway, etc.) say 75% (maybe 50% if the person is biking or jogging or a child a decent amount of parents in masks with a child not in one) but there are some say 1 in 3 with face coverings wearing it under the nose or wearing it around the neck and only pulling it up when they go in a store. Clearly anyone who was eating, drinking or smoking outside last night were only wearing their face covering around their neck.

It doesn't feel like there is an active attempt to rebel, or screw over other people, it feels more like people have been doing there best for the past two months and their resolve is crumbling. In NY the death rate has dropped (still 150 yesterday but compared to 500+ for weeks and a high of 800 it doesn't seem as bad), hospitalization are down, all the field hospitals have closed, it kind of feels like people think they either had it or aren't going to get it if they haven't got it yet. And the good weather is the last straw in the equation that has pushed people out the doors.

Because of this new attitude (people were really good about it for about 6 weeks, it really was a ghost town) I will be surprised if the city doesn't start phase one of opening back up after the next two week period or set date of review.

Even if this idea turns out to be wrong it does feel as if the city has decided that the worst is over for NY while the rest of the country is on an uptick.

These are just observations not an attempt to argue a point of view one way or the other.


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PostPosted: 05/16/20 2:59 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Amazing, j-spoon. Thank you for that.



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PostPosted: 05/16/20 5:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The same can be said for NJ. Parks have been re-opened for two weeks now and beaches just re-opened this weekend. Capacity limits are in place, but judging by today, most parks looked busy. Beaches didn't look too crowded. Belmar's beach had a line two miles long to purchases beach badges as their website kept crashing. And likely for the first time since NJ went into isolation, there was a good amount of traffic today. On a Saturday. Even with parks hitting capacity(50%), everyone was following the rules. This weekend is/was gorgeous and I'm sure it's gotten to people that they just don't want to be cooped up inside anymore. Even my local Target was slightly crowded the other day. I know a few friends that will be going back to their offices the day after Memorial Day or on June 1. Nobody wants to go back into isolation and it appears as though the majority of people are following the rules. I also live by a mall, and though it is closed, there's been plenty of small-ish parking lot gatherings. It'll be interesting to see if Gov. Murphy goes into the next phase by June 7. I'm thinking so as long as nothing gets our of hand the next few weeks and nobody has a big BBQ over Memorial Day weekend.



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PostPosted: 05/16/20 9:44 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Outdoorsy stuff like hanging out at parks & beaches seems like it's very low risk anyway, so I'm happy to see that stuff opening up in places like NY & NJ. You'd have to be pretty unlucky to get infected from someone else in a park.



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PostPosted: 05/18/20 12:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Originally NY wasn't going to open the beaches

now it looks like they are going to open the beaches but

you won't be able to swim, wtf


The theory behind this is that because most of the beaches Coney Island, Brighton beach, the Rockaways, orchard beach, long beach, jones beach all the way out to Montauk long Island are public, there has to be life guards on duty and NY will save 12 million dollars by not having life guards

and yes they could pay some life guards but the limited amount of guards would limit the areas where people could swim and therefor make it impossible to social distance while swimming even though the beaches themselves are miles long

of course they will now have to pay more parks/guards to patrol the beaches and kick people out of the water if they go in, or actually give out fines or summonses

before corona when the life guards go off duty say at Coney, Brighton or the Rockaway beaches at 6pm, everyone gets out of the water and 10 minutes later everyone goes back in, every 30 minutes or so a guard on a ATV comes by blows the whistle and people get out and after the guard continues down the beach everyone goes back this is after 6pm so how it will work in the middle of the day is beyond me. (I usually go down to Brighton beach because it is a predominantly Russian area, and not to stereotype but all the old Russians are basically like FU to the guards to the point where they don't even patrol that part of the beach).

My guess is that by Mid June they will either give in and put life guards on the beaches or give up and close the beaches all together.


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PostPosted: 05/18/20 2:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The original issue with NYC closing their beaches was that people would then drive into NJ for their beaches. I'm glad they will be open now. NJ beaches have lifeguards while swimming and sunbathing is allowed, so I'm sure there will still be New Yorkers traveling over to use NJ beaches.



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PostPosted: 05/21/20 9:40 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Saw an article recently that talked about Omaha, Nebraska and the Spanish Flu. After a period of time with restrictions, the mayor "reopened". But then cases went up to where he might have shut things down, but he felt it would be bad politically to go backwards. I heard someone say that on TV with regard to today. It will be seen as politically harmful to themselves by any politicians considering shutting things back down after reopening. California just recorded a daily record for COVID-19 deaths . They say that other metrics are encouraging, such as hospitalizations down more than 15% (doesn't sound like a significant decline to me) from a peak six weeks ago. LA County is being the most cautious, but one supervisor mentions the economic damage with continued closures:


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“The longer we stay closed in certain sectors, particularly small businesses and restaurants, the odds are that they will not be able to come back,” Supervisor Janice Hahn said. “I feel that we have to get to the point that we learn to live with the virus. We cannot stay locked down forever.”


I just heard on the news that a Bay Area chain of Panera-breadish restaurants that is only open M-F 8 to 6:30 has decided to go out of business. They opened their first place 33 years ago. Nice place that had a Peet's coffee co-located inside of it.


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PostPosted: 05/26/20 4:25 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

tfan wrote:
Virginia is “reopening” today. The federal guideline is that states do that after 14 days of declining cases. Virginia reported their highest daily total of new cases yesterday. If you hit the record while “closed” seems a sure thing they beat that after reopening.


Virginia still hitting new records through the end of May including one on Monday the 25th. Northern Virginia is the worst and was not included in the Phase 1 opening but wants to be included in Phase 2 even though it is not yet in Phase 1, but hopes to be on the 28th.

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Virginia reported 1,483 new cases Monday — which topped the previous high of 1,229 new cases on May 21. The bulk of the new cases were in Northern Virginia, with Fairfax County reporting 493; Prince William County reporting 234; and Loudoun County reporting 226 new cases.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/mayor-bowser-says-dc-is-back-on-track-for-gradual-reopening/2020/05/25/3dda8e2c-9e98-11ea-81bb-c2f70f01034b_story.html


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