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| My understanding is that when they talk about "herd immunity" for a contagious disease it is with regard to the disease dying off after a large percentage (60 to 70%) of people get it - and have immunity for some length of time. If each infected person transmits the disease to 0.x people (less than 1) on average, then a virus eventually dies off. Apparently 60 to 70% of the people having it would get the infection rate below 1 regardless of the behavior of the population. But until the "herd immunity" causes the virus to go away, it doesn't stop people from being infected, but their chances of getting it go down as percentage recovered goes up. |
ok, so if i'm understanding you correctly, and starting from my concern about under-exposure, if you will . . . the more people who've been infected, the less the chance of the virus surviving and infecting me. but if i do get infected, it doesn't necessarily follow that i won't be walloped because i'm such a fresh, virgin victim. that's my takeaway. unless i've got it twisted.
i keep thinking about george carlin joking that he was immune to everything because he grew up swimming in the hudson river. |
Here is an over simplistic way of explaining it that could be totally wrong all concepts and numbers are made up no science here just an attempt at a visual
lets say you have a circle inside the circle are 100 blue dots floating around they all bounce everywhere and sometimes collide.
When a blue dot get infected it turns yellow (so we will start with one yellow dot who flew in from Italy). Any time a yellow dots hits a blue dot it turns that dot yellow. If a yellow dot hits two or three blued dots while it is yellow what you will see at first is a small amount of yellow dots and then a steady increase of yellow dots like an explosion.
After the dot has been yellow for a while (lets say 14 days) it turns green. Nothing happens when a yellow dot hits a green dot or when a green dot hits a blue dot.
Slowly the yellow dots start to turn green. Yellow dots are still hitting blue dots turning them yellow, but as there are more and more green dots the yellow dots are hitting the green dots as often as they are hitting the blue dots now less dots are turning yellow and more dots are turning green so what started as an explosion of yellow has now become an explosion of green. Green dots increase, yellow dots decrease.
Now Green is the most common dot color and yellow dots are going down. The more green dots the less likely a yellow dot hits a blue dot in its random collisions, and since green dots can't turn yellow there are even fewer yellow dots. (Of course there is still a chance a yellow dot will hit a blue dot but those chances decrease as there are fewer yellow dots, and it is more likely that a yellow dot will hit a green dot, rather than a blue dot, and the few new yellow dots are much more likely to hit green dots then blue dots as well).
Eventually when there are enough green dots the chances of a yellow dot hitting a blue dot gets so low that all the yellow dots all turn green and there is a much smaller chance of any new infections. Now most dots are green And a few blue dots get out unscathed.
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Do you know how Matt Taibbi described it? He said the press is HELPING Trump. Playing into his hands. Because the American people can see what they’re doing. Selected and twisting things that the clumsy oaf says and harping on them for days. And it’s turning them off.
Yeah, I’ve been thinking and saying that for years. But that’s Matt Taibbi, author of Inside the Republican Clown Car. Oh I’m sure he’s long fallen out of favor with our side. But he’s not a Republican. Neither am I. You and I both wanted the same person to be elected president in November. Bernie Sanders. Yes, it should concern you that people who are on your side are seeing and saying these things. In the sense that they are really meant as warnings. Not in the sense that they are things you have to stop from being said.
So I’m saying this to you as a person who wants the exact same RESULT from our American political system. We wanted the same kind of socialist for president we’ve wanted probably our entire politically aware lives. We’re wearing the same uniform. On the same side. In the foxhole together. I’m asking you.
Could you please stop haunting every thing I say about Trump?
Please? It feels like you are policing me. it always feels like that with you. It has a chilling effect on my willingness to even come to Rebkells. YOU are doing that. To me. I want what you want as political outcomes. On Rebkells, however, I want to express my thoughts from every angle. I want to use every ounce of the nuance I have left until the gray curtain starts to descend on my awareness. I like doing that here. I always have. You’re making me uncomfortable.
How did we get here already in this thread? Is it because I dared to say that Trump is smarter than what it is permissible by you to be said? You couldn’t hear that? Forgive me. Please. It wasn’t meant as a compliment. You called him cunning. Okay. Replace my word smart with cunning. That’s what I meant anyway.  |
I just read the above. Wow. I'm not being dismissive here, but I feel you're overreacting to a simple difference of opinion. I'm sorry my disagreement makes you uncomfortable and that you think I'm "policing" you- I'm not. Yours is just another post here. I reserve the right to disagree and I don't feel I've pushed the bounds of decorum, much less broken any site rules. I hope you understand.
Do you react as strongly when we agree?
Trump has gotten a major pass from the press. 3+ years and 10,000+ blatant lies in and he has yet to be called a pathological liar. His every word is presented as if it's factually worthy. His mental and physical condition is never questioned. The guy is literally a sociopath. The press treats him with kid gloves, and just because he reacts as if he's been asked a "mean question" (christ, the guy is SUCH A FUCKING PUSSY) doesn't mean he has been.
He's a piece of shit that needs to be removed from office ASAP, along with the rest of the #ToxicGOP.
But yeah, he's a pretty sharp, devious, grifting POS.
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| My understanding is that when they talk about "herd immunity" for a contagious disease it is with regard to the disease dying off after a large percentage (60 to 70%) of people get it - and have immunity for some length of time. If each infected person transmits the disease to 0.x people (less than 1) on average, then a virus eventually dies off. Apparently 60 to 70% of the people having it would get the infection rate below 1 regardless of the behavior of the population. But until the "herd immunity" causes the virus to go away, it doesn't stop people from being infected, but their chances of getting it go down as percentage recovered goes up. |
ok, so if i'm understanding you correctly, and starting from my concern about under-exposure, if you will . . . the more people who've been infected, the less the chance of the virus surviving and infecting me. but if i do get infected, it doesn't necessarily follow that i won't be walloped because i'm such a fresh, virgin victim. that's my takeaway. unless i've got it twisted.
i keep thinking about george carlin joking that he was immune to everything because he grew up swimming in the hudson river. |
Yeah you have the theory right but the problem is surrounding the question of immunity itself. As in do people who have been exposed or even sick once with this have ANY immunity whatsoever from getting it again? And there is now plenty of doubt about that._________________ Every woman who has ever been presented with a career/sex quid pro quo in the entertainment industry should come forward and simply say, “Me, too.” - jammer The New York Times 10/10/17 |
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| My understanding is that when they talk about "herd immunity" for a contagious disease it is with regard to the disease dying off after a large percentage (60 to 70%) of people get it - and have immunity for some length of time. If each infected person transmits the disease to 0.x people (less than 1) on average, then a virus eventually dies off. Apparently 60 to 70% of the people having it would get the infection rate below 1 regardless of the behavior of the population. But until the "herd immunity" causes the virus to go away, it doesn't stop people from being infected, but their chances of getting it go down as percentage recovered goes up. |
ok, so if i'm understanding you correctly, and starting from my concern about under-exposure, if you will . . . the more people who've been infected, the less the chance of the virus surviving and infecting me. but if i do get infected, it doesn't necessarily follow that i won't be walloped because i'm such a fresh, virgin victim. that's my takeaway. unless i've got it twisted.
i keep thinking about george carlin joking that he was immune to everything because he grew up swimming in the hudson river. |
Here is an over simplistic way of explaining it that could be totally wrong all concepts and numbers are made up no science here just an attempt at a visual
lets say you have a circle inside the circle are 100 blue dots floating around they all bounce everywhere and sometimes collide.
When a blue dot get infected it turns yellow (so we will start with one yellow dot who flew in from Italy). Any time a yellow dots hits a blue dot it turns that dot yellow. If a yellow dot hits two or three blued dots while it is yellow what you will see at first is a small amount of yellow dots and then a steady increase of yellow dots like an explosion.
After the dot has been yellow for a while (lets say 14 days) it turns green. Nothing happens when a yellow dot hits a green dot or when a green dot hits a blue dot.
Slowly the yellow dots start to turn green. Yellow dots are still hitting blue dots turning them yellow, but as there are more and more green dots the yellow dots are hitting the green dots as often as they are hitting the blue dots now less dots are turning yellow and more dots are turning green so what started as an explosion of yellow has now become an explosion of green. Green dots increase, yellow dots decrease.
Now Green is the most common dot color and yellow dots are going down. The more green dots the less likely a yellow dot hits a blue dot in its random collisions, and since green dots can't turn yellow there are even fewer yellow dots. (Of course there is still a chance a yellow dot will hit a blue dot but those chances decrease as there are fewer yellow dots, and it is more likely that a yellow dot will hit a green dot, rather than a blue dot, and the few new yellow dots are much more likely to hit green dots then blue dots as well).
Eventually when there are enough green dots the chances of a yellow dot hitting a blue dot gets so low that all the yellow dots all turn green and there is a much smaller chance of any new infections. Now most dots are green And a few blue dots get out unscathed. |
thanks for that visual. still, i'm concerned that having no exposure whatsoever isn't necessarily a good thing because if i do get exposed, i'm like fresh, red meat with a lion staring at me! somehow i think that having a little exposure helps so the resulting infection isn't so severe. of course, that's fully acknowledging that there's no controlling the level of exposure. just things bouncing about in my head.
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| ok, so if i'm understanding you correctly, and starting from my concern about under-exposure, if you will . . . the more people who've been infected, the less the chance of the virus surviving and infecting me. but if i do get infected, it doesn't necessarily follow that i won't be walloped because i'm such a fresh, virgin victim. that's my takeaway. unless i've got it twisted. |
Not quite. The greater the level of herd immunity, the less chance of you encountering and being infected by someone with the virus. However, your response to the virus is dependent on your age, underlying medical issues, care received, etc, unless the virus has mutated to a more virulent subtype in the interim, and that's not a given.
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| My understanding is that when they talk about "herd immunity" for a contagious disease it is with regard to the disease dying off after a large percentage (60 to 70%) of people get it - and have immunity for some length of time. If each infected person transmits the disease to 0.x people (less than 1) on average, then a virus eventually dies off. Apparently 60 to 70% of the people having it would get the infection rate below 1 regardless of the behavior of the population. But until the "herd immunity" causes the virus to go away, it doesn't stop people from being infected, but their chances of getting it go down as percentage recovered goes up. |
ok, so if i'm understanding you correctly, and starting from my concern about under-exposure, if you will . . . the more people who've been infected, the less the chance of the virus surviving and infecting me. but if i do get infected, it doesn't necessarily follow that i won't be walloped because i'm such a fresh, virgin victim. that's my takeaway. unless i've got it twisted.
i keep thinking about george carlin joking that he was immune to everything because he grew up swimming in the hudson river. |
Here is an over simplistic way of explaining it that could be totally wrong all concepts and numbers are made up no science here just an attempt at a visual
lets say you have a circle inside the circle are 100 blue dots floating around they all bounce everywhere and sometimes collide.
When a blue dot get infected it turns yellow (so we will start with one yellow dot who flew in from Italy). Any time a yellow dots hits a blue dot it turns that dot yellow. If a yellow dot hits two or three blued dots while it is yellow what you will see at first is a small amount of yellow dots and then a steady increase of yellow dots like an explosion.
After the dot has been yellow for a while (lets say 14 days) it turns green. Nothing happens when a yellow dot hits a green dot or when a green dot hits a blue dot.
Slowly the yellow dots start to turn green. Yellow dots are still hitting blue dots turning them yellow, but as there are more and more green dots the yellow dots are hitting the green dots as often as they are hitting the blue dots now less dots are turning yellow and more dots are turning green so what started as an explosion of yellow has now become an explosion of green. Green dots increase, yellow dots decrease.
Now Green is the most common dot color and yellow dots are going down. The more green dots the less likely a yellow dot hits a blue dot in its random collisions, and since green dots can't turn yellow there are even fewer yellow dots. (Of course there is still a chance a yellow dot will hit a blue dot but those chances decrease as there are fewer yellow dots, and it is more likely that a yellow dot will hit a green dot, rather than a blue dot, and the few new yellow dots are much more likely to hit green dots then blue dots as well).
Eventually when there are enough green dots the chances of a yellow dot hitting a blue dot gets so low that all the yellow dots all turn green and there is a much smaller chance of any new infections. Now most dots are green And a few blue dots get out unscathed. |
That's a pretty good description of herd immunity, but there are some other twists. It seems that with this virus, those yellow dots can stay yellow for much longer than 2 weeks giving them more opportunity to hit blue dots, and after turning green, they may revert to blue again at some point. And with the interconnectedness of the world today, there will likely be continued inward migrations of new yellow dots. It would be nice if all the yellow dots would agree to wear masks. The only way for blue dots to be completely safe is with an effective vaccine to make them green without becoming yellow.
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....what am i missing?
on the other hand, i'm thinking back to january and just now remembering how damned sick i was. i had a nasty cold, i had headaches, and even when i recovered, i couldn't get rid of my cough. then when i traveled to l.a. in early february, i had a sore throat that didn't feel like any sore throat i'd had before. like i seriously thought i might have throat cancer. it eventually went away after a week and a half. so now i'm thinking maybe i really did get the european version of the virus early on. not like i can just run out and be tested for antibodies, though. |
In the 'Pandemic' thread, I had mentioned 2 different acquaintances of mine that both had severe symptoms, one in November, one in January. Neither of their physicians had 'covid' on their radar at the time. Now, both of their doctors want antibody tests.
Likewise, I believe I heard on the news that Paris has confirmed a case from December. Maybe you actually DID have it already, Sambista....
What blows my mind is that, IFF this is true, doesn't this TOTALLY blow the doors off all the Projected Modeling Science?? It's been 'around' long before it got 'deadly'???
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I’m interested in what permanent changes Rebkellians believe should be made as a result of this pandemic.
I’m glad NYC is preparing to make changes to the subway system because it has been disgusting for a long time. Find a way to keep the homeless out of the transit system and provide them with healthcare (especially mental). Make sure that there is a deep cleaning of every single train and stop several times per week (cost shouldn’t be an option).
Of course, get this Nazi fanatic out of office and reverse a little bit of the damage he has done by slashing the funds of the EPA and environmental programs.
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I would make "be prepared for a global pandemic" a permanent change. But I don't think it will happen. The easiest part would be stockpiling PPE, particularly the N95 masks that really prevent the spread. (Amazingly there are at least two companies that make them inside the USA - one Trump visited in Arizona and that company also has a factory making them in Rhode Island. The other is 3M.) If everyone in the country had 3 of those they could wear each day, that would make "opening back up" pretty harmless. And also manufacturing all PPE in this country, along with the ventilators and drugs (mostly made in China) and vaccines (mostly made in China), but while there is talk about the fact that China is making everything, which the talking heads will euphemistically refer to as the "global supply chain", if things move out of China they won't go to the USA. Vietnam is the next stop, along with other parts of Southeast Asia.
But I think it really requires the ability - and will - to immediately shutdown travel. And be able to quarantine people who must travel. But fore every COVID-19 there is a SARS or MERS that did not become global pandemics. So there would be a fight as to whether a virus warranted a travel shutdown each time.
And local quarantine capabilities are needed if community spread starts. And not self-quarantine as too many violate it. And there should be reserve funds by state or city for that time when everything has to shut down to stop a local outbreak.
But this could lead to permanent changes with regard to the transmission of respiratory diseases. Like the plexiglass barriers staying up at supermarket check stands. And maybe similar things being done at factories and warehouses. And people are going to be much more conscious about washing their hands and using Clorox wipes on their phones and things like that.
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A national stockpile of Made In USA PPE, testing equipt, and respirators, at least.
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Make our meds in America. Our ICU's ran short of meds needed to treat all those patients on ventilators.
Restaff the CDC. (Allow me to point out that this defunding problem lies not just with Trump, but also with the two previous administrations and Congress.)
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I’m interested in what permanent changes Rebkellians believe should be made as a result of this pandemic.
I’m glad NYC is preparing to make changes to the subway system because it has been disgusting for a long time. Find a way to keep the homeless out of the transit system and provide them with healthcare (especially mental). Make sure that there is a deep cleaning of every single train and stop several times per week (cost shouldn’t be an option).
Of course, get this Nazi fanatic out of office and reverse a little bit of the damage he has done by slashing the funds of the EPA and environmental programs.
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yeah, i hope gov. cuomo's assault on the subway system, and his tv appearance on that front line, is a model for other leaders who can start maintaining our systems and infrastructure. we may not have armies of citizens like china, but we can put plenty of people to work, like the (beginnings of the) job corps of the '60s. that subway deep clean should be a permanent thing, as frequently as possible, as it should be for all cities' transportation systems, and tunnels and bridges and sidewalks and roadways and underpasses and bus stops and trashcans and all sorts of things you could add to the list.
i would also come up with some scheme for thinning out dining establishments, by law, and for other easy candidates. stadiums and places built for megacrowds are a tougher nut.
and since we've seen with our own eyes how quickly mother nature responds positively to an easing of air pollution, i'd explore how traffic could be reduced permanently by road space rationing.
but things like this need to be preceeded and sustained by some savvy behavior modification (rewards) because americans won't easily give up their freedoms to do whatever the freak they want.
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As expected, Democrats can't wait to use the Coronavirus to impose Big Brother style restrictions on people. Republicans are equally hyped to implement a Coronavirus amplification of the USA Patriot Act.
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You know, as a person who takes a lot of pictures and knows how very often they are completely and absolutely misleading, in terms of what they seem to be emphatically conveying, mostly due to two factors, time, the hundredths or thousandths of a second that is recorded, along with perspective, vantage point and choices that determine what an image ‘seems’ to be presenting as fact, I’m not seeing anything in that top picture. If it was taken by someone recording an incident of police chasing black people out of a park then I’d have to just take their word for it. We know it’s happening. Police are selectively enforcing social distancing. Which seems like selective punishment. But in the case of trying to stop disease from killing you and your parents and grandparents, I say enforce social distancing. Always and wherever and whatever.
The bottom picture, if taken on the date that you say it is, pilight, that is the picture we need to be talking about. And the unequal enforcement of the laws or restrictions, in this case what some people (okay, a LOT of people) are now obviously thinking of as piddling annoying restrictions like spitting on the sidewalk or something, that we see in the top image are almost, at this point, except when they turn violent, which they do, seem like something of the everyday social issues we’ve struggled with forever in our pre-COVID-19 past.
Because police need to be enforcing all of these restrictions wherever and whenever they find any deviation from them. They are not annoying meaningless enforcement of violations like selling cigarettes without a permit. They are meant to mitigate the spread of a deadly pandemic that still threatens the entire population of the world with death and misery and ruin. So whatever on picture number one.
Picture number two.
This is a problem. On so many levels. How do we even tackle this when it happens as a society? Because if we don’t tackle it, it’s going to continue to occur and the battle to minimize as best we can the death and destruction the pandemic with wreak upon us will be over before it even has begun.
This is a failure of state, local, and federal government. We would need a voice like JFK and a master planner like FDR in the White House. Obviously we don’t have that. But we would need the same on the state and local level. Because this is a failure to communicate and make the case that, just off the top of my head, should anyone venture out and engage in unsafe groupings way less than what you see in that image, they will be immediately ticketed and fined tens of thousands of dollars.
And this gathering, or these gatherings, because this is only the beginning I’m afraid of us seeing scenes like this, should be dealt with by examining the photographs and seeking to identify the people seen in the images, just as would be done in the case of an incident of looting or someone being attacked by a group, and those people should be charged with some new recklessly endangering the public charge with very stiff penalties in the tens of thousands of dollars.
But if you were drawing up a way to, not just allow COVID-19 to spread like wildfire, but to create a situation where people are fighting about something else, age old civil rights issues like unequal treatment under the law, etc. and set people off at a moment of national desperation ANYWAY and create further problems by adding divisions and resentments into the mix of what will also soon be mass deaths and an overwhelmed (and unequal) health care system, soon to deepen economic desperation, hunger, etc. ... if you were writing a script on how to do it all, and taking your word about what the top picture is conveying, you couldn’t do any better than what these two images taken together show.
I would just add one thing and that is this only scratches the surface of what we could talk about in that second picture. There is the fly in the face of what we think of as urban liberal blue state educated young people and who they are, who they REALLY are, versus how we perceive them and their politics. This image blows that up. It also speaks to a disregard for the lives of the weaker and older among us and how much of that in the hearts of some of those people in that picture is cosying up being overly comfortable with the idea of many dying. Because they’re certainly already showing how dismissive they are toward the concern.
I’ll add one last thing. I’ve been seeing straight through these mother fuckers’ bullshit since I was about 12 years old. That’s Manhattan, right? lol._________________ Every woman who has ever been presented with a career/sex quid pro quo in the entertainment industry should come forward and simply say, “Me, too.” - jammer The New York Times 10/10/17 |
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That’s why I said, get the popcorn popping and just hope you live long enough to eat it. Because the show is about to begin._________________ Every woman who has ever been presented with a career/sex quid pro quo in the entertainment industry should come forward and simply say, “Me, too.” - jammer The New York Times 10/10/17 |
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I can't micro-analyze the photos, per se, but I think we all might agree that that there is NOTHING shocking about the concept, even if pilight totally had fabricated the pics (which I doubt).
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If THIS scene had variant players [Think: People of color, in face masks, with guns, storming any state capitol or--heaven forbid--The Capital or White House] demanding more funding for testing and PPE, there's no way to avoid blood, right?? I am with Michelle O....I am NOT proud of my country at this moment in history.
Kudos to the View Girlz....profound perspectives on Lump o' Lard's ww2 take. What a Dip.
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| Shockingly, the cops are only enforcing social distancing rules in the one where black folks congregate... |
I can't micro-analyze the photos, per se, but I think we all might agree that that there is NOTHING shocking about the concept, even if pilight totally had fabricated the pics (which I doubt). |
The pics are from Welcome2TheBronx on Instagram
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But here’s the thing. There’s been a lot of talk over who has the power to reopen America’s economy. Well, it doesn’t belong to the president, nor to the governors. It doesn’t even belong to business owners. No, ultimately, it belongs to me. And to you. It belongs to us, as consumers.
After all, the president and the governors can issue all the orders they want, the owners can remove all the padlocks, but none of it matters if customers are too afraid to walk back through the doors. And I am. I have no idea how many consumers I represent, but I suspect it’s more than a few.
I get that businesses are suffering. But I refuse to eat in a crowded restaurant, sit in a packed movie house or fly on a full flight again until I feel I can do so safely. And I am emphatically not assured by TV carnival barkers, political halfwits and MAGA-hat-wearing geniuses.
No, I need to hear from serious, credible people. I need to know sufficient testing has been conducted and that they feel the virus is no longer a threat. If other people want to die of stupid, I can’t stop them. But if America wants its economy back — this part of its economy, at least — it better do whatever is necessary to persuade Dr. Anthony Fauci it’s time to give the all-clear.
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https://www.idahostatejournal.com/coronavirus/i-will-not-die-of-stupid/article_d1a0aac9-f8be-5e93-9bcf-a2ad0ef34ea0.html
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That’s a good bit there, but the repeated calling of people stupid, or I should say targeting stupid people, placing the blame on stupid people and attaching it to their politics or locations in the country, it’s completely disregarding and letting off the hook the by requisite intelligent and finely educated people we see in this second picture. The kind of people I’m seeing all over Santa Monica not wearing masks.
It’s not just stupid people. It’s very smart people, too. Fit and young people who have looked at the data and calculated their greatly, and I mean, GREATLY reduced risk of dying of COVID-19. Then, they’ve taken that information and are making some kind of moral or amoral accounting of what they have to lose by ignoring unenforced restrictions that are more like guidelines at this point.
Is CBS or the New York Times sticking microphones in front of these people and grilling them as to what they’re doing or why? Or are those news outlets afraid they’re going to be running into their old college pals and exposing them to public scorn?
How smart are those people in the Manhattan pic? On a class level we’re doing unequal enforcement by the online or in print scorning of one class of Americans but not mentioning or scorning the people there in that pic and, they are, and will be, the tip of the iceberg of their type and kind in our major cities.
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I highly doubt that picture from the Christopher street piers is from May 2nd 2020
I have been to the parks in NY a bunch of times these past six weeks, and even Christopher st piers, yes on nice days they are crowded, but they are not that crowded.
People in NY are on edge. People are social distancing way more than that and they're are simply not enough masks in the picture for me to find it believable.
People in NY are scared. If you are walking down the street alone and there is someone walking the other way they will walk into to traffic to avoid you. Mask wearing is at about 75 to 80 percent and I have heard "wear a mask you asshole" yelled at people walking down the street.
I could see a group of 4 or five friends sitting at the piers but it would be a problem if another group of 4 or five people they didn't know came and sat that close to them.
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