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PostPosted: 03/28/20 11:12 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
cthskzfn wrote:
It took 45 years, and a pandemic, but finally, something about Duke I can like.

Laughing


Duke researchers are decontaminating N95 masks so doctors can reuse them to treat coronavirus patients

The team can clean up to 500 masks in one cycle, which takes over four hours. They're working to expand that capacity.



https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/health/n95-respirator-rewear-coronavirus-duke-trnd/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twCNN&utm_content=2020-03-28T10%3A31%3A03


Not exactly a BOOYAH moment for me since I suggested UV light to kill germs on the masks, and they’re using vaporized hydrogen peroxide.

But now Trump is going to look like a stable genius because he wondered why the masks couldn’t be reused. I’m sure he wouldn’t have thought of something like hydrogen peroxide but rather just running through a washing machine.


Trump and genius should never be used in the same sentence unless the sentence is "Trump and genius should never be used in the same sentence." Laughing



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cthskzfn wrote:
It took 45 years, and a pandemic, but finally, something about Duke I can like.

Laughing


Duke researchers are decontaminating N95 masks so doctors can reuse them to treat coronavirus patients

The team can clean up to 500 masks in one cycle, which takes over four hours. They're working to expand that capacity.



https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/health/n95-respirator-rewear-coronavirus-duke-trnd/index.html?utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twCNN&utm_content=2020-03-28T10%3A31%3A03



A surgery resident at Boston Children's came up with a way to adapt patient ventilation masks to reusable PPE. They're not in short supply (yet) but drawbacks are that they all need to be thoroughly cleaned after usage and they don't allow the use of goggles.

https://twitter.com/AndrewMIbrahim/status/1241205458158968835/photo/1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es_iY5WJdmI



The MacGyvers Taking on the Ventilator Shortage
A crowdsourced effort to make more of the life-saving devices, whether from vacuum-cleaner bags, CPAPs, or snorkelling gear.

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The other day, Bruce Fenton, of Portsmouth, New Hampshire, posted a call for volunteers on the Web site Medium. He was leading something called the Ventilator Project—a crowdsourced effort to address the shortage. The project’s two goals, Fenton wrote, were to help existing ventilator manufacturers ramp up production, and to design an open-source plan for a cheap and simple emergency ventilator that hospitals can use. As inspiration, he reminded everyone that the Apollo 13 astronauts created a carbon-dioxide scrubber from spare parts.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/04/06/the-macgyvers-taking-on-the-ventilator-shortage


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PostPosted: 03/28/20 7:06 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Death total doubled in TWO days! From 1,000 to 2,000. Not so great.

GlennMacGrady wrote:
Update 16: Changes in 24 Hours since Last Update

U.S.:
- confirmed cases increased by 18,810 (22%) from 85,653 to 104,463
- deaths increased by 412 from 1,290 to 1,702
- death rate increased from 1.50% to 1.63%

U.S. deaths each day since March 11 and U.S. cumulative death rate on that day:

? – 3/11 2.89%
2 – 3/12 2.41%
7 – 3/13 2.16%
10 – 3/14 1.93%
12 – 3/15 1.83%
16 – 3/16 1.82%
23 – 3/17 1.70%
42 – 3/18 1.60%
55 – 3/19 1.44%
55 – 3/20 1.32%
76 – 3/21 1.26%
81 – 3/22 1.25%
169 – 3/23 1.26%
204 – 3/24 1.43%
251 – 3/25 1.50%
249 – 3/26 1.50%
412 – 3/27 1.63%

Dr. Birx pointed out today that all the deaths we've seen so far are from infections sustained prior to implementation of the national mitigation guidelines. Mitigation should kick in next week.

On the other hand, Governor Cuomo has now been suggesting for three days that some of the mitigation may have been actually wrong-headed and instead causative of an infectious acceleration – in particular, young people at home from school living in constant contact with vulnerable parents, grandparents and other elderly or sick relatives.

Meanwhile, experts are still all over the map with predictions and models and opinions.

Dr. Fauci said we are in "uncharted waters" in terms of infectious disease control. Is anyone an expert?



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PostPosted: 03/28/20 7:38 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Warnings Ignored: A Timeline of Trump’s COVID-19 Response

During the critical period between the outbreak in China and the landfall of coronavirus in America, Donald Trump was warned about our general vulnerabilities and the specific actions his administration needed to take to avoid the worst. This is the timeline of how he ignored them.

https://thebulwark.com/warnings-ignored-a-timeline-of-trumps-covid-19-response/



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PostPosted: 03/28/20 11:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Update 17: Changes in 24 Hours since Last Update

U.S.:
- confirmed cases increased by 19,914 (19%) from 104,463 to 124,377
- deaths increased by 488 from 1,702 to 2,190
- death rate increased from 1.63% to 1.76%

U.S. deaths each day since March 11 and U.S. cumulative death rate on that day:

? – 3/11 2.89%
2 – 3/12 2.41%
7 – 3/13 2.16%
10 – 3/14 1.93%
12 – 3/15 1.83%
16 – 3/16 1.82%
23 – 3/17 1.70%
42 – 3/18 1.60%
55 – 3/19 1.44%
55 – 3/20 1.32%
76 – 3/21 1.26%
81 – 3/22 1.25%
169 – 3/23 1.26%
204 – 3/24 1.43%
251 – 3/25 1.50%
249 – 3/26 1.50%
412 – 3/27 1.63%
488 – 3/28 1.76%

Los Angeles County:
- 32/1,818 = 1.76%

The U.S. is still 6th in the world in total deaths, but at the current rate it will pass France and Iraq tomorrow or the next day.

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PostPosted: 03/29/20 12:34 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Worldwide Recoveries Estimate by John's Hopkins on 3/28/2020: 140222


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https://twitter.com/i/status/1244119212701990913


Interesting animated graph re worldwide COVID-19 cases



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https://twitter.com/i/status/1244119212701990913
Interesting animated graph re worldwide COVID-19 cases


Fascinating perspective....the H.L. Mencken quote right beneath it is downright prophetic. Shocked



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Howee wrote:
cthskzfn wrote:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1244119212701990913
Interesting animated graph re worldwide COVID-19 cases


Fascinating perspective....the H.L. Mencken quote right beneath it is downright prophetic. Shocked


I liked the tweet that if Trump plays games with relief funds for NY, they should seize his hotels by eminent domain and use them as hospitals.



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Ex-Ref wrote:
Howee wrote:
cthskzfn wrote:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1244119212701990913
Interesting animated graph re worldwide COVID-19 cases


Fascinating perspective....the H.L. Mencken quote right beneath it is downright prophetic. Shocked


I liked the tweet that if Trump plays games with relief funds for NY, they should seize his hotels by eminent domain and use them as hospitals.


They may have to. The news from NY is just grim. I posted an article about the overwhelmed EMS system in the other thread, and here's a tweet from an ER doc in a Brooklyn hospital.

@ShivaniMody
Worked at a community hospital site overnight, single coverage, all but 2 ED nurses called out. Hospital was full, ED overflowing, ambulances lined up to be triaged but no triage RN. I called FDNY to request diversion. I explained there were no more beds, we were short staffed, really sick patients weren’t getting care, that people were going to die, that is felt UNSAFE. “Every single hospital in NYC is facing the same thing right now, we can’t grant permission for diversion. Call back tomorrow.”
Feeling heartbroken that we aren’t better prepared, that our colleagues are getting sick and having to call out, that burn out is real and we have only just begun to fight this battle, that we aren’t doing better for our patients and for our country. And to everyone else, please stay home, help #flattenthecurve , our healthcare system is already failing.


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cthskzfn wrote:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1244119212701990913


Interesting animated graph re worldwide COVID-19 cases

U S A

U S A

U S A

Hell, if we can't have the Olympics....



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Update 18: Changes in 24 Hours since Last Update

U.S.:
- confirmed cases increased by 17,979 (14%) from 124,377 to 142,356
- deaths increased by 303 from 2,190 to 2,493
- death rate decreased from 1.76% to 1.75%

U.S. deaths each day since March 11 and U.S. cumulative death rate on that day:

? – 3/11 2.89%
2 – 3/12 2.41%
7 – 3/13 2.16%
10 – 3/14 1.93%
12 – 3/15 1.83%
16 – 3/16 1.82%
23 – 3/17 1.70%
42 – 3/18 1.60%
55 – 3/19 1.44%
55 – 3/20 1.32%
76 – 3/21 1.26%
81 – 3/22 1.25%
169 – 3/23 1.26%
204 – 3/24 1.43%
251 – 3/25 1.50%
249 – 3/26 1.50%
412 – 3/27 1.63%
488 – 3/28 1.76%
303 – 3/29 1.75%

The most statistically significant thing I heard at today's task force press conference was Drs. Fauci and Birx saying their spread and death projections are close to those just published by the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME).

Assuming continued mitigations, IHME predicts that the U.S. death peak will occur on April 14, that most of the deaths will be tailed off by July 1, and that the total cumulative deaths by August 4 will be in the range of 38,000 to 162,000 with a suggested mid-range of 81,000. The projected peak on April 14 is why the task force mitigation guidelines are being extended to April 30 (at least).

HERE are some IHME projection graphs.

81,000 deaths would require an average of about 635 deaths per day for the next 125 days.

FYI, I've not been reading this thread or the other for the past few days and probably won't anymore. I see and read enough negative, confrontational and politicized stuff in too many other places. I'll continue these midnight calculation posts because it interests me and is something to do.
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PostPosted: 03/30/20 12:32 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I’m reading that 20% of coronavirus-positive patients are healthcare workers. Did IHME factor in deaths due to inadequate numbers of providers and eqipment?


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PostPosted: 03/30/20 12:41 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Drop in confirmed cases is 100% due to greatly reduced testing. More people will be infected as a direct result. Quarantine is NOT the same as physical distancing. I know. I had to do before getting my negative result.

GlennMacGrady wrote:
Update 18: Changes in 24 Hours since Last Update

U.S.:
- confirmed cases increased by 17,979 (14%) from 124,377 to 142,356
- deaths increased by 303 from 2,190 to 2,493
- death rate decreased from 1.76% to 1.75%

U.S. deaths each day since March 11 and U.S. cumulative death rate on that day:

? – 3/11 2.89%
2 – 3/12 2.41%
7 – 3/13 2.16%
10 – 3/14 1.93%
12 – 3/15 1.83%
16 – 3/16 1.82%
23 – 3/17 1.70%
42 – 3/18 1.60%
55 – 3/19 1.44%
55 – 3/20 1.32%
76 – 3/21 1.26%
81 – 3/22 1.25%
169 – 3/23 1.26%
204 – 3/24 1.43%
251 – 3/25 1.50%
249 – 3/26 1.50%
412 – 3/27 1.63%
488 – 3/28 1.76%
303 – 3/29 1.75%

The most statistically significant thing I heard at today's task force press conference was Drs. Fauci and Birx saying their spread and death projections are close to those just published by the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME).

Assuming continued mitigations, IHME predicts that the U.S. death peak will occur on April 14, that most of the deaths will be tailed off by July 1, and that the total cumulative deaths by August 4 will be in the range of 38,000 to 162,000 with a suggested mid-range of 81,000. The projected peak on April 14 is why the task force mitigation guidelines are being extended to April 30 (at least).

HERE are some IHME projection graphs.

81,000 deaths would require an average of about 635 deaths per day for the next 125 days.

FYI, I've not been reading this thread or the other for the past few days and probably won't anymore. I see and read enough negative, confrontational and politicized stuff in too many other places. I'll continue these midnight calculation posts because it interests me and is something to do.



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GlennMacGrady wrote:
Update 18: Changes in 24 Hours since Last Update

U.S.:
- confirmed cases increased by 17,979 (14%) from 124,377 to 142,356
- deaths increased by 303 from 2,190 to 2,493
- death rate decreased from 1.76% to 1.75%

U.S. deaths each day since March 11 and U.S. cumulative death rate on that day:

? – 3/11 2.89%
2 – 3/12 2.41%
7 – 3/13 2.16%
10 – 3/14 1.93%
12 – 3/15 1.83%
16 – 3/16 1.82%
23 – 3/17 1.70%
42 – 3/18 1.60%
55 – 3/19 1.44%
55 – 3/20 1.32%
76 – 3/21 1.26%
81 – 3/22 1.25%
169 – 3/23 1.26%
204 – 3/24 1.43%
251 – 3/25 1.50%
249 – 3/26 1.50%
412 – 3/27 1.63%
488 – 3/28 1.76%
303 – 3/29 1.75%

The most statistically significant thing I heard at today's task force press conference was Drs. Fauci and Birx saying their spread and death projections are close to those just published by the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME).

Assuming continued mitigations, IHME predicts that the U.S. death peak will occur on April 14, that most of the deaths will be tailed off by July 1, and that the total cumulative deaths by August 4 will be in the range of 38,000 to 162,000 with a suggested mid-range of 81,000. The projected peak on April 14 is why the task force mitigation guidelines are being extended to April 30 (at least).

HERE are some IHME projection graphs.

81,000 deaths would require an average of about 635 deaths per day for the next 125 days.

FYI, I've not been reading this thread or the other for the past few days and probably won't anymore. I see and read enough negative, confrontational and politicized stuff in too many other places. I'll continue these midnight calculation posts because it interests me and is something to do.


And you refuse to admit that ALL of your crap is politicized. Reality seems to be politicized since it contradicts your politics. Virtually ALL scientists are saying the exact same thing: that US failure to test early led to an unnecessary number of infection and death. ALL. I guess that is "negative and politicized." Because scientists "must" all be politicized. That is the only explanation for challenging Cheeto. It can't possibly be they're only paying attention to facts.



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So you’re bounced.



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GlennMacGrady wrote:
Update 18: Changes in 24 Hours since Last Update

U.S.:
- confirmed cases increased by 17,979 (14%) from 124,377 to 142,356
- deaths increased by 303 from 2,190 to 2,493
- death rate decreased from 1.76% to 1.75%

U.S. deaths each day since March 11 and U.S. cumulative death rate on that day:

? – 3/11 2.89%
2 – 3/12 2.41%
7 – 3/13 2.16%
10 – 3/14 1.93%
12 – 3/15 1.83%
16 – 3/16 1.82%
23 – 3/17 1.70%
42 – 3/18 1.60%
55 – 3/19 1.44%
55 – 3/20 1.32%
76 – 3/21 1.26%
81 – 3/22 1.25%
169 – 3/23 1.26%
204 – 3/24 1.43%
251 – 3/25 1.50%
249 – 3/26 1.50%
412 – 3/27 1.63%
488 – 3/28 1.76%
303 – 3/29 1.75%

The most statistically significant thing I heard at today's task force press conference was Drs. Fauci and Birx saying their spread and death projections are close to those just published by the University of Washington's Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME).

Assuming continued mitigations, IHME predicts that the U.S. death peak will occur on April 14, that most of the deaths will be tailed off by July 1, and that the total cumulative deaths by August 4 will be in the range of 38,000 to 162,000 with a suggested mid-range of 81,000. The projected peak on April 14 is why the task force mitigation guidelines are being extended to April 30 (at least).

HERE are some IHME projection graphs.

81,000 deaths would require an average of about 635 deaths per day for the next 125 days.

FYI, I've not been reading this thread or the other for the past few days and probably won't anymore. I see and read enough negative, confrontational and politicized stuff in too many other places. I'll continue these midnight calculation posts because it interests me and is something to do.




On the Today Show, Dr. Birx said the best case scenario was 100,000-200,000 dead in the US.

Btw, that estimate is based upon if "we do everything nearly perfectly".



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3,000+ dead now.

Quote:
The U.S. hit another grim milestone in the COVID-19 pandemic Monday, recording its 3,000 death as the nation's most populated cities put out cries for aid and extra hospital beds.

Monday evening's latest numbers - 3,008 deaths and more than 160,000 confirmed infections in the U.S. - come as cities across the nation struggle find adequate health care for patients.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/03/30/coronavirus-deaths-u-s-hit-3-000-amid-acute-hospital-bed-shortages/5092374002/



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Update 19: Changes in 24 Hours since Last Update

U.S.:
- confirmed cases increased by 21,918 (15%) from 142,356 to 164,274
- deaths increased by 547 (22%) from 2,493 to 3,040
- death rate increased from 1.75% to 1.85%

U.S. deaths each day since March 11 and U.S. cumulative death rate on that day:

? – 3/11 2.89%
2 – 3/12 2.41%
7 – 3/13 2.16%
10 – 3/14 1.93%
12 – 3/15 1.83%
16 – 3/16 1.82%
23 – 3/17 1.70%
42 – 3/18 1.60%
55 – 3/19 1.44%
55 – 3/20 1.32%
76 – 3/21 1.26%
81 – 3/22 1.25%
169 – 3/23 1.26%
204 – 3/24 1.43%
251 – 3/25 1.50%
249 – 3/26 1.50%
412 – 3/27 1.63%
488 – 3/28 1.76%
303 – 3/29 1.75%
547 – 3/30 1.85%

The U.S. passed Iran and France today to take fourth place in the world in total deaths. It will pass China tomorrow for third place behind Italy and Spain.
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An article on how U.S. newspapers of the day under-covered the 1918 flu epidemic.


https://newrepublic.com/article/157094/americas-newspapers-covered-pandemic


"In October 1918 alone, 195,000 Americans died from the virus. Yet President Woodrow Wilson, obsessed with a war in Europe that would end on November 11, made no public references to the disease. And states received no assistance from Washington, not even from the Food and Drug Administration."



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Update 20: Changes in 24 Hours since Last Update

U.S.:
- confirmed cases increased by 24,761 (15%) from 164,274 to 189,035
- deaths increased by 860 (28%) from 3,040 to 3,900
- death rate increased from 1.85% to 2.06%

U.S. deaths each day since March 11 and U.S. cumulative death rate on that day:

? – 3/11 2.89%
2 – 3/12 2.41%
7 – 3/13 2.16%
10 – 3/14 1.93%
12 – 3/15 1.83%
16 – 3/16 1.82%
23 – 3/17 1.70%
42 – 3/18 1.60%
55 – 3/19 1.44%
55 – 3/20 1.32%
76 – 3/21 1.26%
81 – 3/22 1.25%
169 – 3/23 1.26%
204 – 3/24 1.43%
251 – 3/25 1.50%
249 – 3/26 1.50%
412 – 3/27 1.63%
488 – 3/28 1.76%
303 – 3/29 1.75%
547 – 3/30 1.85%
860 – 3/31 2.06%

The coronavirus task force press conference lasted more than two hours today. I was shocked that some of the media correspondents didn't seem to understand some of the simple statistical graphs presented.

I was also surprised that Drs. Birx and Fauci didn't present internal projections from CDC and NIH, which have thousands of research scientists, epidemiologists and statisticians. Instead, they plucked their daily deaths bell curve graph directly from the University of Washington IHME model, which I linked yesterday. More puzzling, they didn't use the IHME total deaths projection that follows from that curve, which is 38,000-162,000. Instead, and without explanation, they used a much higher range of projected total deaths – 100,000-240,000 – which is more akin the weeks earlier Imperial College model out of England. I got the cynical feeling that this was shell game – that Fauci and Birx were highballing the projected total deaths for career and political reasons, so that they and the task force can claim a major infectious disease "mitigation" victory if the total death numbers end up being lower than 100,000.

They also pointed out that it was encouraging that 48 states had much lower deaths per capita slopes than New Jersey and especially New York – including Washington, which was fatally infected earlier than New York. They didn't really explain the unique greater NYC death spike other than mentioning it is an international travel hub, and they deflected logical questions asking whether this spike resulted from New York doing too little too late.
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NYC's death rates are higher because their EMS and hospitals are overwhelmed. Birx and Fauci aren't going to admit that. A dozen other large cities are hitting the same point now or within the next 2 weeks.


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New Orleans was already overloaded at least 4 days ago. I read a report from a doctor there saying they had already made changes to the criteria for admitting people to hospital as a result of capacity problems, and were turning away dozens of people daily who they would normally have admitted as inpatients. I guess that's one way to avoid having people laying in the corridors.



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I didn't hear the briefing, but here's a summary by Tom Inglesby, Director of Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security which is more detailed than outlined above.
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With social distancing around the country, models used by WH forecast between 100,000-240,000 deaths. Without it, the WH models forecast between 1.5M-2.2M deaths in the US.

https://twitter.com/T_Inglesby/status/1245190895386988545


In the meantime, it appears China grossly under-reported patient deaths. Instead of the official number of 3310, the real figure appears to be at least 40,000 in Wuhan alone.
https://www.rfa.org/english/news/china/wuhan-deaths-03272020182846.html


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PostPosted: 04/01/20 12:31 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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New Orleans was already overloaded at least 4 days ago. I read a report from a doctor there saying they had already made changes to the criteria for admitting people to hospital as a result of capacity problems, and were turning away dozens of people daily who they would normally have admitted as inpatients. I guess that's one way to avoid having people laying in the corridors.


It's really bad in Detroit too. I saw a list of a dozen of our largest cities whose hospitals are near to imploding.


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