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Coffey’s a better defender than Stricklen, but I don’t think she would’ve been a bad fit on this team offensively. Defensively, would’ve been another story. But I think Stricklen was more so looking to get paid.._________________
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| Posted: 02/24/20 4:10 pm ::: |
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PG: Diggins-Smith/#10 pick
SG: Hartley/Cunningham
SF: Taurasi/Coffey
PF: Breland/ASmith
C: Griner/BTurner/Vaughn
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I think you have it mostly right here, except Griner doesn’t really need multiple backups, and Smith is still kind of an unknown quantity at this level.
Diggins/#10 pick(Dangerfield?)
Hartley/Cunningham
Taurasi/Coffey
Breland/BTurner/ASmith
Griner/Vaughn
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#18, #29, FA (Carson?)
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| Posted: 02/24/20 4:13 pm ::: |
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| I wouldnt be suprised to see Taurasi at the 3 a lot this season and them going with the 'small' guard line-up |
Neither would I. I just don't think it's actually a good idea. I'd rather have re-signed Carson, or even signed someone like Zellous, than given the money to Vaughn so that BTurner and ASmith can be glued to the bench again. |
Yea, really don’t understand the Vaughn signing at all  |
Most teams have at least 5 post players. Vaughn gives us 5. If not, then it is Griner and Breland, 2 2nd year players in Turner and Smith, and who ever we pick up on the draft. As stated, Sandy (actually Phoenix in general before Sandy) prefers veteran players to rookies. That is why this makes sense in, at least, Phoenix philosophy.
I don't know what Vaughn signed at but we still have room for a veteran wing if they come at the lower end of the veteran salary.
Personally, I do not believe Turner and/or Smith will be glued to the bench. I expect Turner to see playing time but at the 4, not the 5. Or in combination of the 4 and 5 depending on how much rest Griner may need.
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| Posted: 02/24/20 5:49 pm ::: |
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| I wouldnt be suprised to see Taurasi at the 3 a lot this season and them going with the 'small' guard line-up |
Neither would I. I just don't think it's actually a good idea. I'd rather have re-signed Carson, or even signed someone like Zellous, than given the money to Vaughn so that BTurner and ASmith can be glued to the bench again. |
Yea, really don’t understand the Vaughn signing at all |
Most teams have at least 5 post players. Vaughn gives us 5. If not, then it is Griner and Breland, 2 2nd year players in Turner and Smith, and who ever we pick up on the draft. As stated, Sandy (actually Phoenix in general before Sandy) prefers veteran players to rookies. That is why this makes sense in, at least, Phoenix philosophy.
I don't know what Vaughn signed at but we still have room for a veteran wing if they come at the lower end of the veteran salary.
Personally, I do not believe Turner and/or Smith will be glued to the bench. I expect Turner to see playing time but at the 4, not the 5. Or in combination of the 4 and 5 depending on how much rest Griner may need. |
I get the need for 5 posts, what I’m not understanding is why it was Vaughn that was signed in particular. Seems like Phoenix wanted to get younger and more athletic, but does Vaughn really check either of those two boxes? Breland was already there, and can fill that veteran role in the post. I was thinking they’d aim at someone a little more athletic. But, I guess as the 5th post option she couldn’t be too bad.
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| Posted: 02/24/20 5:51 pm ::: |
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| Michelle89 wrote: |
| I wouldnt be suprised to see Taurasi at the 3 a lot this season and them going with the 'small' guard line-up |
Neither would I. I just don't think it's actually a good idea. I'd rather have re-signed Carson, or even signed someone like Zellous, than given the money to Vaughn so that BTurner and ASmith can be glued to the bench again. |
Yea, really don’t understand the Vaughn signing at all |
Most teams have at least 5 post players. Vaughn gives us 5. If not, then it is Griner and Breland, 2 2nd year players in Turner and Smith, and who ever we pick up on the draft. As stated, Sandy (actually Phoenix in general before Sandy) prefers veteran players to rookies. That is why this makes sense in, at least, Phoenix philosophy.
I don't know what Vaughn signed at but we still have room for a veteran wing if they come at the lower end of the veteran salary.
Personally, I do not believe Turner and/or Smith will be glued to the bench. I expect Turner to see playing time but at the 4, not the 5. Or in combination of the 4 and 5 depending on how much rest Griner may need. |
I get the need for 5 posts, what I’m not understanding is why it was Vaughn that was signed in particular. Seems like Phoenix wanted to get younger and more athletic, but does Vaughn really check either of those two boxes? Breland was already there, and can fill that veteran role in the post. I was thinking they’d aim at someone a little more athletic. But, I guess as the 5th post option she couldn’t be too bad. |
As long as it's a non-guaranteed contract that she signed, she can at least be cut if she proves to be past the pull date in training camp.
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| Posted: 02/24/20 6:07 pm ::: |
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| I wouldnt be suprised to see Taurasi at the 3 a lot this season and them going with the 'small' guard line-up |
Neither would I. I just don't think it's actually a good idea. I'd rather have re-signed Carson, or even signed someone like Zellous, than given the money to Vaughn so that BTurner and ASmith can be glued to the bench again. |
Yea, really don’t understand the Vaughn signing at all |
Most teams have at least 5 post players. Vaughn gives us 5. If not, then it is Griner and Breland, 2 2nd year players in Turner and Smith, and who ever we pick up on the draft. As stated, Sandy (actually Phoenix in general before Sandy) prefers veteran players to rookies. That is why this makes sense in, at least, Phoenix philosophy.
I don't know what Vaughn signed at but we still have room for a veteran wing if they come at the lower end of the veteran salary.
Personally, I do not believe Turner and/or Smith will be glued to the bench. I expect Turner to see playing time but at the 4, not the 5. Or in combination of the 4 and 5 depending on how much rest Griner may need. |
I get the need for 5 posts, what I’m not understanding is why it was Vaughn that was signed in particular. Seems like Phoenix wanted to get younger and more athletic, but does Vaughn really check either of those two boxes? Breland was already there, and can fill that veteran role in the post. I was thinking they’d aim at someone a little more athletic. But, I guess as the 5th post option she couldn’t be too bad. |
No. It seems more like thanks to some trades we inadvertently got younger and more athletic, with all these whippersnappers who weren't even alive during the 80's suddenly winding up on the roster, so the front office freaked out and hit the panic button to correct things immediately by any means possible. Things are still very precarious when you consider that Y.Turner is out for the season. It's a whole list of players who will be spending the summer making tik tok videos instead of playing bingo and resting their aching bones in ice baths.
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| Posted: 02/24/20 8:31 pm ::: |
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| I wouldnt be suprised to see Taurasi at the 3 a lot this season and them going with the 'small' guard line-up |
Neither would I. I just don't think it's actually a good idea. I'd rather have re-signed Carson, or even signed someone like Zellous, than given the money to Vaughn so that BTurner and ASmith can be glued to the bench again. |
Yea, really don’t understand the Vaughn signing at all |
Most teams have at least 5 post players. Vaughn gives us 5. If not, then it is Griner and Breland, 2 2nd year players in Turner and Smith, and who ever we pick up on the draft. As stated, Sandy (actually Phoenix in general before Sandy) prefers veteran players to rookies. That is why this makes sense in, at least, Phoenix philosophy.
I don't know what Vaughn signed at but we still have room for a veteran wing if they come at the lower end of the veteran salary.
Personally, I do not believe Turner and/or Smith will be glued to the bench. I expect Turner to see playing time but at the 4, not the 5. Or in combination of the 4 and 5 depending on how much rest Griner may need. |
I get the need for 5 posts, what I’m not understanding is why it was Vaughn that was signed in particular. Seems like Phoenix wanted to get younger and more athletic, but does Vaughn really check either of those two boxes? Breland was already there, and can fill that veteran role in the post. I was thinking they’d aim at someone a little more athletic. But, I guess as the 5th post option she couldn’t be too bad. |
No. It seems more like thanks to some trades we inadvertently got younger and more athletic, with all these whippersnappers who weren't even alive during the 80's suddenly winding up on the roster, so the front office freaked out and hit the panic button to correct things immediately by any means possible. Things are still very precarious when you consider that Y.Turner is out for the season. It's a whole list of players who will be spending the summer making tik tok videos instead of playing bingo and resting their aching bones in ice baths. |
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| Posted: 02/25/20 6:00 pm ::: Re: Diana Taurasi is not done yet |
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I think I need to rehab my envisioning abilities because they're really letting me down on this one.
If DT truly is healthy again then that's great news though. One thing I can envision this year is her shooting better than 1/24 from the perimeter.
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Phoenix Mercury GM believes Diana Taurasi will play beyond 2020
https://amp.azcentral.com/amp/4864529002
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| Taurasi is optimistic about her health after playing in just six games last season due to back and hamstring issues. Pitman agrees, saying 37-year-old Taurasi looks to be in "as good if not better shape" than in 2018 when she was All-WNBA first team. |
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Phoenix Mercury GM believes Diana Taurasi will play beyond 2020
https://amp.azcentral.com/amp/4864529002
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| Taurasi is optimistic about her health after playing in just six games last season due to back and hamstring issues. Pitman agrees, saying 37-year-old Taurasi looks to be in "as good if not better shape" than in 2018 when she was All-WNBA first team. |
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Is this "good if not better shape" inclusive of her poor play against college teams, or did her supposed turn around come after those games?
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| Posted: 02/26/20 8:26 pm ::: |
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Phoenix Mercury GM believes Diana Taurasi will play beyond 2020
https://amp.azcentral.com/amp/4864529002
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| Taurasi is optimistic about her health after playing in just six games last season due to back and hamstring issues. Pitman agrees, saying 37-year-old Taurasi looks to be in "as good if not better shape" than in 2018 when she was All-WNBA first team. |
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Is this "good if not better shape" inclusive of her poor play against college teams, or did her supposed turn around come after those games? |
She was doing something different after the college games.
We'll just have to wait and see.
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| Posted: 02/26/20 10:39 pm ::: |
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Phoenix Mercury GM believes Diana Taurasi will play beyond 2020
https://amp.azcentral.com/amp/4864529002
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| Taurasi is optimistic about her health after playing in just six games last season due to back and hamstring issues. Pitman agrees, saying 37-year-old Taurasi looks to be in "as good if not better shape" than in 2018 when she was All-WNBA first team. |
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Taurasi for Paris 2024. I'm starting the campaign now. Has a player ever won gold at 6 consecutive olympic games? That would really be something.
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Why stop at 2024? let her play in 28, 32, 36, 40, 44, 48, 52,54,56,and 2062, I mean has anyone ever won 17 straight Golds at the age of 80+. wouldn't that be something?
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| Posted: 02/27/20 1:16 pm ::: |
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Phoenix Mercury GM believes Diana Taurasi will play beyond 2020
https://amp.azcentral.com/amp/4864529002
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| Taurasi is optimistic about her health after playing in just six games last season due to back and hamstring issues. Pitman agrees, saying 37-year-old Taurasi looks to be in "as good if not better shape" than in 2018 when she was All-WNBA first team. |
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Taurasi for Paris 2024. I'm starting the campaign now. Has a player ever won gold at 6 consecutive olympic games? That would really be something.
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Why stop at 2024? let her play in 28, 32, 36, 40, 44, 48, 52,54,56,and 2062, I mean has anyone ever won 17 straight Golds at the age of 80+. wouldn't that be something? |
Great dream/fantasy but the reality of age has a way of messing up stuff like that.
Oh well, dare to dream DT, dare to dream. |
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| Taurasi for Paris 2024. I'm starting the campaign now. |
STAHPPPP!! |
Does your plan call for tanking in 2023?
Also - what do people think of having T.Young on the team to back up the 3? Could we afford her and/or would she be worth it?
If we signed her, it would most likely mean that we can't use/keep the #10 pick. What are the odds of getting someone who can help at the 3 in the draft? |
I'm gonna write more about this stuff (for every team) in a piece at HerHoopStats that'll probably come out next week, but the short answer is yes you can afford TYoung, if she's willing to play for what's left. Then, assuming you keep all the vets, the #10 would have to beat out someone among the Coffey/Cunningham/ASmith/BTurner group to make the roster.
At the minute it looks like they're expecting the #10 to be the final addition for opening day to the 10 currently on the roster, but that could obviously change. It's not like Cunningham or even Smith made themselves look uncuttable last season. |
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| Taurasi for Paris 2024. I'm starting the campaign now. |
STAHPPPP!! |
Does your plan call for tanking in 2023?
Also - what do people think of having T.Young on the team to back up the 3? Could we afford her and/or would she be worth it?
If we signed her, it would most likely mean that we can't use/keep the #10 pick. What are the odds of getting someone who can help at the 3 in the draft? |
The way I see it, Taurasi is starting at the SF and Coffey is backing her up.
My view is they didn’t pay Hartley $185K to be a backup.
I’m assuming YTurner will be suspended so she won’t count against roster spots or salary cap. This is the WNBA so we’re often left to assume things.
Vaughn’s salary is unreported as far as I know.
$1,090,500 + Vaughn’s salary is the salary I have for ten players.
#10 pick salary would be $62,500
#18 pick salary would be $59,750
The minimum cost for a vet like TYoung or Carson (player familiar with PHX) would be $68,000.
$1,090,500 Cost for 9 players with salaries reported
$...130,500 Cost for vet min + #10 pick
$1,221,000 Cost for 11 players
$79,000 maximum salary of Vaughn going with 12 players under this scenario
$1,090,500 Cost for 9 players with salaries reported
$...122,250 Cost for #10 pick + #18 pick
$1,212,750 Cost for 11 players
$87,250 maximum salary of Vaughn going with 12 players under this scenario
If they decide to go with 11 man roster, then they could afford to pay Vaughn near the mid-$100,000’s.
As it is now, the only scenario where the #10 pick would have to “fight for a spot” would be if YTurner counts against the salary cap or they decide to go with a 11 man roster.
To me, a PG at #10 is looking ideal.
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Alanna Smith on her Korean experience and playing future
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Phoenix Mercury GM believes Diana Taurasi will play beyond 2020
https://amp.azcentral.com/amp/4864529002
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| Taurasi is optimistic about her health after playing in just six games last season due to back and hamstring issues. Pitman agrees, saying 37-year-old Taurasi looks to be in "as good if not better shape" than in 2018 when she was All-WNBA first team. |
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Why stop at 2024? let her play in 28, 32, 36, 40, 44, 48, 52,54,56,and 2062, I mean has anyone ever won 17 straight Golds at the age of 80+. wouldn't that be something? |
Great dream/fantasy but the reality of age has a way of messing up stuff like that.
Oh well, dare to dream DT, dare to dream. |
I guess you are not that familiar with some of my other posts. My post was pure sarcasm. I think both DT and Bird should not be locks just because of their reputations and as of now really have not shown that they are good enough for the National team. Especially DT, who has really shown her age on the defensive end. I think on defense is where age is first noticed.
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