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Richyyy



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PostPosted: 09/25/19 9:27 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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I found a stat sheet for the game. McBride shot 20% on both 2 and 3 point shots. Total of 8 points, 3 for 3 on Free Throws. She needs to go.

I don't think the priority for a team that desperately needs to space the floor around their star bigs is going to be getting rid of their one consistently elite outside shooter.



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PostPosted: 09/26/19 9:04 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Richyyy wrote:
Angus24 wrote:
I found a stat sheet for the game. McBride shot 20% on both 2 and 3 point shots. Total of 8 points, 3 for 3 on Free Throws. She needs to go.

I don't think the priority for a team that desperately needs to space the floor around their star bigs is going to be getting rid of their one consistently elite outside shooter.


Oddly, Basketball Reference credits McBride with a huge jump in defensive efficiency this year -- and you don't think of her for defense.

She's a very good shooter, and her PER this past season was 16.7 (15.0 is supposedly average). She had a PER of 18.9 in 2018 in her age 26 season, so there's reason to believe that she's peaked. Still, if the defensive improvement is real, she's a valuable piece for any franchise -- a first-division starter, if you will.



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PostPosted: 09/26/19 11:35 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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She had a PER of 18.9 in 2018 in her age 26 season, so there's reason to believe that she's peaked.

Or that Liz Cambage joined her team and cut her usage rate by 20%.

Obviously you'd love it if she was slightly more consistent in producing absolutely every night, game in and game out, but the players that do that are on a very very short list. She's basically the kind of player you want surrounding the likes of Wilson and Cambage. She's a constant threat to score if you leave her open, she's effective without needing the ball in her hands, and she'll work hard. If they did want to trade her there'd be a hell of a lot of interest.

You'll note her name never came up in all the hundreds of Cambage trade scenarios - because there was no way that Vegas were going to include her.



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PostPosted: 09/26/19 3:32 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

McBride shot 42.5% on both FG and 3 Pts for the season which is very good but if the other team concentrates on shutting her down then game over for the Aces. I would argue that that is easier to do for her because of her rather unusual shooting stroke. If they leave her open then its bombs away and she will put up a lot of points.


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PostPosted: 09/28/19 3:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

The Aces have a front court as good as any in the league but few games are won on just front point scoring alone. Where are the Aces going to get it if the other team shuts down McBride?


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PostPosted: 09/28/19 3:57 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Angus24 wrote:
The Aces have a front court as good as any in the league but few games are won on just front point scoring alone. Where are the Aces going to get it if the other team shuts down McBride?


Who can the Aces realistically acquire that’s better than McBride?



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PostPosted: 09/28/19 4:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Angus24 wrote:
The Aces have a front court as good as any in the league but few games are won on just front point scoring alone. Where are the Aces going to get it if the other team shuts down McBride?


The Aces used McBride at the three almost all of the season. She's part of their front court scoring.



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PostPosted: 09/29/19 12:27 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Just ran into VJ in Miami and I must say she was so delightful and pleasant! Vegas you guys have a keeper !! Cool Very Happy Very Happy



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PostPosted: 01/14/20 11:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

MGM appear to have just sold the Aces' home venue. No idea what this means for the team, if anything: https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/mandalay-bay-mgm-grand-sold-to-blackstone-in-4-6b-deal-1935198/



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PostPosted: 01/15/20 7:34 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Looks like sale-and-lease-back of minority interest; MGM will still operate and control. I.e., financial engineering; would not expect it to impact team.


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PostPosted: 01/21/20 12:45 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Some Interviews and Photos Galleries From A'ja, Jackie and Liz's recent trips to Las Vegas, and a Carolyn Swords interview from last week on the CBA.

Liz on Channel 3 (January 19, 2020)

A’ja on Channel 3 (January 12, 2020)

Carolyn Swords on Yahoo! News, January, 17, 2020

A'ja Wilson Lace Up Mentorship Surprise at Arbor View High School, Fox 5 Coverage, January 14, 2020

A'ja Wilson Lace Up Mentorship Program Surprise at Arbor View High School Photo Gallery, January 14, 2020

A'ja Wilson Lace Up Mentorship Program Surprise at Liberty High School Photo Gallery, January 15, 2020

A'ja Wilson Lace Up Mentorship Program Surprise at Sandy Valley High School Photo Gallery, January 16, 2020

Jackie Young Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Day Parade Photo Gallery, January. 20, 2020

Liz and A'ja on The Chet Buchanan Show (fast forward to the 1:00.50 mark), January 15, 2020


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PostPosted: 02/10/20 1:10 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

https://aces.wnba.com/news/aces-dive-head-first-into-the-free-agency-pool-signing-five-time-wnba-all-star-and-two-time-olympic-gold-medalist-angel-mccoughtry/

Exciting! Will have to make a trip to Vegas this summer to catch a game.
Interested to see how she meshes with the squad.


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PostPosted: 02/10/20 1:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

ESPN noted that the Aces now have four #1 picks on the roster.
‪McCoughtry #1 2009‬
‪Plum #1 2017‬
‪Wilson #1 2018‬
‪Young #1 2019‬

‪Cambage #2 2011 (would have been #1 in most drafts except the Maya Moore one)‬



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PostPosted: 02/10/20 4:18 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Plum/Colson/Allen
McBride/Rodgers or Prince
McCoughtry/J. Young
Wilson/Hamby/Park
Cambage/Swords

Even if Cambage doesn't show or shows late I think

Plum, McBride, McCoughtry, Hamby, Wilson
Colson, Allen, Price or Rodgers, J. Young, Parks, Swords and ?

can still get you pretty far


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PostPosted: 02/10/20 4:23 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Shades wrote:
ESPN noted that the Aces now have four #1 picks on the roster.
‪McCoughtry #1 2009‬
‪Plum #1 2017‬
‪Wilson #1 2018‬
‪Young #1 2019‬

‪Cambage #2 2011 (would have been #1 in most drafts except the Maya Moore one)‬


Does any Eastern conference team even have a single #1 Pick currently on its roster?? Shocked


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PostPosted: 02/10/20 4:25 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Stormeo wrote:
Shades wrote:
ESPN noted that the Aces now have four #1 picks on the roster.
‪McCoughtry #1 2009‬
‪Plum #1 2017‬
‪Wilson #1 2018‬
‪Young #1 2019‬

‪Cambage #2 2011 (would have been #1 in most drafts except the Maya Moore one)‬


Does any Eastern conference team even have a single #1 Pick currently on its roster?? Shocked


NY if cored players count


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Stormeo wrote:
Shades wrote:
ESPN noted that the Aces now have four #1 picks on the roster.
‪McCoughtry #1 2009‬
‪Plum #1 2017‬
‪Wilson #1 2018‬
‪Young #1 2019‬

‪Cambage #2 2011 (would have been #1 in most drafts except the Maya Moore one)‬


Does any Eastern conference team even have a single #1 Pick currently on its roster?? Shocked


New York has one



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PostPosted: 02/10/20 4:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

There was never a doubt in my mind where she was going. She brings experience and talent (although now somewhat waned) but also, unfortunately she's a definite cancer who can destroy any team with or without a "no bullshit coach."

I wish Laimbeer the best of luck, because there's really no strong personality on the team to help control her when she's on the floor or otherwise.

For me personally, as a previous season ticket holder in San Antonio, I wish she would have gone elsewhere.

Evil or Very Mad


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PostPosted: 02/10/20 5:15 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Looking forward to seeing McCoughtry's Ice Cream at the MGM! Razz Mr. Green




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PostPosted: 02/10/20 5:19 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

How did I forget about Tina Charles. Embarassed So now Vegas has 4, LA 3, Seattle 3, Phoenix 2, Minnesota sorta 2. New York has the 1 in the East. Ya sure don’t ever see #1 Picks that start out in the West going East...


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PostPosted: 02/10/20 5:33 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

RavenDog wrote:
There was never a doubt in my mind where she was going. She brings experience and talent (although now somewhat waned) but also, unfortunately she's a definite cancer who can destroy any team with or without a "no bullshit coach."

I wish Laimbeer the best of luck, because there's really no strong personality on the team to help control her when she's on the floor or otherwise.

For me personally, as a previous season ticket holder in San Antonio, I wish she would have gone elsewhere.

Evil or Very Mad


I think you may be surprised.

Angel wants to win and she has shown the ability to play a role when necessary (see coming of the bench for the Olympics). I may be wrong but LV probably gets someone closer to Olympic angel.

She is equally apt to pass or shoot and - where it can go south is if she feels or needs to be in constant super woman mode game in and out...shouldnt be an issue in Las Vegas and if it is there are bigger issues.

She is great with fans and especially kids - Angel likes to be liked. She will love all of the marketing support and will be good for the team on that front.

As long as Las Vegas is winning I imagine things will be all good.

Where it could get interesting is if they somehow don't.



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PostPosted: 02/10/20 5:35 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

RavenDog wrote:
There was never a doubt in my mind where she was going. She brings experience and talent (although now somewhat waned) but also, unfortunately she's a definite cancer who can destroy any team with or without a "no bullshit coach."


I'm curious what team(s) you think she's "destroyed"



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PostPosted: 02/10/20 5:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

pilight wrote:
RavenDog wrote:
There was never a doubt in my mind where she was going. She brings experience and talent (although now somewhat waned) but also, unfortunately she's a definite cancer who can destroy any team with or without a "no bullshit coach."


I'm curious what team(s) you think she's "destroyed"


Do you want her back?


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PostPosted: 02/10/20 5:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

RavenDog wrote:
pilight wrote:
RavenDog wrote:
There was never a doubt in my mind where she was going. She brings experience and talent (although now somewhat waned) but also, unfortunately she's a definite cancer who can destroy any team with or without a "no bullshit coach."


I'm curious what team(s) you think she's "destroyed"


Do you want her back?


If she genuinely wanted to be in Atlanta with the current organization and team - absolutely.

I think there was too much real or perceived water under the bridge over the past decade... plus the championship clock ticking in her head... Especially after the injury. Angel has really been durable so that knee roll up might have driven home a different sense of urgency or reality.



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PostPosted: 02/10/20 6:08 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

RavenDog wrote:
pilight wrote:
RavenDog wrote:
There was never a doubt in my mind where she was going. She brings experience and talent (although now somewhat waned) but also, unfortunately she's a definite cancer who can destroy any team with or without a "no bullshit coach."


I'm curious what team(s) you think she's "destroyed"


Do you want her back?


I would love to have her back. The only thing she did to destroy the team was make us win enough that we couldn't get help for her in the draft.



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