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PostPosted: 01/29/20 5:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Zags hosting would be cool. Spokane is apeshit over basketball.



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PostPosted: 01/29/20 6:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

NoDakSt wrote:
Regarding the Quse, and Barts comments about Qs knowledge of X and Os, I wonder how much not having Tammi and Adeniyi on staff is contributing to that.


Well-I don't think much. That's the way they've always been, but Tiana masked it for the past two seasons.


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PostPosted: 01/29/20 7:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

NoDakSt wrote:
Zags hosting would be cool. Spokane is apeshit over basketball.


If they win out in their conference and tournament, they will absolutely be hosting!

Would be cool if Iowa City and Tucson host, too. Those fan bases are really behind their teams (of course not mentioning Oregon, OSU, Miss State, SC, Louisville, etc...)


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PostPosted: 01/30/20 2:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

here's hoping UConn stays in Fort Wayne despite the upcoming losses to Ducks and Cocks!

don't feel like getting whipped in Baylor's, Oregon's, or South Carolina's backyard in front of a full house. Very Happy



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PostPosted: 01/30/20 2:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

cthskzfn wrote:
here's hoping UConn stays in Fort Wayne despite the upcoming losses to Ducsk and Cocks!

don't feel like getting whipped in Baylor's, Oregon's, or South Carolina's backyard in front of a full house. Very Happy
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I think after last year's complaints , if the chance presents itself to send UCONN anywhere outside the northeast it will be done.



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PostPosted: 01/30/20 2:49 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

WNBA 09 wrote:
I think after last year's complaints , if the chance presents itself to send UCONN anywhere outside the northeast it will be done.


UConn is going to be sent anywhere outside the northeast this year because this is a rare year in which there is no region in the northeast. Razz


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PostPosted: 01/30/20 3:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

SpaceJunkie wrote:
WNBA 09 wrote:
I think after last year's complaints , if the chance presents itself to send UCONN anywhere outside the northeast it will be done.


UConn is going to be sent anywhere outside the northeast this year because this is a rare year in which there is no region in the northeast. Razz


Laughing That IS the case, indeed.

As mentioned, gimme FW please. (Although, if it were Greensville, I could probably go and be a drop of National Flag Blue in a sea of garnet and black.)



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PostPosted: 02/03/20 8:42 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Updated again today:
http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/bracketology

I don't see the BE getting 4 teams in as he has projected right now.


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PostPosted: 02/17/20 6:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

A question:

We hear almost every year that the committee is bound by their Policies and Procedures. Over the years those have been revised several times. Who has the final say on the Policies and Prodedures? What is the process in revising them? I'm sure that there are recommendations from individual schools and conferences but at some point there must be a body or an individual who has the final say.
Who is it or who are they?

As Boss Tweed once commented: "I don't care who wins the election as long as I can control who gets nominated".


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PostPosted: 02/17/20 7:02 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

linkster wrote:
A question:

We hear almost every year that the committee is bound by their Policies and Procedures. Over the years those have been revised several times. Who has the final say on the Policies and Prodedures? What is the process in revising them? I'm sure that there are recommendations from individual schools and conferences but at some point there must be a body or an individual who has the final say.
Who is it or who are they?

As Boss Tweed once commented: "I don't care who wins the election as long as I can control who gets nominated".


The Division 1 Women's Basketball Committee meets in June and discusses policies for the next season. That is generally when changes to the selection and bracket policies are determined


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PostPosted: 02/18/20 7:58 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Updated again today:

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basketball/bracketology

#1 seeds are South Carolina, Baylor, Maryland and Oregon

Marquette moves down from a 9 to 11 seed despite winning 2 games, moving solidly into 2nd place in the Big East and I think their RPI improved a bit. But then again I'd prefer an 11 seed for MU to the 8/9 seed. And I still can't get over the fact that there's even a projection with MU in the field at this point in the season - I was hoping for a .500 overall record with all they graduated and certainly didn't expect their 4th straight 20 win season which they reached with Sunday's win over Butler.


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PostPosted: 02/18/20 9:14 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

> Who has the final say on the Policies and Prodedures? What is the process in revising them?

Does it really matter? Don't the list of considerations have enough loopholes that they can do whatever they want in claim they complied with their policies and procedures?

The claim they start with RPI, and then have some of the metrics which might move someone up or down. If that's really the case, one would expect that if the RPI indicated they should be, say, a 3 seed, they might end up a three, or maybe get moved up to a 2, or may be down to a 4, but it would be extremely unusual to have more movement than that.

Missouri State is currently #4 in RPI. No I didn't say a four seed, I said number four overall, so their starting position ought to be one of the top four seeds. Creme has them as a five seed which is a long way away. He doesn't say there's a procedural bump moving them from a one to a five, and I don't believe he's commented on it.

My conclusion is that the claim they start with RPI is a crock, or at best, it means the other considerations are so significant that the RPI ends up being meaningless.


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PostPosted: 02/18/20 9:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Marquette Fan wrote:
Updated again today:



Marquette moves down from a 9 to 11 seed despite winning 2 games, moving solidly into 2nd place in the Big East and I think their RPI improved a bit. But then again I'd prefer an 11 seed for MU to the 8/9 seed. And I still can't get over the fact that there's even a projection with MU in the field at this point in the season - I was hoping for a .500 overall record with all they graduated and certainly didn't expect their 4th straight 20 win season which they reached with Sunday's win over Butler.


I think Marquette deserves an 8 but I understand why that might be less desirable than 11


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PostPosted: 02/18/20 9:40 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Phil wrote:
Marquette Fan wrote:
Updated again today:



Marquette moves down from a 9 to 11 seed despite winning 2 games, moving solidly into 2nd place in the Big East and I think their RPI improved a bit. But then again I'd prefer an 11 seed for MU to the 8/9 seed. And I still can't get over the fact that there's even a projection with MU in the field at this point in the season - I was hoping for a .500 overall record with all they graduated and certainly didn't expect their 4th straight 20 win season which they reached with Sunday's win over Butler.


I think Marquette deserves an 8 but I understand why that might be less desirable than 11


Marquette only has 3 regular season games left and I have a feeling they'll lose two of them - at Villanova and vs. DePaul. So they'd probably move down a bit with that. They absolutely have to win at Georgetown on Sunday as right now they don't have any good wins but at least they can say they don't have any bad losses either. And a loss to Georgetown would definitely be a bad loss. A loss to Villanova wouldn't be the greatest thing but a lot more respectable than losing to Georgetown.

I really shouldn't complain about any seed they get this season as it's so unexpected. I literally came into the season hoping they could finish with at least a .500 record so they could be WNIT eligible. And I think this is the first time they've ever had four straight 20 or more win seasons in program history.


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PostPosted: 02/18/20 10:43 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Phil wrote:
My conclusion is that the claim they start with RPI is a crock, or at best, it means the other considerations are so significant that the RPI ends up being meaningless.


The committee uses RPI in a peculiar way. They use it as a measure of how good your wins or how bad your losses are, not as a measure of how good you are. In the weird reasoning of the committee, it's better to beat the #4 team than to be the #4 team. Oregon State and Gonzaga derive more benefit from Missouri State's absurd RPI than the Bears do themselves.



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PostPosted: 02/19/20 7:48 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Pilight is 100% correct about the RPI. This year will be interesting to see how the Committee uses the quadrant system. This is a seemingly small change, particularly since the quadrants are not adjusted for home court. But from a pure optics standpoint quadrant 1 now combines games against the top 25 with games against 26-50.

(A) There are currently 60 teams that have 2 wins or more over quadrant 1. (B)There are only 15 teams that have not lost to a team outside of quadrant 1. (C) 35 teams have more quadrant 1 wins than non-quadrant 1 losses and (D) another 8 that have the same number.

Those teams are:

South Carolina (11 Q1 wins, 0 nonQ1 losses)
Maryland (10-0)
Oregon (9-0)
Baylor (8-0)
UCLA (8-1)
Iowa (8-3)
Louisville (7-1)
Northwestern (7-0)
North Carolina St (6-2)
TCU (5-1)
Arizona (5-0)
Florida St (5-3)
LSU (5-4)
Oklahoma (5-5)
Oregon St (4-1)
Missouri St (4-1)
Connecticut (4-0)
Mississippi St (4-1)
Texas A&M (4-0)
Indiana (4-0)
DePaul (4-0)
Kentucky (4-1)
Purdue (4-1)
Michigan (4-2)
Texas (4-3)
Syracuse (4-5)
Gonzaga 3-1)
Central Michigan (3-3)
Ohio St (3-1)
Arizona St (3-1)
Duke (3-3)
South Dakota (3-0)
Iowa St (3-2)
West Virginia (3-3)
Virginia (3-5)
St John's (3-5)
Minnesota (3-4)
Nebraska (3-2)
Michigan St (3-3)
Butler (3-4)
Princeton (2-0)
Old Dominion (2-2)
Florida Gulf Coast (2-0)
Virginia Tech (2-2)
Drake (2-1)
Creighton (2-4)
Rutgers (2-3)
Penn (2-2)
Seton Hall (2-4)
Northern Iowa (2-3)
Georgia Tech (2-3)
USC (2-4)
Southern Illinois (2-6)
Georgia (2-5)
North Carolina (2-4)
Auburn (2-7)
Wake Forest (2-9)
Buffalo (2-7)
Texas Tech (2-3)
St Mary's (2-11)


With this analysis there are a few teams that stand out. Tennessee has only 1 quadrant 50 win but no losses against non top 50. Other teams with no such losses but 3 or fewer quadrant 1 wins are South Dakota (3), Princeton (2), Florida Gulf Coast (2) and Stony Brook (0).

Oklahoma has 5 quadrant 1 wins but they are currently under .500. If Oklahoma could win 4 of its last 5 (which would include wins against 2 more top 50 teams) they would have to be seriously considered.

There are several teams with only 1 quadrant 1 win but are still being considered for an at-large berth: Arkansas (1 Q1 win, 2 nonQ1 losses), Marquette (1-2), Oklahoma St (1-2), Bradley (1-2), James Madison (1-2), Western Kentucky (1-3), Middle Tennessee (1-3) and Ohio (1-3). Finally there are 2 teams in the RPI top 50 who do not have a Quadrant 1 win, Troy and Dayton.

(note: these numbers are from Warren Nolan. I noted that in one case a win over Virginia (RPI 51) was included as Q1, but I believe the information is generally accurate.


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PostPosted: 02/19/20 8:00 pm    ::: Hmmm Reply Reply with quote

calbearman76 wrote:
Pilight is 100% correct about the RPI. This year will be interesting to see how the Committee uses the quadrant system. This is a seemingly small change, particularly since the quadrants are not adjusted for home court. But from a pure optics standpoint quadrant 1 now combines games against the top 25 with games against 26-50.

(A) There are currently 60 teams that have 2 wins or more over quadrant 1. (B)There are only 15 teams that have not lost to a team outside of quadrant 1. (C) 35 teams have more quadrant 1 wins than non-quadrant 1 losses and (D) another 8 that have the same number.

Those teams are:

South Carolina (11 Q1 wins, 0 nonQ1 losses)
Maryland (10-0)
Oregon (9-0)
Baylor (8-0)
UCLA (8-1)
Iowa (8-3)
Louisville (7-1)
Northwestern (7-0)
North Carolina St (6-2)
TCU (5-1)
Arizona (5-0)
Florida St (5-3)
LSU (5-4)
Oklahoma (5-5)
Oregon St (4-1)
Missouri St (4-1)
Connecticut (4-0)
Mississippi St (4-1)
Texas A&M (4-0)
Indiana (4-0)
DePaul (4-0)
Kentucky (4-1)
Purdue (4-1)
Michigan (4-2)
Texas (4-3)
Syracuse (4-5)
Gonzaga 3-1)
Central Michigan (3-3)
Ohio St (3-1)
Arizona St (3-1)
Duke (3-3)
South Dakota (3-0)
Iowa St (3-2)
West Virginia (3-3)
Virginia (3-5)
St John's (3-5)
Minnesota (3-4)
Nebraska (3-2)
Michigan St (3-3)
Butler (3-4)
Princeton (2-0)
Old Dominion (2-2)
Florida Gulf Coast (2-0)
Virginia Tech (2-2)
Drake (2-1)
Creighton (2-4)
Rutgers (2-3)
Penn (2-2)
Seton Hall (2-4)
Northern Iowa (2-3)
Georgia Tech (2-3)
USC (2-4)
Southern Illinois (2-6)
Georgia (2-5)
North Carolina (2-4)
Auburn (2-7)
Wake Forest (2-9)
Buffalo (2-7)
Texas Tech (2-3)
St Mary's (2-11)


With this analysis there are a few teams that stand out. Tennessee has only 1 quadrant 50 win but no losses against non top 50. Other teams with no such losses but 3 or fewer quadrant 1 wins are South Dakota (3), Princeton (2), Florida Gulf Coast (2) and Stony Brook (0).

Oklahoma has 5 quadrant 1 wins but they are currently under .500. If Oklahoma could win 4 of its last 5 (which would include wins against 2 more top 50 teams) they would have to be seriously considered.

There are several teams with only 1 quadrant 1 win but are still being considered for an at-large berth: Arkansas (1 Q1 win, 2 nonQ1 losses), Marquette (1-2), Oklahoma St (1-2), Bradley (1-2), James Madison (1-2), Western Kentucky (1-3), Middle Tennessee (1-3) and Ohio (1-3). Finally there are 2 teams in the RPI top 50 who do not have a Quadrant 1 win, Troy and Dayton.

(note: these numbers are from Warren Nolan. I noted that in one case a win over Virginia (RPI 51) was included as Q1, but I believe the information is generally accurate.


I know you are a Cal fan, but seems extreme to leave out somebody... Laughing


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PostPosted: 02/19/20 9:05 pm    ::: Re: Hmmm Reply Reply with quote

insidewinder wrote:

I know you are a Cal fan, but seems extreme to leave out somebody... :lol:


No Cal only has 1 Quadrant 1 win.

Seriously that was just an inadvertent mistake (and probably not the only one given the amount of data.)Thanks for catching it.

Stanford has 4 Quadrant 1 wins, impressively all over top 25 teams, and has no losses against non Quadrant 1 teams. Their losses include two top 10 teams and Texas.


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