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Stormeo



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PostPosted: 12/29/19 12:48 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Why Oregon STATE (not UConn, amongst others) should currently be ranked No. 1.

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Who should be No. 1? ... Which teams did you overestimate and underestimate entering the season? ... Has the first half of the season changed whether you think the women's game should adopt the international 3-point line? ... Which remaining game are you most looking forward to? ... Which conference is better from top to bottom: Pac-12 or SEC?


Interesting mini-roundtable from EspnW - the conversations were very Pac-12 dominated. The Pac is objectively the best conference this year imo (one of those teams really ought to win the title this year), and the int'l 3-point line needs to get adopted if for no other reason that the two 3-point lines look really stupid on the court this year. Mad


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PostPosted: 01/15/20 2:00 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Around the Pac-12: ASU upsets the Oregons, UCLA still undefeated
Ben Dull (High Post Hoops)
https://highposthoops.com/2020/01/15/pac-12-womens-basketball-asu-upset-oregon-state/

REALLY great work from Ben Dull, who supplements the statistical summaries with how things took place (references to back screens for layups, jumpers off of the pick and pop, etc.).


myrtle



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PostPosted: 01/15/20 2:21 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
Around the Pac-12: ASU upsets the Oregons, UCLA still undefeated
Ben Dull (High Post Hoops)
https://highposthoops.com/2020/01/15/pac-12-womens-basketball-asu-upset-oregon-state/

REALLY great work from Ben Dull, who supplements the statistical summaries with how things took place (references to back screens for layups, jumpers off of the pick and pop, etc.).


great article if you want details - not just who made points and rebounds!



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PostPosted: 01/15/20 10:51 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

CamrnCrz1974 wrote:
Around the Pac-12: ASU upsets the Oregons, UCLA still undefeated
Ben Dull (High Post Hoops)
https://highposthoops.com/2020/01/15/pac-12-womens-basketball-asu-upset-oregon-state/

REALLY great work from Ben Dull, who supplements the statistical summaries with how things took place (references to back screens for layups, jumpers off of the pick and pop, etc.).


Yes, very nice technical writing and videos. I assume he records the game TV, but wonder what he uses to edit down those clips.
Stormeo



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PostPosted: 01/16/20 7:04 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Just saw that Kelsey Plum will be doing color commentary on the Pac-12 Network broadcast of both the UW-Arizona game and the UW-Arizona State game this weekend! Also Monique Billings will be doing the same when USC hosts WSU on Jan. 24 (not sure if she'll be doing any UCLA games).

https://pac-12.com/article/2020/01/14/fresh-faces-and-returning-favorites-highlight-pac-12-networks-basketball-talent


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PostPosted: 02/03/20 1:08 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

We're past the halfway point of the conference season now. Here's a look at the standings:

T-1. Oregon (9-1)
T-1. Stanford (9-1)
3. UCLA (8-2)
4. Arizona (7-3)
T-5. Arizona State (6-4)
T-5. Oregon State (6-4)
T-7. Colorado (3-7)
T-7. USC (3-7)
T-7. Washington State (3-7)
T-7. Utah (3-7)
11. Washington (2-8 )
12. California (1-9)

Any thoughts? The order of 3-6 is a bit of a surprise. UCLA is about to get into the meat of their schedule, but still, the LA schools somehow only have to face the Oregon schools + Stanford once apiece this year. They could stay in 3rd depending on how they perform in their upcoming stretch of tough games. Elsewhere, it's possible now that Oregon State finishes outside the Top 4, seeing as their schedule has been virtually the opposite of UCLA's in how daunting it is overall. They really don't get another breather until the final weekend of the conference season with home games against the Washington schools. I'm guessing Oregon State still earns a coveted Top-16 Tourney seed, but that's no guarantee anymore.

Looking at the bottom half of the conference (it's been a neatly divided split this year), I did think Cal would be doing better seeing as they beat Arkansas at home and lost a close one to Kentucky in the non-conference. Although, no one expected them to do much winning this year anyway. In any case, I don't think they'll finish in last place - no, I think the clear-cut Least Talented Team in the Conference aka my Washington Huskies will take that mantle. (As always, there's a lot to say about them, but I'll hold back my thoughts until the conclusion of their season - y'all can PM me if ya really want my two-cents on that. Funny how I never had half as much to say about them when they were winning Rolling Eyes )


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PostPosted: 02/03/20 11:41 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Stormeo, I think you are being a little too harsh on your Huskies. I will be surprised if Washington doesn't win at least 1 game this week against the mountain schools, and they could get a sweep. They also still play USC at home, although the Trojans may finally have started to play up to their talent.

Cal finally played a decent game in conference, thanks in large part to CJ West in the post. She was out for awhile and I wonder why Charmin Smith went so far into the season with Chen Yue in the post. While I hope that Cal can get at least 1 more win in the conference, I think 3 wins is the absolute best they can do.


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PostPosted: 02/03/20 12:24 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

I think OrSU is better than that record. And I think ASU is erratic. So the weekend they played the Oregon schools, they had clearly eaten their wheaties, but this weekend against UCLA they must have been eating cake and do-nuts.

But you're right. UCLA has the best schedule by far of the top teams. The Oregon schools' schedules are the things made of nightmares. OrSU needs to beat at least one of the Arizona's at home and I think realistically probably both of them to get a host bid since they then have to play away at UCLA and away at Stanford. yikes. It will somewhat depend on how the committee views losses to top teams. It's tough when so many are in your own conference. I think they are actually a better team than ASU and UCLA but it's unclear where they finish.

What is clear is that there is a very clearcut division between the top six and the bottom six and it would not be good for any of the top teams to let down their guards enough to lose to one of the bottom six. And I wouldn't be surprised to see one of those upsets happen. When the shots don't fall from the outside and your posts act like slugs in any particular game, anybody can lose to anybody.

It should be an exciting last month of the season in the Pac.



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PostPosted: 02/03/20 1:20 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

calbearman76 wrote:
Stormeo, I think you are being a little too harsh on your Huskies. I will be surprised if Washington doesn't win at least 1 game this week against the mountain schools, and they could get a sweep. They also still play USC at home, although the Trojans may finally have started to play up to their talent.


Well, you're welcome to point out a lesser-talented conference team than the Huskies. Laughing WSU will probably be that team next year with who they're graduating. But forgive me for my perpetual gloom-and-doom tone. Another long losing streak in the third/umpteenth year of a rebuild will do that to ya. The real problem that's trending is, each year Jody Wynn’s been here, this team has collectively found a way to be particularly disappointing as they've lost. Year 1 was the actuality of how much we had fallen. Year 2 they had a decent non-conference that showed signs of improvement, but they couldn't beat a single healthy conference opponent until they played out of their minds for that one game against Oregon State in a one-point win - and again, sniper-shooter Aleah Goodman was 0-9 from 3 that day. And this year, they've lost as expected but it's been while infected with Blowing-Large-Leads Disease (symptoms include constant choking). It's all in the way they've lost; this year's team has been inescapably incompetent whenever they’ve had a big lead going into the 2nd half. In 4 of their 11 losses, they had a double-digit halftime lead. In 3 other losses, they either were tied or had a single-digit halftime lead. 0-4 overall in OT games, as the rare momentum they garnered in the 2nd half of yesterday's game still found a way to flatline in OT. To be fair, there are more close/winnable games this year than the past two years combined - which should count for something - and I don't find that the in-game coaching is necessarily a big problem. But ultimately they have no idea how to close out games and win. What's worse is, the bigger problems therein lie in the future: our best player is set to graduate after this year, none of the players from the incoming recruiting class are rated particularly high, and most importantly, no other non-senior looks to be even semi-capable of being a go-to player. As it is, statistically speaking, none of the current upperclassmen have improved throughout these three years. Each of those 5 players' statistical "best" year has been either their first or second year at UW - aka not this year!! A lack of talent imo plays a big role in inconsistency in general, and that's of course still a glaring recruiting issue; but at the same time, it appears that the coaching staff can't develop anyone worth sh!t Mad. Not a recipe for success no matter how close ya get to the wins. Like I said in my last rant earlier in this thread, it just hasn't looked like it'll get better with this version of the program, hence my hopelessness. Sorry that I ended up ranting after all (yet, there's still more I could say). Long story short, that’s why I won’t be surprised if/when the Huskies lose at home to the Mountain schools this weekend. Razz

And funny enough, I personally think Cal is already ahead in their rebuild considering the recruiting they've done - including poaching not one, but two Seattle-area players for next season (you can bet that I had a very strong reaction to hearing about that, as well as a USC team in a similar spot as UW getting another of our local prospects). Cal will be very young next year, but so was Oregon when Ionescu & Co. were freshmen that led Oregon to the Elite 8. All I'm saying is, with talent to work with (especially in the post), and if the coaching is plus, Cal could surprise a lot of people.


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