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justintyme
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Posted: 09/10/19 11:08 pm ::: Offical 2019 WNBA Awards |
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COY: James Wade
DPotY: Natasha Howard
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snlMINAJ
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Posted: 09/11/19 8:21 am ::: |
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if they announced this and natasha howard as DPOY you know that means collier did not get ROY... otherwise she would be given the award tonight.
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Randy
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Posted: 09/11/19 8:40 am ::: Re: Offical 2019 WNBA Awards |
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COY: James Wade
DPotY: Natasha Howard |
Howard is a perfect example of how difficult talent evaluation is. She mainly sat on the bench for 4 years on 2 teams with some of the best coaches in the WNBA and was traded away by both of those teams for little in return.* She goes to a 3rd team (with a much less respected coach) and becomes an All WNBA player. She suddenly also develops a 3 point shot which she had little history of in prior years. Shows that sometimes coaches can't even spot talent on their own bench.
*While it is fun to ridicule the trade to Seattle it was a calculated risk to get a lottery that didn't work, not just a give away like the trade to MN from IN.
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justintyme
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Posted: 09/11/19 8:57 am ::: |
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if they announced this and natasha howard as DPOY you know that means collier did not get ROY... otherwise she would be given the award tonight. |
Doubt it. They usually give out the award in front of home crowds when possible. That isn't possible for the Lynx or the Wings, so ROY can be awarded whenever. But what they don't want to do is tread on someone else's day. This would be Howard's moment in front of her fans. If another teammate won something, then sure, but not an opponent.
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Posted: 09/11/19 9:07 am ::: |
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https://www.wnba.com/news/seattles-natasha-howard-named-2019-wnba-defensive-player-of-the-year/
2019 WNBA DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR VOTING RESULTS
Player, Team, Votes
Natasha Howard (Seattle Storm): 33
Nneka Ogwumike (Los Angeles Sparks): 3
Sylvia Fowles (Minnesota Lynx): 2
Jonquel Jones (Connecticut Sun): 2
Alysha Clark (Seattle Storm): 1
Brittney Griner (Phoenix Mercury): 1
Elizabeth Williams (Atlanta Dream): 1
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Richyyy
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Posted: 09/11/19 9:11 am ::: Re: Offical 2019 WNBA Awards |
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Randy wrote: |
justintyme wrote: |
COY: James Wade
DPotY: Natasha Howard |
Howard is a perfect example of how difficult talent evaluation is. She mainly sat on the bench for 4 years on 2 teams with some of the best coaches in the WNBA and was traded away by both of those teams for little in return.* She goes to a 3rd team (with a much less respected coach) and becomes an All WNBA player. She suddenly also develops a 3 point shot which she had little history of in prior years. Shows that sometimes coaches can't even spot talent on their own bench. |
To a certain extent, sure. But this is a player who averaged 17mpg as a rookie on a team that made the Conference Finals. And who showed enough in her two Minnesota seasons that several of us said, repeatedly, that if the Lynx didn't pay her when she came off her rookie scale deal then someone else definitely would. This isn't, say, Evelyn Akhator becoming an all-star. I don't think anyone really expected her to become a genuine MVP candidate, but a very good player was definitely in there somewhere during her Fever/Lynx years. |
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Posted: 09/11/19 9:16 am ::: |
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All Defensive teams
1st team
Natasha Howard
Jonquel Jones
Nneka Ogwumike
Jordin Canada
Jasmine Thomas
2nd Team
Brittney Griner
Alyssa Thomas
Alysha Clark
Ariel Atkins
Natasha Cloud
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justintyme
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Posted: 09/11/19 9:37 am ::: |
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Disappointed that Collier didn't get the recognition she deserved for what she did this year defensively, but really can't argue too much with the list they came up with.
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Posted: 09/11/19 9:41 am ::: |
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Disappointed that Collier didn't get the recognition she deserved for what she did this year defensively, but really can't argue too much with the list they came up with. |
It's odd that the two best teams in DER (Las Vegas and Minnesota) were both shut out.
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Posted: 09/11/19 9:45 am ::: |
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Canada over Atkins is pretty bad imo
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Posted: 09/11/19 9:51 am ::: |
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Canada over Atkins is pretty bad imo |
Leading the league in steals usually gets extra acclaim.
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justintyme
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Posted: 09/11/19 9:55 am ::: |
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Aladyyn wrote: |
Canada over Atkins is pretty bad imo |
Leading the league in steals usually gets extra acclaim. |
Especially since coaches vote for this. Coaches notice steals as they lead to easy transition points...
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Posted: 09/11/19 10:25 am ::: |
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snlMINAJ wrote: |
if they announced this and natasha howard as DPOY you know that means collier did not get ROY... otherwise she would be given the award tonight. |
Doubt it. They usually give out the award in front of home crowds when possible. That isn't possible for the Lynx or the Wings, so ROY can be awarded whenever. But what they don't want to do is tread on someone else's day. This would be Howard's moment in front of her fans. If another teammate won something, then sure, but not an opponent. |
absolutely correct, i totally forgot that aspect of it (home vs/ away) thanks!
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Posted: 09/11/19 12:47 pm ::: |
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There’s still a possibility of the Lynx getting a home game if they make it to the semifinals 5-game series.
Ideally, both PHX and MIN meet in the Finals. The odds of that happening are astronomical but still there.
MIN over SEA
PHX over CHI
MIN over LVA
PHX over LAS
MIN over CON
PHX over WAS
PHX vs MIN for the Finals
I’m rooting for PHX in the first couple of rounds because avoiding WAS would be a sweet route for MIN to the Finals.
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justintyme
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Shades wrote: |
There’s still a possibility of the Lynx getting a home game if they make it to the semifinals 5-game series.
Ideally, both PHX and MIN meet in the Finals. The odds of that happening are astronomical but still there.
MIN over SEA
PHX over CHI
MIN over LVA
PHX over LAS
MIN over CON
PHX over WAS
PHX vs MIN for the Finals
I’m rooting for PHX in the first couple of rounds because avoiding WAS would be a sweet route for MIN to the Finals. |
Ahh yeah, you are correct of course. I guess I kind of ruled that long shot possibility out in my mind.
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Posted: 09/11/19 1:38 pm ::: Re: Offical 2019 WNBA Awards |
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COY: James Wade |
Wonder how Mother Jones is doing._________________
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Or maybe said poster should quit being a nuisance when people don’t agree? |
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Posted: 09/11/19 1:52 pm ::: Re: Offical 2019 WNBA Awards |
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mavcarter wrote: |
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COY: James Wade |
Wonder how Mother Jones is doing. |
Maybe we can just call her MoJo......
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toad455
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Posted: 09/13/19 5:33 am ::: |
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Hamby has won 6th woman.
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SpaceJunkie
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Posted: 09/13/19 9:51 am ::: |
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Hamby has won 6th woman. |
Where did you see that? Even if it's obvious she's going to win, I haven't seen any announcement anywhere yet.
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mavcarter #NATC
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Posted: 09/13/19 10:47 am ::: |
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I think toad is referring to AP, not officially._________________
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Posted: 09/13/19 8:01 pm ::: Re: Offical 2019 WNBA Awards |
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Richyyy wrote: |
Randy wrote: |
justintyme wrote: |
COY: James Wade
DPotY: Natasha Howard |
Howard is a perfect example of how difficult talent evaluation is. She mainly sat on the bench for 4 years on 2 teams with some of the best coaches in the WNBA and was traded away by both of those teams for little in return.* She goes to a 3rd team (with a much less respected coach) and becomes an All WNBA player. She suddenly also develops a 3 point shot which she had little history of in prior years. Shows that sometimes coaches can't even spot talent on their own bench. |
To a certain extent, sure. But this is a player who averaged 17mpg as a rookie on a team that made the Conference Finals. And who showed enough in her two Minnesota seasons that several of us said, repeatedly, that if the Lynx didn't pay her when she came off her rookie scale deal then someone else definitely would. This isn't, say, Evelyn Akhator becoming an all-star. I don't think anyone really expected her to become a genuine MVP candidate, but a very good player was definitely in there somewhere during her Fever/Lynx years. |
As far as I am concerned she should have received the MP award!!
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