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Who should win Rookie of the Year? |
Napheesa Collier |
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54% |
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Asia Durr |
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0% |
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Arike Ogunbowale |
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38% |
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Jackie Young |
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3% |
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someone else |
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3% |
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Michelle89
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Posted: 08/19/19 4:43 pm ::: |
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I really like Collier. She is going to be a very good player but IMO Arike is the reason why Dallas is not in last place. Despite all the defensive attention that she is getting she is still winning ballgames for them.
Next season with a healthy diggins her FG will be a lot better
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GlennMacGrady
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Posted: 08/19/19 5:05 pm ::: |
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RAOY.
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Silky Johnson
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Posted: 08/19/19 5:05 pm ::: |
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"The reason why Dallas is not in last place." Backhand full of knuckles on that compliment.
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Posted: 08/19/19 10:27 pm ::: |
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mavcarter wrote: |
Ogunbowale is the second leading scorer in terms of PPG post All-Star and just won POW.
Is this still a discussion? |
Not really more of a petition imo.
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justintyme
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Posted: 08/20/19 11:15 am ::: |
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Michelle89 wrote: |
I really like Collier. She is going to be a very good player but IMO Arike is the reason why Dallas is not in last place. Despite all the defensive attention that she is getting she is still winning ballgames for them.
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I see this argument all the time. But I think it ignores just how significant Collier is to the Lynx.
The Lynx win games when they can grind them out. They are not an "out shoot your opponent" team. They require solid, smart defenders. And Collier takes the top defensive assignments constantly (EDD, Howard, Charles, etc).
And the proof is out there as to just how important she is to the team. Go to the stats page and check out the on/off splits for Collier. The team's NetRTG is a team high +16.9 (holy shit!) points higher when she is on the floor versus when she is on the bench.
The Wings' NetRTG, for comparison sake, is actually 6.0 points higher when Arike is on the bench.
So, sure, Arike is helping her team not be in last place, but so is Collier. Without Collier, the Lynx are a sure fire lottery team, perhaps even bottom two. She is that important to their team this year.
Hot take: Collier is more important to the Lynx this year, and is carrying the team more (just in different ways) than Maya Moore was to the Lynx her rookie season.
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Silky Johnson
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Posted: 08/20/19 11:34 am ::: |
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I don't even think the take is that hot: Maya Moore is lowkey overrated.
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Richyyy
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Posted: 08/20/19 11:41 am ::: |
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It's more that the Lynx in Maya's rookie season had Augustus, Whalen and Brunson in their primes alongside her. Next to Collier, this year's Lynx has a somnambulant Fowles, a gunning Sims and meh. |
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Silky Johnson
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Posted: 08/20/19 11:57 am ::: |
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Richyyy wrote: |
It's more that the Lynx in Maya's rookie season had Augustus, Whalen and Brunson in their primes alongside her. |
Both of those things can be true. IMO, they both are.
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NYSports56
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NYSports56
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Posted: 08/20/19 10:11 pm ::: |
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Richyyy wrote: |
It's at the very least become a more reasonable debate. Ogunbowale has improved month-on-month in virtually every meaningful statistical category. The shooting percentage is still poor, but the volume of threes and free throws mitigates it to some extent. She also seems to be gaining the 'narrative' lead with her improvement and people talking about her, while Collier has mostly faded into the background.
At this point I'm expecting both to get a bunch of votes, and voting for either seems within the bounds of being reasonable. There'll probably be a rogue vote or two for McCowan as well, but she hasn't played the minutes to really get involved. |
I agree with everything you say here from start to finish.
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pilight
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Posted: 08/20/19 10:14 pm ::: |
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justintyme wrote: |
The who will win debate boxes us in too much into traditional and outdated stats for my tastes so I don't find it as interesting, YMMV, obviously. |
This is exactly why the Monday Polls are always who should win.
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pilight
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justintyme
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Posted: 08/21/19 9:26 am ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
https://www.sbnation.com/wnba/2019/8/20/20812361/wnba-rookie-of-the-year-arike-napheesa-ogunbowale-collier-stats
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There’s still three weeks left for things to change, but this year’s Rookie of the Year vote appears to be clear-cut. A vote for Collier is a vote for the better player. A vote for Ogunbowale is a vote for the flashier one. The 2019 WNBA ROY debate is the apex of hoops fan arguments. |
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That's a pretty good way to sum up where we are sitting right now, imo.
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Posted: 08/21/19 9:41 am ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
https://www.sbnation.com/wnba/2019/8/20/20812361/wnba-rookie-of-the-year-arike-napheesa-ogunbowale-collier-stats
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There’s still three weeks left for things to change, but this year’s Rookie of the Year vote appears to be clear-cut. A vote for Collier is a vote for the better player. A vote for Ogunbowale is a vote for the flashier one. The 2019 WNBA ROY debate is the apex of hoops fan arguments. |
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Pretty biased article
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5thmantheme
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Posted: 08/21/19 3:24 pm ::: |
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pilight wrote: |
sbnation.com/wnba/
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A vote for Collier is a vote for the better player.
A vote for Ogunbowale is a vote for the flashier one. |
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A vote for McCowan is a vote for already (!!) one of the best rebounders in the history of the WNBA.
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Fighting Artichoke
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