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PostPosted: 07/12/19 2:36 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Are people here really arguing that Kamala Harris didn’t face systemic discrimination? Is that actually what is going on here?


No.

We've had discussions about whether Harris accurately described the state of integration in the Berkeley school system as of 1969 when she was actually talking about busing. We've had discussion about the meaning of "segregation", without focusing on de facto vs. de jure segregation, and the meaning of "redlining". We've discussed some of her family background and history. I don't believe anyone has made claims about whether, or how much, discrimination Harris may have faced in her private or public life.

We can perhaps somewhat intelligently speculate about whether systemic discrimination has adversely affected Harris's educational and professional careers by researching some readily available public things we do know about those two careers.

All the time Harris was in Berkeley elementary schools, which I think was from kindergarten to about sixth grade, she attended the fully integrated (via busing) Thousand Oaks Elementary School. After that, she moved to Montreal, Canada, where her mother was a professor and university researcher, and attended school there until she graduated from high school. Who knows whether her Canadian schools were integrated or how much, if any, discrimination she faced.

She then attended the virtually all black Howard University, where I doubt she encountered systemic discrimination. An interesting question is why she didn't attend a more prestigious university, especially at a time (the 80's), after the Supreme Court's 1978 Bakke decision, when even Ivy League schools were falling all over themselves with affirmative action programs to enroll women and minorities. We could speculate that she didn't have good enough grades/SAT, or that she wanted to go to a segregated HBCU, or that she got her best scholarship offer there -- but I really have no idea.

Harris then entered Hastings Law School (US News rank #62), which is right in downtown San Francisco, one of the most progressive places in the U.S. She graduated in 1989, and became a prosecutor in Oakland and then in the San Francisco district attorney's office.

In the early to mid-90's, Harris became the steady girlfriend of the powerful chairman of the California Assembly, Willie Brown, a black man who later became the mayor of San Francisco from 1996 to 2004. Harris was 29 when this relationship started and Brown was 60 and married. Brown was the most powerful black politician in California and certainly one of the most powerful of all politicians in California for decades. Therefore, the charge that Harris slept her way to the top is not quite accurate; she slept at the top from the very beginning of her professional career.

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Among the issues that followed Harris from her time with Brown was the allegation of cronyism in his appointment of her to two well-paying posts.

"Yes, I may have influenced her career by appointing her to two state commissions when I was Assembly speaker," Brown wrote Saturday. Brown was the speaker from 1980 to 1995, prior to his stint as San Francisco mayor.

Brown appointed Harris to the California Unemployment Insurance Appeals Board and then to the Medical Assistance Commission – positions that paid her more than $400,000 over five years, according to SF Weekly. Brown also gave Harris a BMW.

"And I certainly helped with her first race for district attorney in San Francisco," he said in his Chronicle letter Saturday.


Harris collected these monies from her state commission cronyism appointments while still serving as an assistant district attorney in San Francisco at a salary of over $100,000 per year.

Starting at less than 6% in the polls, but with Willie Brown's mayoral support and "ruthless" campaign tactics (see the last linked article), Harris won the race for San Francisco district attorney in a landslide in 2004, winning among women, minorities and all the progressive whites in San Francisco.

Harris went on to win races for Attorney General of California in 2010 and U.S. Senator in 2016, again winning these voting groups in the highly progressive state of California.

So, did any systemic discrimination significantly harm the career of Kamala Harris? Your interpretation is as valid as mine. Personally, I feel that Harris's exotic multi-racial background, female gender and good looks have been political assets to her, much like Obama. And that's why I named her as one of the top three Democrat contenders since the beginning of this thread. That, and her continued ruthlessness as a Senate committee member and now as a debater.
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CNN to host climate crisis town hall with 2020 Democratic candidates
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The event will take place on Wednesday, September 4, in New York City. CNN is inviting candidates who meet the Democratic National Committee's polling threshold for the September primary debate to participate, meaning they've reached at least 2% in four approved polls by August 28.
Eight candidates so far have met the polling threshold: former Vice President Joe Biden, New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker, South Bend, Indiana, Mayor Pete Buttigieg, California Sen. Kamala Harris, Minnesota Sen. Amy Klobuchar, former Rep. Beto O'Rourke, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren.



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PostPosted: 07/30/19 8:52 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Marianne Williamson is crushing this debate



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PostPosted: 07/30/19 9:01 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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Marianne Williamson is crushing this debate


She's getting some applause lines, but so is everyone who spouts some pie-in-the-sky free stuff or utopian idea. The guy from Ohio makes some practical sense to me, but no one in this debate yet (half way) is standing out, programmatically or charismatically, in my opinion.
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GlennMacGrady wrote:
pilight wrote:
Marianne Williamson is crushing this debate


She's getting some applause lines, but so is everyone who spouts some pie-in-the-sky free stuff or utopian idea. The guy from Ohio makes some practical sense to me, but no one in this debate yet (half way) is standing out, programmatically or charismatically, in my opinion.


In terms of charisma, this was definitely the undercard debate. Tomorrow will be another round of Biden bashing.



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PostPosted: 07/31/19 7:33 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Analysis: Winners and losers from Night 1 of the second Democratic debate

Winners

Elizabeth Warren: Neither of the two leading candidates in Tuesday’s version of this week’s debate — Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) — ran into too many problems. But on balance, Warren seemed to be better at enunciating her liberal policy proposals and parrying attacks from those challenging her. She is also more ascendant in the polls than Sanders, which means a debate that more or less adheres to the status quo suits her.

John Delaney: The former Maryland congressman has been a bit player in the 2020 race, and that was definitely the case in the first debate. At the start of Tuesday’s debate, though, Sanders was asked about Delaney’s criticisms of his health-care proposal. They went back and forth before anyone else got a chance to weigh in. At another point, Delaney earned a rebuke from Warren, too, with the senator from Massachusetts decrying Democrats like Delaney who are running “just to talk about what we can’t do and shouldn’t fight for.” It was a big applause line. But Delaney got a chance to make his case, over and over, serving as the main foil to Sanders and especially Warren. That’s about the best he could have hoped for. Whether liberal primary voters are buying what he’s selling? That’s another issue.

Pete Buttigieg: For the second straight debate, the South Bend, Ind., mayor may not have been a standout, but he again showed himself to be a skilled debater, navigating the divide between the more moderate candidates and the liberals. He’s shown a deft touch at appealing to both wings of the party. He hasn’t built much after an early plateau, but thanks to steady debating and strong fundraising, he’ll continue to be a player.

Marianne Williamson: Williamson was widely savaged for her at times bizarre performance in the first debate. But on Tuesday night, she had some of the biggest applause lines of the entire debate, including perhaps the biggest one, on reparations. When asked about the water crisis in Flint, Mich. — just up the road from Detroit — she said, “What happened in Flint would not have happened in Grosse Pointe.” (Williamson has lived in Grosse Pointe, Mich., which is far less diverse than Flint.)

Losers

Medicare-for-all: Single-payer health care has been on the march in the Democratic Party. But on Tuesday night, it got some pushback — a lot of pushback — from Democratic presidential candidates. The first 25 minutes of the debate was devoted to the topic, and the also-rans of the Democratic contest used it to argue that the likes of Sanders and Warren were promoting pie in the sky. In fact, those two were generally outnumbered.

Delaney said moving Americans from private to government insurance would be telling them “their health care is illegal.” Montana Gov. Steve Bullock called it “wish-list economics” and said Democrats were promoting the type of “repeal and replace” strategy Republicans have. Former Texas congressman Beto O’Rourke said it would be “taking away people’s choice.” Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) said the plan would tell union members who have negotiated their private insurance that they “will lose their health care because Washington is going to come in and has a better plan.”

Sanders and Warren pushed back and got applause. If the crowd mirrors the electorate, they will be just fine — but it won’t exactly. The question is whether this presages a reexamination of this issue or whether this was just a fluke thanks to some of the most moderate candidates being put on a stage with Sanders and Warren.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-winners-and-losers-from-night-1-of-the-second-democratic-debate/ar-AAF6IOy?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout



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PostPosted: 07/31/19 7:41 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Winners and losers from the first night of the CNN debate

WINNERS

*Bernie Sanders: The Vermont senator clearly got the message that he wasn't lively or active enough in the first debate of the cycle. He came out feisty -- and stayed that way. Asked about former Maryland Rep. John Delaney's criticism of his health care plan, Sanders responded bluntly, "You're wrong." Questioned about his single-payer "Medicare for All" plan, Sanders snapped, "I wrote the damn bill." Sure, Sanders probably came across to some people as irascible and scoldy. But for liberals looking for Sanders to stand up proudly and unapologetically for the need for huge structural change in our politics and our culture got exactly what they wanted. And not for nothing, Sanders clearly outshone Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren in this debate.

* Elizabeth Warren: Her retort to Delaney was the line of the night -- and encapsulates for a lot of Democrats why it's so important to nominate someone who is willing to take on big fights, unapologetically. And her answer on electability -- that no one thought Donald Trump could win -- was pitch-perfect.

*Donald Trump: An extended conversation about eliminating all private insurance. A top-tier candidate -- Warren -- fully embracing decriminalizing illegal immigration. All of that is music to the President's ears. Remember that his poll numbers -- job approval that has never broken 50%, etc. -- suggest that there is no positive message that wins Trump a second term. Which means he needs as much fodder as possible to cast Democrats as deeply out of touch and representative of a creeping socialism. He got plenty on Tuesday night.

* Pete Buttigieg: As in the first debate, the South Bend, Indiana mayor played it (relatively) safe. But unlike the first debate, there was a clear message: I am young, yes, but the older people on stage with me haven't fixed any of these problems, so it's time for something different. I think it's smart for Buttigieg to a) own his age (he's 37) and b) try to turn it from a perceived weakness into a strength. The idea that politics (and politicians in both parties) have failed and it's time to give a whole new generation of politicians a chance has always been a powerful one -- especially in a time where people on all sides of the political spectrum hate politics. That said, there were moments in this debate where Buttigieg leaned too far into his own mystique; "The racial divide lives within me," he said at one point. Dude, what?

LOSERS

*Elizabeth Warren: Yes, she made both lists. She had moments, without question (See: Winners). But Sanders seemed to better and more strongly articulate the liberal positions that define both of their campaigns, repeatedly. And Warren's high-profile embrace of decriminalizing illegal immigration will add fuel to the fire for the already existing concerns among some Democrats that she is taking positions that could make her unelectable in a general election.

*Beto O'Rourke: The former Texas congressman needed a good debate. A much better one than he had last month. While he was mildly more energetic than in the first debate -- his answer on Trump's weaponizing of race was O'Rourke's best moment in either debate -- there were large swaths of the debate where he simply disappeared from the conversation. And too many times when he did have a chance to speak, he sounded too rehearsed and wooden, a problem that plagued him in the first debate. O'Rourke has already qualified for the third and fourth debates this fall, so he won't be going anywhere anytime soon. But if this was seen by his campaign as a chance to change the downward narrative (and spiral) surrounding his bid, I don't think they got it.

*Amy Klobuchar: Ask yourself this: If you watched, what do you remember about the Minnesota senator's debate performance? Maybe it's her emphasis in her opening statement on her unblemished record of victory in campaigns? Maybe? That's a problem for Klobuchar, who seems to be treading water in search of a moment or a surge. She didn't get one tonight. And candidly, she didn't really come close.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/30/politics/who-won-democratic-debate/index.html



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PostPosted: 07/31/19 10:13 am    ::: Reply Reply with quote

Instant poll % results:

Drudge: Williamson (47), Delaney (13), Warren (8), Sanders (7), Buttigieg (6)

Wash Examiner: Sanders (41), Williamson (22), Warren (12), Buttigieg (11), Delaney (6)

Heavy.com: Sanders (40), Williamson (20), Warren (13), Buttigieg (13), Delaney (5)

NJ.com: Sanders (51), Warren (13), Buttigieg (13), Williamson (11), Delaney (5)

All four polls had the same five candidates in their top 5. Sanders won three polls by big margins and Williamson won Drudge by a big margin.
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What kind of person considers a Drudge poll worthwhile?



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PostPosted: 07/31/19 6:46 pm    ::: Reply Reply with quote

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What kind of person considers a Drudge poll worthwhile?


A Trump supporter.

Media obviously building tonight up as Kamala vs. Joe...(Kamala already out strategized him with her health care plan earlier in the week)..and it's likely Kamala will have a good showing again. She's a prosecutor..

I'm personally looking for Booker and/or Castro to officially enter the race tonight. (well, to matter in the race..)

As of right now, there's no reason to have more than Warner, Sanders, Buttigieg, Harris, and Biden in this race..but I'd like to see Castro and Booker make a run at it for September.



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As of right now, there's no reason to have more than Warner*, Sanders, Buttigieg, Harris, and Biden in this race..but I'd like to see Castro and Booker make a run at it for September.


I LOVE Pete. But honestly, I just don't see him getting much further, and I can't exactly put my finger on *why*. I'd also love to see Booker and Castro rise. But mostly, I just want Aug of 2020 to get here Razz

*I take it you mean Warren. Wink



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I LOVE Mayor Pete as well, but he's not appealing to the senior voters or the minority voters. A HUGE lose for him. But the final 5(??) should be Harris, Warren, Mayor Pete, Biden & Booker. Sanders needs to go away. I don't understand why he thinks he can win when he couldn't beat Clinton the first time around.



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Harris is getting hammered tonight. Biden is also struggling.



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They all have to try go after Biden because he's the dominant front runner according to lots of polls.

When Harris doesn't have a nifty, planned sound bite, she's sounding pretty dull and befuddled on policy and her history as a prosecutor.

I like a lot of things Gabbard says, also Bennett. They don't sound like utopian left wing loons.
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mercfan3 wrote:
As of right now, there's no reason to have more than Warner*, Sanders, Buttigieg, Harris, and Biden in this race..but I'd like to see Castro and Booker make a run at it for September.


I LOVE Pete. But honestly, I just don't see him getting much further, and I can't exactly put my finger on *why*. I'd also love to see Booker and Castro rise. But mostly, I just want Aug of 2020 to get here Razz

*I take it you mean Warren. Wink


Haha I did. Believe it or not, it’s an auto correct issue for me. Laughing

Booker was the clear winner tonight.

Harris and Biden has to play defense a lot. Harris did a great job, but was unable to go on the attack a lot. Biden..not as much.

Harris has an incredible record as an AG. She does need to respond better to the twitter bot lies next time.



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Gabbard, Biden and Yang running away early with the four insta polls I'm following. That seems rational to me, as those three relied less on anti-Trump, ad hominem and utopian rhetoric and more on tempered, rational policy argument.
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Sanders needs to go away. I don't understand why he thinks he can win when he couldn't beat Clinton the first time around.

His primary contest with Hillary was *rigged*....ask Donald, cuz HE rigged it, knowing he'd never beat Bernie.

Frankly, I also LOVE Bernie. I can't think of one other candidate out there that has the combo of that Homespun Grampa thing going on, along with his well-thought ideas and plans. He doesn't waver or flip-flop, and I can't ever imagine anyone finding *dirt* on him.



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Anyone catch Michael Moore on MSNBC just now?

A nice debunk of the "middle america white guy vote the Dems need to win the WH" myth.



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Howee wrote:
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Sanders needs to go away. I don't understand why he thinks he can win when he couldn't beat Clinton the first time around.

His primary contest with Hillary was *rigged*....ask Donald, cuz HE rigged it, knowing he'd never beat Bernie.

Frankly, I also LOVE Bernie. I can't think of one other candidate out there that has the combo of that Homespun Grampa thing going on, along with his well-thought ideas and plans. He doesn't waver or flip-flop, and I can't ever imagine anyone finding *dirt* on him.


What Bernie are you talking about?



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Anyone catch Michael Moore on MSNBC just now?

A nice debunk of the "middle america white guy vote the Dems need to win the WH" myth.


save us some time, baby....link?



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